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Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Chobulous » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:10 pm

A bench warmer is the best he can hope for.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:12 pm

I read today Chelsea are considering asking about taking Andy Carroll on loan.... :shock: :lol:

Conte is having a whinge about having to work with limited funds.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:14 pm

Learning off the greatest midfielder the premier league has seen in Fabregas can only be a good thing for a young English player.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by bobinho » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:15 pm

Can be a good player. Can. When he wants. Not professional enough for me.

Surprised Chelsea pursued this. Wilshere would’ve been a better bet when the arse were happy to loan him.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:16 pm

You forgot the winky emoji on the end of that one, Quicken.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by bobinho » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:16 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Learning off the greatest midfielder the premier league has seen in Fabregas can only be a good thing for a young English player.
Mmmmm.... that’s gonna get a few nibbles.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:48 pm

bobinho wrote:Mmmmm.... that’s gonna get a few nibbles.
Only from closet United or Liverpool fans.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Dyched » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:57 pm

Fabregas is a superb player

We as a footballing country didn't rate scholes until he retired and some world class players said he was

Same as Pirlo too. If he had played here nobody would talk about him

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:05 pm

Fabregas was a great player.

Only started 13 league games last season as they won the league, and only started 15 this season.

He's now not the player he once was, and he's only 30.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:09 pm

Isn't Fabregas generally considered to be good for half a season?

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:09 pm

Dyched wrote:Fabregas is a superb player

We as a footballing country didn't rate scholes until he retired and some world class players said he was

Same as Pirlo too. If he had played here nobody would talk about him
People were blinded by Gerrard and Lampard for some reason.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:11 pm

I'd argue that Vieira was the best midfielder the PL had seen.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by paulus the woodgnome » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:13 pm

Can't believe Chelsea are after this guy. Another Jack Rodwell in the making if you ask me.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Spijed » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:16 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I'd argue that Vieira was the best midfielder the PL had seen.
What about Roy Keane?

He may not have been the most skillful player but he was arguably one of the greatest when it came to getting the best out of those around him.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:20 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Learning off the greatest midfielder the premier league has seen in Fabregas can only be a good thing for a young English player.
Not fit to lace Dean Marney's boots.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:24 pm

Spijed wrote:What about Roy Keane?

He may not have been the most skillful player but he was arguably one of the greatest when it came to getting the best out of those around him.
Endless list of midfielders equal or better to Fabregas, each with different strengths.

Goalscorers:
Lampard
Gerrard
Tim Cahill

Creative:
Scholes
De Bruyne
Silva
Xabi Alonso
Yaya Toure

Enforcers:
Keane
Vieira
Petit
Speed
Ince
Makelele
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:25 pm

Spijed wrote:What about Roy Keane?

He may not have been the most skillful player but he was arguably one of the greatest when it came to getting the best out of those around him.
Vieira had him on toast every time they played.

Keane was the potato-faced clapper who was there to spoil.

Vieira was better than him in every respect.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:27 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Vieira had him on toast every time they played.

Keane was the potato-faced clapper who was there to spoil.

Vieira was better than him in every respect.
Pretty sure it was even. One would have a great game then the other. Didn't John O'shea once have a decent game against Vieira too. Did that make him better?

Keane v Vieira was one of the best ongoing battles the PL has been treated to.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:31 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Fabregas was a great player.

Only started 13 league games last season as they won the league, and only started 15 this season.

He's now not the player he once was, and he's only 30.
Even though he hardly played last season still had around 15 assists to his name.

Despite going to Barcelona for a bit he is still the 2nd highest assist player of all time in the premier league with 111.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by KefkaClaret » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:34 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Endless list of midfielders equal or better to Fabregas, each with different strengths.

Goalscorers:
Lampard
Gerrard
Tim Cahill

Creative:
Scholes
De Bruyne
Silva
Xabi Alonso
Yaya Toure

Enforcers:
Keane
Vieira
Petit
Speed
Ince
Makelele
Genuinely can't believe you've rated Cahill above Fabregas.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:34 pm

Lots of good players mentioned. Some did it for short periods, few for long.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by jlup1980 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:36 pm

I still remember Fabregas having an unbelievable half an hour or so against us at the Turf in the Coyle PL season. He got injured early on but he showed more in that half an hour than most players have shown at the Turf in 90 minutes! He was unplayable, absolutely unplayable. A fabulous player who should be appreciated whilst he's still playing!!

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by bobinho » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:38 pm

Fabregas has been superb.

Lacked the consistency to make him one of the great players of all time. I remember him tearing us apart at the turf, first game of the season. Didn’t manage that for every game tho, but still a superb talent.

Roy Keane? He he, you’re funny.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Dyched » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:43 pm

What people forget about Viera is he could play. He was great on the ball and scored some brilliant goals. He had everything you'd want in a midfielder.
You talk about greats and they can create or tackle very very few can do both. Viera could.

Back when he played teams played 442. With a tackler and creative player in midfield. In arsenals unbeaten season Viera had Gilberto alongside him as the tackler/inforcer. Says it all.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:44 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Genuinely can't believe you've rated Cahill above Fabregas.
Genuinely can't believe you missed the fifth word in the first sentence of mine which you quoted. Worth considering that he had a one in four record for a frankly shite Everton team over 8 years. Of course as he played for Everton that's why equally he didnt get the plaudits.

I'm not doubting that he's good, just that others are / have been good too.
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Post by tiger76 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:47 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I read today Chelsea are considering asking about taking Andy Carroll on loan.... :shock: :lol:

Conte is having a whinge about having to work with limited funds.
Maybe they should stop loaning out young English talent then.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Roosterbooster » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:52 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Genuinely can't believe you've rated Cahill above Fabregas.
I’m not saying Cahill is better than Cesc, but probably one of the PL’s most underrated players...?

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Roosterbooster » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:54 pm

Anyway. Viera, for me, was the best midfielder of the PL

As for Barkley, I think he could be pretty good. He needs a move, that’s for sure

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Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:08 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Genuinely can't believe you missed the fifth word in the first sentence of mine which you quoted. Worth considering that he had a one in four record for a frankly shite Everton team over 8 years. Of course as he played for Everton that's why equally he didnt get the plaudits.

I'm not doubting that he's good, just that others are / have been good too.
So you're saying that Cahill was equal to Fabregas?

Hilarious

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:34 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So you're saying that Cahill was equal to Fabregas?

Hilarious
More goals than Fabregas (56 vs 49) in less games (226 vs 331) in a shite team, which mostly battled relegation as opposed to two challenging for the league.

I'm saying he's at least equal.

Oh but Cahill didn't play hollywood passes within that shite team so no, he's shite.

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Post by edison » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:44 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Can't believe Chelsea are after this guy. Another Jack Rodwell in the making if you ask me.
After we got promoted after beating Wigan a few seasons ago, I overheard someone saying "Jack Rodwell is exactly the kind of player we should be chasing next season". Not a hint of irony in his voice

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:45 pm

Darthlaw wrote:More goals than Fabregas (56 vs 49) in less games (226 vs 331) in a shite team, which mostly battled relegation as opposed to two challenging for the league.

I'm saying he's at least equal.

Oh but Cahill didn't play hollywood passes within that shite team so no, he's shite.
Cahill's goal tally came about because Moyes often played him virtually as a striker because he was good in the air.

And if you think Fabregas is all about hollywood passes, then you've never really seen him play have you?

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Darthlaw » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:01 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Cahill's goal tally came about because Moyes often played him virtually as a striker because he was good in the air.

And if you think Fabregas is all about hollywood passes, then you've never really seen him play have you?
Seen as you're so keen to dismiss Cahill's achievements, I can't be arsed arguing. Then again, Roy Keane was a 'potato-faced clapper who was there to spoil' according to you so was there ever any point arguing?

I've said Fabregas is good but there are others easily overlooked because of the different styles of midfielder.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:04 pm

There is no point you arguing that Tim Cahill is in the same bracket as Cesc Fabregas, I agree.

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:59 pm

Cahill was a great player for Everton, both in Midfield and when he was pushed up front, it can't even be disputed.

Fabregas is also a very good player, but different sort to Cahill.

Almost chalk and cheese, but I'm sure if you asked a Toffee they'd tell you they rate Cahill higher than Fabregas.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by chekhov » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:25 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Almost chalk and cheese, but I'm sure if you asked a Toffee they'd tell you they rate Cahill higher than Fabregas.
And if you asked a Claret he'd say Dean Marney is better than both of them.
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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by KRBFC » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:29 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Endless list of midfielders equal or better to Fabregas, each with different strengths.

Goalscorers:
Lampard
Gerrard
Tim Cahill

Creative:
Scholes
De Bruyne
Silva
Xabi Alonso
Yaya Toure

Enforcers:
Keane
Vieira
Petit
Speed
Ince
Makelele
Tim Cahill :lol:
I'd add Kante and Pogba to that list

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by bob-the-scutter » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:43 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Not fit to lace Dean Marney's boots.
Or Brian O'Neil!

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Walton » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:34 pm

Tim Cahill :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by cutsy123 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:38 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I read today Chelsea are considering asking about taking Andy Carroll on loan.... :shock: :lol:

Conte is having a whinge about having to work with limited funds.
They wer after llorente too

Both can do a job with the right service

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Re: Barkley to Chelsea

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:47 pm

Times - on-line report added this afternoon:

Conte also offered a somewhat equivocal appraisal of Barkley, praising the player’s attributes but abrogating any responsibility for that transfer, or the reported interest in the West Ham striker Carroll.

“He has a lot of space for improvement,” Conte said. “Very strong physically, good technique and he is a good prospect.

“I gave my opinion to the club but the club then decide the players we can buy or we can sell. Recruitment is not my job, [you] understand. The club try to do the best to improve this team. I am a coach and I give my opinion if the club ask me, but it is the club who decide if the players arrive here.”


So, imagine you are signing for a new club - and the coach says the above about you.

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