Paul Tierney and obvious mistakes by Refs

[steve1264b]

I was wondering if Refs get pulled from games and "relegated" after obvious mistakes?

What are the consequences for Refs after poor performances?

Worst clanger went in our favour (swansea away), was that ref "taken out" for a while?

[dsr]

The thing about the non-penalty at Huddersfield it that it wasn't really an obvious mistake. A mistake, yes, but if referees were giving penalties only when they see a foul, then it would be an easy one to miss.

The problem is that refs in general are giving penalties when they don't see fouls - that's undoubted because of the number of non-fouls that are getting penalties. So when they see a player go down, they give a penalty umless they see definite evidence that there was no foul. Zaha's dive yesterday had no evidence whjatsoever that there was a push, because there wasn't one; but there was also no evidence that the ref could see that there was no puch, so he gave it. Which means that divers prosper, and it means that players who don't dive but fall naturally when their leg is taken don't get anything, and that penalties become random incidents which could equally well be judged by tossing a coin.

Tierney's decision would have been fair but wrong twenty years ago; the FA and FIFA, with their ambitions to make football a non-contact sport, have brought unfairness into the game.

[ClaretTony]

They sometimes get axed but Taylor didn't after that game

[piston broke]

The only excuse Tierney could have would be if he thought the keeper had touched the ball.
His position was perfect and he should have got it correct.

Mike Dean's decision yesterday was far worse.

[ClaretTony]

The only excuse Tierney could have would be if he thought the keeper had touched the ball.
His position was perfect and he should have got it correct.

Mike Dean's decision yesterday was far worse.

Tierney has said there was no contact and Jeff Hendrick lost his footing. If we never see Tierney again it will be too soon.

[summitclaret]

I have just read the BBC report on palace v city and was staggered that there is no mention of zaha cheating or even that the pen was controversial. What a disgrace. If the cheating diver is not punished we might as well give up.

[dsr]

The only excuse Tierney could have would be if he thought the keeper had touched the ball.
His position was perfect and he should have got it correct.

No, his (valid) excuse was that he didn't see (or wasn't sure he saw) the keeper catch the leg and thought Hendrick slipped. It's perfectly reasonable to believe that refs don't see ewvery single thing; what's not reasonable is when they start giving things they haven't seen.

[RammyClaret61]

But Tierney clearly says “no contact” so he was wrong on two levels.
1, there was contact.
2, if no contact? Yellow for diving, because we clearly appealed for a penalty.

[Colburn_Claret]

No, his (valid) excuse was that he didn't see (or wasn't sure he saw) the keeper catch the leg and thought Hendrick slipped. It's perfectly reasonable to believe that refs don't see ewvery single thing; what's not reasonable is when they start giving things they haven't seen.

It isn't reasonable when everyone else in the ground, including the Huddersfield fans, thought it was a stonewaller. He had the perfect angle to see that Jeff had his leg taken, and he bottled it. Stop making excuses for the indefensible.

[ClaretTony]

It isn't reasonable when everyone else in the ground, including the Huddersfield fans, thought it was a stonewaller. He had the perfect angle to see that Jeff had his leg taken, and he bottled it. Stop making excuses for the indefensible.

It isn't reasonable and it begs the question as to what he was actually doing out there in the first place if he can't see that from the position he was in.

[beddie]

Tierney and others are not up to the standard expected for the Premier League. (My opinion of course). Had that been Oliver, (shame he was the fourth that day) and stood in exactly the same position as Tierney then I believe he would have given it. My Son gets married in a few months time, one of his guests is a football league ref, he's been in the middle a few times at the Turf and as the fourth, ( he did tell me that SD never leaves it alone) I'll have some interesting questions ready for him. (poor chap).

[ClaretTony]

Had that been Oliver, (shame he was the fourth that day) and stood in exactly the same position as Tierney then I believe he would have given it.

He gives them when Dele Alli dives

[Claretmatt4]

Not fair to blame the referees. Blame the players who are diving every week and forcing referees to make those decisions.

They need to start calling out diving. I'm sick of commentators and pundits saying 'oh that was soft' or 'there wasn't much contact' just say what it is! Cheating!

They don't want the brand that is the EPL to be tarnished by dishonesty, but ignoring it is not going to help.

[beddie]

"He gives them when Dele Alli dives". I still think he would have given it as the positioning/view for Tierney together with the natural fall of Hendrick made it so obvious.

[ClaretTony]

Not fair to blame the referees. Blame the players who are diving every week and forcing referees to make those decisions.

They need to start calling out diving. I'm sick of commentators and pundits saying 'oh that was soft' or 'there wasn't much contact' just say what it is! Cheating!

They don't want the brand that is the EPL to be tarnished by dishonesty, but ignoring it is not going to help.

And so the FA brought in the new rules but then don't seem to bother applying them most of the time.

[dsr]

It isn't reasonable when everyone else in the ground, including the Huddersfield fans, thought it was a stonewaller. He had the perfect angle to see that Jeff had his leg taken, and he bottled it. Stop making excuses for the indefensible.

That's true in that sense, he's a referee and ought to see it. I'm not saying he shouldn't see it, just that if he didn't see it he shouldn't give it - unlike so many refs who will give things they haven't seen. In effect, they guess. Which is not OK when it comes to penalties or (eg.) Kane's foul that should have got him sent off just before they played us. It's better for the game if refs only give what they see.

[BurnleyPaul]

Why oh why can’t we just have panels comprised of an ex-player, ex-manager and an ex-referee to retrospectively examine ALL penalty claims (given or not given) from the previous round of matches and decide if there was a dive or it was, in their view, “soft” contact and the player made a meal of it by going to ground.

Having decided that a player dived they should then be banned for 3 games with NO right of appeal to the player and club. Furthermore I’d like the player to then pay a fine (1 week or salary) which would be given to a grassroots football charity which is NOT affiliated to any professional club and which is d3signated by the FA.

I reckon that within the first few games of such a regime that we’d see a drop in the number of cases of diving by players.

On top of this I’d also want referees who do fall for diving to be dropped from the next round of matches and made to referee their next game in the tier below where they made the mistake.

Now I’m not saying I’m pretty hardline when it comes to diving but....

[BleedingClaret]

It was his dad that made the initial mistake imo

[Devils_Advocate]

It isn't reasonable when everyone else in the ground, including the Huddersfield fans, thought it was a stonewaller. He had the perfect angle to see that Jeff had his leg taken, and he bottled it. Stop making excuses for the indefensible.

But a lot of burnley fans are cock sure on here about every decision being wrong that doesn't go in our favour. This one the ref got wrong but I wouldn't have bet my life on it being a pen on first viewing alone and anyone who says they would are full of sh*t

Refs are the best they have ever been and the issue is the unbelievable speed the game is played at and the level of scrutiny from the fans and the media

When you can consistently put the two managers in front of a TV monitor after the game and get them to both agree the ref was wrong then have a go at the ref. Until then it's you whinging obsessive blinkered fans that need to get a grip and just enjoy football for the GAME it is

[Rammy1968]

Why would a player with an open goal fall over to gain a penalty?

Shocking refereeing decision was a clear penalty from the other side of the ground so the referee got it completely wrong.

Devil the referee said there was no contact and that Hendrick slipped. A blind man riding a horse backward would of seen the contact so perhaps the referee isn’t fit for purpose and simply not up to the task!

[Devils_Advocate]

It was a terrible decision but def didn't have an open goal which just highlights how people's views are distorted. It is plausible that is standing foot gave way in the turf and with it being stretched out in front he lost his balance. As we all know this didn't happen and the ref made a howler but at the pace it happened it's easy to get it wrong

Like I said come back when Dyche and all the other managers can be balanced and agree and not just bemoan every little decision that doesn't go their way as then we might get somewhere

[FCBurnley]

Tierney has said there was no contact and Jeff Hendrick lost his footing. If we never see Tierney again it will be too soon.

Then Tierney is a liar

[Caernarfon_Claret]

I'm for a new law - if a penalty is given when it shouldn't be you retrospectively take a goal away making a 0-1 win 0-0 and if it should be given and isn't a 0-0 becomes 1-0.

It's only ever going to happen in my dreams but still.

[ClaretTony]

Then Tierney is a liar

If he doesn't see contact then he says there is no contact. Doesn't make him a liar, just a poor decision from a poor referee.

[Colburn_Claret]

But a lot of burnley fans are cock sure on here about every decision being wrong that doesn't go in our favour. This one the ref got wrong but I wouldn't have bet my life on it being a pen on first viewing alone and anyone who says they would are full of sh*t

Refs are the best they have ever been and the issue is the unbelievable speed the game is played at and the level of scrutiny from the fans and the media

When you can consistently put the two managers in front of a TV monitor after the game and get them to both agree the ref was wrong then have a go at the ref. Until then it's you whinging obsessive blinkered fans that need to get a grip and just enjoy football for the GAME it is

You don't half talk some shite