Tarkowski

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:09 pm

What do you think guys? Instant recall against Liverpool or will Dyche punish him with a spell on the bench for his stupidity against Brighton

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:15 pm

3 excellent performances from 4 for Long has been a massive bonus but Tarks is the man.

I hope SD now realises he has the opportunity, if needed, to go 3 at the back.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:19 pm

He'll start our best 11.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:20 pm

Not so sure PB Dyche is a stubborn man I think Long will start against Liverpool!

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:29 pm

Firminho
Coutinho
Salah
Mane

4 reasons there that Tarks will be starting

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:30 pm

How’s his hand coming along post minor surgery?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:57 pm

Tark's will be sub on New Year's Day, I think Dyche will be loyal to Long

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:20 pm

Dyche has shown himself to be very loyal to players who get into the 11, until a rick or some such to let the 'usual' choice back in.

Look at the likes of Bardsley, he is keeping Matty Lowton out - and Lowton did nothing wrong to deserve dropping before his injury. Bardsley has simply performed very well, and it would be harsh to drop him.

I would not be surprised to see Long start, but if I had to make the decision, I would be dropping Tarky back in for sure - he is vital to this team though we have done well in his absence.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:22 pm

Steve1956 wrote:What do you think guys? Instant recall against Liverpool or will Dyche punish him with a spell on the bench for his stupidity against Brighton

An absolute no-brainer...back in.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:22 pm

piston broke wrote:I hope SD now realises he has the opportunity, if needed, to go 3 at the back.

I hope he doesn't. You don't suddenly change formations, which in that instance would be significant, when we're 7th in the table and doing well.

If we were in the bottom 3, I could understand it.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:23 pm

If we were against Bournemouth or someone I'd keep him in. Liverpool are on fire though, bring him back in.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:34 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I hope he doesn't. You don't suddenly change formations, which in that instance would be significant, when we're 7th in the table and doing well.

If we were in the bottom 3, I could understand it.

I'm not advocating changing the system, Frank. Just saying if we are chasing a game and want to go 3-5-2 the we know we have 3 capable CHs, who could comfortably do the job.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:39 pm

Tarks will come in. We kept a clean sheet but viewing from half way in home end there were a couple of nervy moments from Long.

He played well enough but Tarks all day.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:40 pm

Lowton wont get back in at this rate though. Bardsleys been class. He had a few words with Long today.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:45 pm

I think both Lowton and Tarkowski will return Monday. It is a huge ask for players to play 3 games in just 7 days.
So given we can do some rotation without it impacting in the framework........

That is is Tarkowski is fit.

Going 3 at the back would be a fundamental change in the way we set up without the ball and with it.

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:11 pm

Ben Mee came straight back in after 2 games out, which were both wins and clean sheets.
So I reckon Tarks will be back in.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:29 pm

Deffo Tarky back.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:34 pm

A lot of people forget about player morale and player morale is linked to form. Somebody who is feeling great and playing at the top of their game can trump somebody who is normally better. It's not always about who is the better player.

If somebody is ruled out due to injury, such as Wood, Ward and Lowton, it's more difficult as it wasn't their fault to be out.

With Tarks, it's different. He did something foolish, he was banned for 3 games and the player who replaced him has done very well, so I would agree to putting Tarks on the bench and sticking with Long, for now.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:46 pm

Tarkowski straight back in if fully fit

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:A lot of people forget about player morale and player morale is linked to form. Somebody who is feeling great and playing at the top of their game can trump somebody who is normally better. It's not always about who is the better player.

If somebody is ruled out due to injury, such as Wood, Ward and Lowton, it's more difficult as it wasn't their fault to be out.

With Tarks, it's different. He did something foolish, he was banned for 3 games and the player who replaced him has done very well, so I would agree to putting Tarks on the bench and sticking with Long, for now.

See your point but the best players have to play and Tarks is better than Long

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:58 pm

Stayingup wrote:See your point but the best players have to play and Tarks is better than Long

So you don't see my point as that's exactly what I'm saying isn't always the case

It's most definitely not always a case of playing your best 11, every game. They're humans and they have form and have feelings. Long is playing very well - from what I heard, one of our better players today.

You shunt him out as soon as a player has come back from a 3 match ban, for something that was the player's own fault and you give out the message of, "It's ok if you get banned, you're position is safe, don't worry pal".

It's not as simple as picking your best 11. There's a lot more that goes into it than that. But like I say, the majority of fans just don't take that into consideration because we don't have to deal with or talk to the players.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:07 pm

FactualFrank wrote:So you don't see my point as that's exactly what I'm saying isn't always the case

It's most definitely not always a case of playing your best 11, every game. They're humans and they have form and have feelings. Long is playing very well - from what I heard, one of our better players today.

You shunt him out as soon as a player has come back from a 3 match ban, for something that was the player's own fault and you give out the message of, "It's ok if you get banned, you're position is safe, don't worry pal".

It's not as simple as picking your best 11. There's a lot more that goes into it than that. But like I say, the majority of fans just don't take that into consideration because we don't have to deal with or talk to the players.

We dont have to deal with or talk to the players so as you suggest we dont know those things to take them into account. Tarks has been in excellent form so presume his morale is high and certainly no reason to think otherwise.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:10 pm

taio wrote:We dont have to deal with or talk to the players so as you suggest we dont know those things to take them into account. Tarks certainly has been in excellent form so presume his morale is high and certainly no reason to think otherwise.

Of course there's a reason to think otherwise - he's just been banned for 3 games. Why assume he'll be feeling great after being banned? If anything, we should presume he's feeling pretty crap - or go neutral and go off how well Long is playing.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:17 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Of course there's a reason to think otherwise - he's just been banned for 3 games. Why assume he'll be feeling great after being banned? If anything, we should presume he's feeling pretty crap - or go neutral and go off how well Long is playing.

If i was to presume anything it would be that he'll want to prove a point - thats the sort of thing SD instills

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:20 pm

But at the same time, we know that SD sticks with form players.

I guess it's a decision that won't come easy for SD. Removing a player who is playing well can't come easy. There's so many variables that goes into selecting a team, it's definitely not always a case of selecting the best 11 players.

Not a bad problem to have though! We're pretty blessed 2 levels deep in most positions.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:21 pm

FactualFrank wrote:But at the same time, we know that SD sticks with form players.

I guess it's a decision that won't come easy for SD. Removing a player who is playing well can't come easy. There's so many variables that goes into selecting a team, it's definitely not always a case of selecting the best 11 players.

Not a bad problem to have though! We're pretty blessed 2 levels deep in most positions.

Think theres a reasonable chance he will play Long.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:23 pm

Long has every chance.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:23 pm

One of our best players so straight back in.

Lordlucan · Post by **Lordlucan** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:25 pm

Tarks is pretty obviously the better player if both are on form. That said, a few iffy decisions had crept into his play before getting too involved with Murray. Playing consistently at this level obviously takes it out of you and maybe the ban came at a good time. Just hope
Santa came with a new contract

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:53 pm

Lets not forget we are playing Liverpool (not unlike Spurs as oppposition). SD will tell Long he has been great and Long will appreciate that Tarks is starting, and be grateful for having been picked during Tark's suspension.. His chance will cone again

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:47 am

How well did Long play against Spurs?
I think there were quite a few who felt he was nowhere near up to it after that game.
(It's only a week ago).

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:14 am

If he's fit then Tarkowski surely gets the nod. He's a better player and we are playing against one of the best attacks in the league.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:19 am

Kevin Long has been brilliant, but Tarks has to come back in.
It will be nice to see if Tarks has learnt the lesson of not giving these diving bastards the opportunity to con the ref. It's as much a part of learning the game as any other area.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:41 am

Tarks must come back in for me.

Kevin has been brilliant. Tarks gets infront of him because of he is far better on the ball, he gives us more going forward with his long range passes, and the way he carries the ball forward from defence

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:49 am

Tarky for me. That little bit more experience and understanding could make all the difference.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:01 am

Tarkowski and Lowton in for me.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:06 am

If for no other reason than "fitness" we should consider changes given games on 23rd, 26th, 30th and 1st-4 games in 10days to be 5 games in 15 by the FA Cup 3rd round. That intensity killed us off in March/April 1962

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:09 am

He put mee straight back in the team . He will do the same with tarkowski . Has previous posters have said he his one of our better players

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:10 am

Fully expect that Talks will start. Long has done Ok, but Tarkowski is clearly the better player. Dyche is often loyal to players, but let's not overstate this - he's put both Hendrick and Mee straight back in this season when their replacements have done quite well, presumably because Dyche's priority is getting our strongest eleven on the pitch.

Lowton/Bardsley is a little different- they're pretty closely matched.

Jel · Post by **Jel** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:28 am

In the games prior to the ban Tarky had given 2 silly penalties away. Neither dirty but both nieve. Then the retro ban, which I'm sure was afters from the penalty.
Long I think for all his lack of top game time is probably more mature as a player.
Keep Tarks on the bench for me, Long is fine.