Kevin Mirallas

Longsidejono · Post by **Longsidejono** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:35 pm

According to sky his future is uncertain at Everton he’s got a attitude problem but would be excellent for us I think he would become the most recognised player and really do well for us

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:47 pm

Read your own post and it might give you a good clue why we would probably not be interested

Good player on his day - not had many of "his days" in last 2 years since he's been trying to engineer a move away.

Perfect for West Ham - £90k a week - 15 year deal

Longsidejono · Post by **Longsidejono** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:56 pm

TVC15 wrote:Read your own post and it might give you a good clue why we would probably not be interested

Good player on his day - not had many of "his days" in last 2 years since he's been trying to engineer a move away.

Perfect for West Ham - £90k a week - 15 year deal

Ok everybody happy with Aaron Lennon then 85k a week not had his day ever

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:10 pm

Longsidejono wrote:Ok everybody happy with Aaron Lennon then 85k a week not had his day ever

Do you mean "never had his day ever" as in playing in the Premier League for 12 or 13 consecutive seasons ?

Or do you mean in any of his 21 international appearances ?

Not sure where you get the £85k a week from - if he is on that we would only sign him on a short term loan.

Either way the post was about Mirallas - you know the one with an attitude problem

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:15 pm

Longsidejono wrote:According to sky his future is uncertain at Everton he’s got a attitude problem but would be excellent for us I think he would become the most recognised player and really do well for us

So you'd like us to sign a player with an attitude problem

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:So you'd like us to sign a player with an attitude problem

Two words...Joey Barton

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:So you'd like us to sign a player with an attitude problem

You mean like Andre Gray ?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:20 pm

That's a good point from Braindead.....you wouldn't have got a more devoted member
of the awkward squad than JB.

Then the Boss knocked him into shape.....

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:21 pm

Not sure Joey Barton has a bad attitude. Was popular at most clubs he played for.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:25 pm

I'd say stubbing a cigar out in a fellow players eye is a fairly good
pointer to the "bad attitude" side of things, Pearcey

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:27 pm

Braindead wrote:Two words...Joey Barton

joey13 wrote:You mean like Andre Gray ?

I'll accept Joey to a point but not Andre Gray who, to my knowledge, hadn't been disruptive in a dressing room as Mirallas seems to have been.

I do think Dyche knew exactly what he was doing and what he was getting with Joey though.

Longsidejono · Post by **Longsidejono** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:12 pm

TVC15 wrote:Do you mean "never had his day ever" as in playing in the Premier League for 12 or 13 consecutive seasons ?

Or do you mean in any of his 21 international appearances ?

Not sure where you get the £85k a week from - if he is on that we would only sign him on a short term loan.

Either way the post was about Mirallas - you know the one with an attitude problem

Read your own post it might give you a clue in we’re 85k came from 12/13 prem seasons, 21 international appearances.

Based on that peter crouch must be high on our wanted list!

I’m sure the board would be gutted if we signed Ronaldo tomorrow cause he’s got a attitude.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:17 pm

Pearcey wrote:Not sure Joey Barton has a bad attitude. Was popular at most clubs he played for.

Yeah I bet he was, Redknapp hated him at QPR, he stubbed a cigar out on a fellow team mate at Man City and was kicked out of Rangers for brawling in training with his team mates.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:26 pm

Dyche wasnt at any of those clubs

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:38 pm

Longsidejono wrote:Read your own post it might give you a clue in we’re 85k came from 12/13 prem seasons, 21 international appearances.

Based on that peter crouch must be high on our wanted list!

I’m sure the board would be gutted if we signed Ronaldo tomorrow cause he’s got a attitude.

You are not making any sense now.
The stats in my post were in response to your stupid statement that Lennon had never been any good.
The reason I doubt very much he will be on £85k a week is that he is getting on a bit now and I can't believe that Burnley were close to signing a player in the summer who would be on double the rest of the squad.

Are you so upset cos nobody supported your idea of signing some guy who has been pretty much on strike these last 2 years and waiting to run down his contract ?

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:24 pm

His behaviour has obviously been questionable but his attitude to hard work on the pitch has been decent at ‘most’ clubs.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:59 pm

If shitheads like Sanchez aren't happy with the players he plays with at Arsenal, on his 300 grand a week, anything can tilt these nobheads.

Now having to actually earn your measley 30 grand a week at Burnley would be too much for some European type.

Stick with the British and Irish me says.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I'll accept Joey to a point but not Andre Gray who, to my knowledge, hadn't been disruptive in a dressing room as Mirallas seems to have been.

I do think Dyche knew exactly what he was doing and what he was getting with Joey though.

Wasn’t it Gray who introduced the Boom box to the dressing room !

Longsidejono · Post by **Longsidejono** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:24 pm

TVC15 wrote:You are not making any sense now.
The stats in my post were in response to your stupid statement that Lennon had never been any good.
The reason I doubt very much he will be on £85k a week is that he is getting on a bit now and I can't believe that Burnley were close to signing a player in the summer who would be on double the rest of the squad.

Are you so upset cos nobody supported your idea of signing some guy who has been pretty much on strike these last 2 years and waiting to run down his contract ?

They are both 30 years old so I don’t get were that one has come from.

Lennon has scored 33 goals in 334 games and mirallas has scored 29 in 151 I’m not upset I’m just disappointed that a person who supports my team would rather us acquire a journey man rather than someone who has quality.

Defour of last season would have been dropped but he had the quality every so often to keep the fans interested. Now he’s put in the work he’s a complete player.

Either way none will end up at turf moor. (Playing FOR Burnley )

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:56 pm

joey13 wrote:Wasn’t it Gray who introduced the Boom box to the dressing room !

According to Dyche - he said it was part of the deal when he went to Watford that we got to keep it

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:So you'd like us to sign a player with an attitude problem

If he is talented enough I would. The key thing we have that others dont is Dyche.

We have signed plenty with issues or attitude problems. I'd sooner them than ones lacking skill. We all know that Dyche can work miracles. Improving morale and hard work is his biggest talent.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:26 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:If he is talented enough I would. The key thing we have that others dont is Dyche.

We have signed plenty with issues or attitude problems. I'd sooner them than ones lacking skill. We all know that Dyche can work miracles. Improving morale and hard work is his biggest talent.

He's only been talking (again) recently about the depth that goes into signing the 'right' characters and not just players who have skill.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:33 pm

The characters are very important. I agree 100%. But its worth taking the odd gamble.

There are reasons Mirallas would be worth it.

He is a good player.
Point to prove in world cup year.
Will know Defour.
Doesnt have to move too far if at all.

The odd one with a bad attitude will feel like a dickhead if he comes in rocking a steady ship. So if we got him on loan and he was a knob we could just send him back!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:37 pm

From the little I've seen of him I also think that he's a decent player.

And of course there are two sides to a story and it is may be easier to just say so and so has an attitude problem.

It doesn't mean a player will have an attitude problem at every club he goes to.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:52 pm

Attitude and probable wages aside, EXACTLY the type of player we need to replace Brady.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:57 pm

Longsidejono wrote:Ok everybody happy with Aaron Lennon then 85k a week not had his day ever

Actually, not signing Miralles doesn't automatically mean we have to sign Lennon. It's not an either/or, it's quite possible that we sign neither.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:02 pm

I would 100% take both Mirallas and Lennon.

Would improve our squad dramatically and allow us a creative input we lack (other than the consistently excellent JBG)

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:03 pm

Braindead wrote:Two words...Joey Barton

Barton's attitude problem was nothing to do with not wanting to work hard and not wanting to play. If anything, it was the other way round - he so badly wanted to play well and work hard that he overreacted to players who (in his opinion) weren't doing all they should be.

There were two reasons why this wasn't a problem at Burnley - for one, there were few if any players who weren't doing the work; for another, Dyche was so obviously the boss that if Barton did give anyone a rollicking (eg. Charlton away), they knew that it was with Dyche's tacit approval because Dyche would have stepped in and stopped it if he'd wanted to.

When Barton had a manager who he didn't respect and who didn't have a complete grasp of club discipline, then he was a menace. If both Barton and the rest of the team knew exactly who was boss and what the rules were, he was a model pro. The 3 months at Rangers showed it wasn't Barton who changed, because he got there, found players who he thought weren't trying, shouted at them, split the dressing room, caused chaos. What was the manager doing? Not much. That could not have happened at Burnley under Dyche.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:09 pm

Longsidejono wrote:They are both 30 years old so I don’t get were that one has come from.

Lennon has scored 33 goals in 334 games and mirallas has scored 29 in 151 I’m not upset I’m just disappointed that a person who supports my team would rather us acquire a journey man rather than someone who has quality.

Defour of last season would have been dropped but he had the quality every so often to keep the fans interested. Now he’s put in the work he’s a complete player.

Either way none will end up at turf moor. (Playing FOR Burnley )

Who said anything about preferring Lennon over Mirallas ?
If Lennon is on £85k a week like you profess he is then I doubt there would be many Burnley fans happy to sign him. It would be the same for Mirallas aswell.

What you said was that Lennon has never been a good player when he has very clearly had a better career than Mirallas. Lennon played for Spurs for years - whereas Mirallas spat his dummy out because he wanted to play for them and probably never will now.

What the hell Defour has got to do with this now I'm not sure.

If Dyche signs Mirallas then that's fine - just like if he signs Ronaldo....fine by me !

You might want to listen to what he said about Tarks new contract though and why they gave it him - does not sound like a man who would break the whole wage structure / framework of the club for a superstar signing on twice as much as the rest of his team.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:43 am

ClaretTony wrote:According to Dyche - he said it was part of the deal when he went to Watford that we got to keep it

Watford already have a drum!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:56 am

Braindead wrote:Two words...Joey Barton

To quote Meatloaf 'You took the words right out of my mouth'.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:04 pm

Longsidejono wrote:They are both 30 years old so I don’t get were that one has come from.

Lennon has scored 33 goals in 334 games and mirallas has scored 29 in 151 I’m not upset I’m just disappointed that a person who supports my team would rather us acquire a journey man rather than someone who has quality.

Who's the journeyman?

Aaron Lennon who's played in one country for Leeds, Spurs and Everton, or Mirallas who's played for in three countries for Lille, St Etienne, Olympiacos and Everton?

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:58 pm

If we're lucky, and SD sorts him out he might have an annus mirallas

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:03 pm

I really liked him a couple of seasons ago, but something in the state of Denmark must stink, because he's been ignored by several managers now. They can't all be wrong.

BillyIngham'sShorts · Post by **BillyIngham'sShorts** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:53 pm

he lives in my road in altrincham dead opposite marcus rashford. Seems a nice chap (based on nodding terms only when walking dog etc) . not relevant to the debate but hey ho.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:38 am

Mirallas gone on loan to Olympiakos till end of season.(5live)

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:48 am

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Longsidejono · Post by **Longsidejono** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:00 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Who's the journeyman?

Aaron Lennon who's played in one country for Leeds, Spurs and Everton, or Mirallas who's played for in three countries for Lille, St Etienne, Olympiacos and Everton?

journeyman
ˈdʒəːnɪmən/Submit
noun
1.
a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.
"a solid journeyman professional"

Hendrickxz · Post by **Hendrickxz** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:06 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:If we're lucky, and SD sorts him out he might have an annus mirallas

Or just an anus!

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:45 pm

As said above, doubt he would have been a player for us.
Far too inconsistent and does seem to have attitude issues. I certainly would not have suggested him for us.