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Jack Wiltshire

Post by otto1959 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:04 pm

Another dive tonight in the penalty area. Already on a booking, Ref refused to do anything.

A good game though, after saying that Wiltshire has just scored.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by claretblue » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:06 pm

just scored

1 - 0 to our European rivals!

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:07 pm

Yes should have had Red Card
Woonder if moaning Wenger saw that

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by ClaretAndJew » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:08 pm

Who?

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by ClaretFelix » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:08 pm

To be fair to him, he's played pretty well. Maitland-Niles having a stormer. He's not even a left back but had Moses in his pocket all game and looked dangerous going forward

1-1 Dodgy Hazard pen

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by ElectroClaret » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:11 pm

Another soft peno.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:12 pm

Great a disputed penalty to annoy the awful Wenger

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by KefkaClaret » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:12 pm

Be interesting to see how the diving panel review that Hazard penalty as there was contact but he exaggerated massively.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by ClaretFelix » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:13 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Another soft peno.

Is it worth bothering mentioning retrospective action?? Lanzini got 2 games for less than that.....

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by skibum84 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:13 pm

Wiltshire shouldn’t be on the pitch and Hazard should be banned for 2 games for deception of the ref. Hazard was never kicked hard enough for him to go down like that.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by claretdj » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:15 pm

As much as I dislike arsenal that is never a pen for Chelsea. The game is fast becoming a non contact sport n the standard of refs this season has been shocking so far. Roll on the var!

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:16 pm

Wilshere, I know he's eaten a few too many pies but he's not the size of a county.
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by cutsy123 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:37 pm

What a game

Wilshire proved he can stil do a bit too. MOM for me

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by what_no_pies » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:42 pm

Wilshere.

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Post by RVclaret » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:44 pm

skibum84 wrote:Wiltshire shouldn’t be on the pitch and Hazard should be banned for 2 games for deception of the ref. Hazard was never kicked hard enough for him to go down like that.
Wiltshire wasn’t on the pitch last time I checked.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by dermotdermot » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:45 pm

cutsy123 wrote:What a game

Wilshire proved he can stil do a bit too. MOM for me
Exactly. A breathtaking game that could have been ruined by all the uncalled for suggestions on this thread that that either Wilshire or Hazard should have been dismissed.
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:49 pm

Wilshere's absolutely fantastic

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Royboyclaret » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:52 pm

Game of the season, so far, for me.

Unbelievable quality with Wilshere having a big part. Not difficult to understand though that Wenger might well have an interest in Tarks, their two central defenders tonight are far from convincing.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:53 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Exactly. A breathtaking game that could have been ruined by all the uncalled for suggestions on this thread that that either Wiltshire or Hazard should have been dismissed.
Bloody hell Dermot, I am not one for much criticism on here, but that's got to be one of
the dumbest posts on here for quite some time.
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:54 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Game of the season, so far, for me.

Unbelievable quality with Wilshere having a big part. Not difficult to understand though that Wenger might well have an interest in Tarks, their two central defenders tonight are far from convincing.
They are in talks with a centre half - he's Greek.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by dermotdermot » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:01 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Bloody hell Dermot, I am not one for much criticism on here, but that's got to be one of
the dumbest posts on here for quite some time.
Do you really think so?

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:08 pm

Afraid so, no offence meant.

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Post by dermotdermot » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:11 pm

None taken. It's just that I watched the incidents carefully and thought that, however minimal, there was contact in both cases. I don't think that it was a penalty though.
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by bobinho » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:15 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Exactly. A breathtaking game that could have been ruined by all the uncalled for suggestions on this thread that that either Wilshire or Hazard should have been dismissed.
Both suggestions bang on the money. If this game had been ruined as a tv spectacle due to those suggestions, then so be it. I'd rather the rules be followed and applied, than ignored in the name of entertainment.
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Carport » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:16 pm

dermotdermot wrote:None taken. It's just that I watched the incidents carefully and thought that, however minimal, there was contact in both cases. I don't think that it was a penalty though.
But Wilshere initiated the contact deliberately. QED no foul and second yellow card appropriate for simulation.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Roosterbooster » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:17 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Exactly. A breathtaking game that could have been ruined by all the uncalled for suggestions on this thread that that either Wilshire or Hazard should have been dismissed.
If a game is ruined because a player is correctly sent off, then that’s the fault of the player, not the ref

It’s not the ref’s job to ensure the game is entertaining. It’s their job to ensure the game is played fairly, and the laws of the game are adhered to.

If a game lacks entertainment, blame the players and management
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote:They are in talks with a centre half - he's Greek.
Isn't Dimitri ..Tarkowski's middle name :shock: :D

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:16 am

claretdj wrote:As much as I dislike arsenal that is never a pen for Chelsea. The game is fast becoming a non contact sport n the standard of refs this season has been shocking so far. Roll on the var!
More of a pen than the one Mason gave them in the 90 billionth minute at the Turf

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:04 am

Vegas Claret wrote:More of a pen than the one Mason gave them in the 90 billionth minute at the Turf
Tarky gave Mason the opportunity by putting his hands on his back, but 9 times out of 10 that would not have been given. As soft as that one was last night, there was contact and I think the decision was correct.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:42 am

ClaretTony wrote:Tarky gave Mason the opportunity by putting his hands on his back.
I'm surprised you of all people has been brainwashed into believing that kind of nonsense.

No foul was committed so it should not have been a penalty. It really is as black and white as that.
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:47 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:I'm surprised you of all people has been brainwashed into believing that kind of nonsense.

No foul was committed so it should not have been a penalty. It really is as black and white as that.
Not been brainwashed at all, Tarkowski clearly pushed Ramsey. What Ramsey did then was ridiculous but if Tarkowski hadn't pushed him, no penalty could have been awarded.
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Post by Dyched » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:50 am

ClaretTony wrote:Not been brainwashed at all, Tarkowski clearly pushed Ramsey. What Ramsey did then was ridiculous but if Tarkowski hadn't pushed him, no penalty could have been awarded.
Tony don't waste your time debating with the paranoia squad
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by UpTheBeehole » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:54 am

Tarkowski clearly pushed Ramsey. In our penalty box. In injury time.

It was f*cking stupid.

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Post by CFS » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:02 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Tarkowski clearly pushed Ramsey. In our penalty box. In injury time.

It was f*cking stupid.
Bellerin clearly kicked hazard yesterday as chambers handballed in the area v westbrom.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Tarky gave Mason the opportunity by putting his hands on his back, but 9 times out of 10 that would not have been given. As soft as that one was last night, there was contact and I think the decision was correct.
I thought Tarks put his hands on Ramsey rather than he pushed him - either way we lost :(

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I thought Tarks put his hands on Ramsey rather than he pushed him - either way we lost :(
...and I thought Ramsey backed into to initiate the "contact" with Tarks making him place his hands on his back [lets not forget Newtons 3rd law people ;) ]
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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Pepperclaret » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:21 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:...and I thought Ramsey backed into to initiate the "contact" with Tarks making him place his hands on his back [lets not forget Newtons 3rd law people ;) ]
Good analysis there Rick_Muller
I would suggest referees when qualifying for their badges, are taught Newtons Laws 1to 3 inc. Some of the reactions to so called 'contact' defy the laws of physics.

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:18 pm

Please no happy Jack stories next we know some clown will suggest he's back in the England team ffs

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Re: Jack Wiltshire

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:21 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Please no happy Jack stories next we know some clown will suggest he's back in the England team ffs

They're already screaming for that one... :roll:
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