Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
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Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Please leave ratings for all players who have played 20 mins or more.
Scoring is from 3 to 10 as follows:
10 - Out of this World
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 - Good
6 - Average
5 - Below Par
4 - Poor
3 - Abysmal
Scoring is from 3 to 10 as follows:
10 - Out of this World
9 - Excellent
8 - Very Good
7 - Good
6 - Average
5 - Below Par
4 - Poor
3 - Abysmal
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 6 didn't do a lot wrong, but they only had 5 on target and scored 4
Lowton 5 asleep, played them on for the second and left Sane acres for the 4th
Long 7
Mee 7 mom
Taylor 6
JBG 6 looked the best outlet again, but faded badly, he has,a lot to carry without Brady
Cork 6 still looks off the pace compared to early season, surprised he wasn't rested
Westwood 6
Hendrick 5 didn't realise he was on the pitch first half
Barnes 7 not his best but a cracking goal
Vokes 6 worked hard but little reward
Wells 6
Walters 5
Played well for an hour, showed the naivety at this level conceding a sucker goal like the first and conceding a second so quickly.
Can't forget they are Man City, so there were still positives to take.
Felt sorry for Lowts who despite a good game cost us 2 of the goals.
Onwards and upwards UTC
Lowton 5 asleep, played them on for the second and left Sane acres for the 4th
Long 7
Mee 7 mom
Taylor 6
JBG 6 looked the best outlet again, but faded badly, he has,a lot to carry without Brady
Cork 6 still looks off the pace compared to early season, surprised he wasn't rested
Westwood 6
Hendrick 5 didn't realise he was on the pitch first half
Barnes 7 not his best but a cracking goal
Vokes 6 worked hard but little reward
Wells 6
Walters 5
Played well for an hour, showed the naivety at this level conceding a sucker goal like the first and conceding a second so quickly.
Can't forget they are Man City, so there were still positives to take.
Felt sorry for Lowts who despite a good game cost us 2 of the goals.
Onwards and upwards UTC
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 5 come back soon Tom
Lowton 4 at fault for 2 goals at least
Long 5 slow and not good enough
Mee 6 fell asleep for their first goal
Taylor 5 come back wardy
JBG 7 good game.
Cork 6 looked good again to me
Westwood 6 i like him good game
Hendrick 3 needs to play as a CM
Barnes 7 MOM an handful for them
Vokes 5 too slow for this level
Lowton 4 at fault for 2 goals at least
Long 5 slow and not good enough
Mee 6 fell asleep for their first goal
Taylor 5 come back wardy
JBG 7 good game.
Cork 6 looked good again to me
Westwood 6 i like him good game
Hendrick 3 needs to play as a CM
Barnes 7 MOM an handful for them
Vokes 5 too slow for this level
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Really! Oh yeah, forgot that he's been really crap since he came in for Tom! Lost us loads of games.pushpinpussy wrote:Pope 5 come back soon Tom
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 7
Lowton 6
Long 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6
JBG 8
Cork 7
Westwood 6
Hendrick 6
Barnes 8
Vokes 6
Wells 6
Lowton 6
Long 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6
JBG 8
Cork 7
Westwood 6
Hendrick 6
Barnes 8
Vokes 6
Wells 6
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I'd find it difficult to mark any players too low today. We've been heavily beaten in the end but by the team who are the best in the league by a country mile. The second best can't compete with them.
Pope 6
Lowton 6
Long 6
Mee 7
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 8
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
Wells 6
Pope 6
Lowton 6
Long 6
Mee 7
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 8
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
Wells 6
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Pope 5
Lowton 6
Long 6
Mee 4 at fault for the 3rd by being too far forward and giving away possession and leaving us in the learch in a defensive transition.
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 5 looked tired
Westwood 6
Barnes 8
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
Wells 6
For somebody to rate Ben Mee as man of the match baffles me, Was he at fault for the 1st too by switching off, i don't want to be critical of Mr Burnley either.
Lowton 6
Long 6
Mee 4 at fault for the 3rd by being too far forward and giving away possession and leaving us in the learch in a defensive transition.
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 5 looked tired
Westwood 6
Barnes 8
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
Wells 6
For somebody to rate Ben Mee as man of the match baffles me, Was he at fault for the 1st too by switching off, i don't want to be critical of Mr Burnley either.
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 5 Had a Brain fart for the 4th
Lowton 5 Not the best return
Long 6 struggled
Mee 6 struggled
Taylor 6 had a hard game against pace
JBG 6 in and out of the game too much but we can't rely solely on him for creativity
Cork 6 struggled
Westwood 7 thought he did OK
Hendrick 5 forgot he was on the pitch at times
Barnes did OK and took his goal well
Vokes 5 missed an early header
Lowton 5 Not the best return
Long 6 struggled
Mee 6 struggled
Taylor 6 had a hard game against pace
JBG 6 in and out of the game too much but we can't rely solely on him for creativity
Cork 6 struggled
Westwood 7 thought he did OK
Hendrick 5 forgot he was on the pitch at times
Barnes did OK and took his goal well
Vokes 5 missed an early header
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Hard one today as for 50 mins things were very positive then bang the two quick goals had us looking ragged and below par.
Pope 5 thought he could have done better with 3rd and certainly 4th
Lowton 5
Taylor 5
Mee 5
Long 5
Cork 6
Hendrick 6
Westwood 6 MoM
JBG 6
Barnes 6
Vokes 6
Wells 4
Pope 5 thought he could have done better with 3rd and certainly 4th
Lowton 5
Taylor 5
Mee 5
Long 5
Cork 6
Hendrick 6
Westwood 6 MoM
JBG 6
Barnes 6
Vokes 6
Wells 4
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I thought Mee had a good game.
At fault for the first, possibly but he wasn't alone.
The down side of Ben is he plays very well, but every mistake gets punished. Some players get away with the occasional slip, not Ben. He was excellent against utd but cost us the equaliser, and excellent against Liverpool but failed to put in a challenge for that late free kick.
I don't think that makes him poor, just unlucky.
At fault for the first, possibly but he wasn't alone.
The down side of Ben is he plays very well, but every mistake gets punished. Some players get away with the occasional slip, not Ben. He was excellent against utd but cost us the equaliser, and excellent against Liverpool but failed to put in a challenge for that late free kick.
I don't think that makes him poor, just unlucky.
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Pope 7 poor decision for last goal and a dodgy kick but did ok.
Lowton 6
Long 5
Mee 8 mom vital tackles and interceptions
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 8 best forward we have at the moment. Real handful and great goal and touches.
Hendrick 5
Vokes 4 thought Sam was way off the page and offered nothing. Lumbering springs to mind.
Wells 6
Lowton 6
Long 5
Mee 8 mom vital tackles and interceptions
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 8 best forward we have at the moment. Real handful and great goal and touches.
Hendrick 5
Vokes 4 thought Sam was way off the page and offered nothing. Lumbering springs to mind.
Wells 6
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Pope 5 (kicking and save to goal ratio)
Lowton 7
Mee 7
Long 6
Taylor 6
Cork 7
Westwood 6
Gudmundsson 7
Barnes 8
Vokes 6
Hendrick 6
Wells 5
A superb performance until an outrageously poor piece of refereeing that resulted in sheer cobra-like ruthlessness from City. Not more to say really, we did really well until then and look the 7th best side in England.
Lowton 7
Mee 7
Long 6
Taylor 6
Cork 7
Westwood 6
Gudmundsson 7
Barnes 8
Vokes 6
Hendrick 6
Wells 5
A superb performance until an outrageously poor piece of refereeing that resulted in sheer cobra-like ruthlessness from City. Not more to say really, we did really well until then and look the 7th best side in England.
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 5
Lowton 6
Long 8
Mee 8
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Hendrick 6
Westwood 7
Cork 7
Vokes 6
Barnes 8
Wells 6
Lowton 6
Long 8
Mee 8
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Hendrick 6
Westwood 7
Cork 7
Vokes 6
Barnes 8
Wells 6
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Pope 5
Lowton 7
Taylor 5
Mee 7
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 3
Barnes 7
Vokes 4
Wells 4
Lowton 7
Taylor 5
Mee 7
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 3
Barnes 7
Vokes 4
Wells 4
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Largely agree with clarettony here. However we can react to them and some didn’t
Pope 3 as some have said I’d like someone to talk me through the decision for 4th. Kicking appalling
Lowton 6 did well against onslaught
Long 4 he’ll battle but it’s too far
Mee 6 although want to 1st. If he’s switched off -100
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 7
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
Pope 3 as some have said I’d like someone to talk me through the decision for 4th. Kicking appalling
Lowton 6 did well against onslaught
Long 4 he’ll battle but it’s too far
Mee 6 although want to 1st. If he’s switched off -100
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 7
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
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Pope 5- exposed but played his part in 4th error strewn goal
Lowton 4- poor on at least 2 of goals.
Mee 5- what was he thinking when allowing aguerro to run off him for equaliser.
Long 5- no coincidence we look shaky when he's playing (huddersfield) apart.
Taylor 6- kept Sterling quiet in first Half.
Westwood 6- some tidy play could have been in game more.
Cork 5- not sure if he is playing with a knock but not as influential recently. To question his place in our team is bizzare (Steve eyre).
Gudmondson 7- threat when on the ball.
Hendrick 4- apart from one run where he didn't have a clue and caught in possession might as well watched game in stands. Not sure his best position or role.
Vokes 6- held ball up and won fair share of headers. Needs more crosses to be at his best.
Barnes 7- good finish and has provided more end product than all forwards this season.
Not being negative with any of the marks, just being constructive though we played the English galacticos
Lowton 4- poor on at least 2 of goals.
Mee 5- what was he thinking when allowing aguerro to run off him for equaliser.
Long 5- no coincidence we look shaky when he's playing (huddersfield) apart.
Taylor 6- kept Sterling quiet in first Half.
Westwood 6- some tidy play could have been in game more.
Cork 5- not sure if he is playing with a knock but not as influential recently. To question his place in our team is bizzare (Steve eyre).
Gudmondson 7- threat when on the ball.
Hendrick 4- apart from one run where he didn't have a clue and caught in possession might as well watched game in stands. Not sure his best position or role.
Vokes 6- held ball up and won fair share of headers. Needs more crosses to be at his best.
Barnes 7- good finish and has provided more end product than all forwards this season.
Not being negative with any of the marks, just being constructive though we played the English galacticos
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Don't really understand all the low scores given who we were playing:
Pope - 5 - poor kicking and clearly at fault for the 4th goal
Lowton - 6 - not the best of returns, but up against some of the best performers in Europe!
Mee - 7 - MOM - don't agree he was at fault for the first goal, he is the quickest to see what is happening and the only one to respond
Long - 6 - thought he did okay
Taylor - 6 - got skinned a few times, but again look who he was facing
JBG - 7 - our only real creative outlet
Cork - 6 - still looks off his game
Westwood - 6 - did okay, his first start for a while
Hendrick - 6 - disappointed he didn't do better in a more traditional role
Barnes - 7 - thought he held up the ball quite well and took the goal very well
Vokes - 6 - not assertive enough
subs - 6 - no real impact.
Pope - 5 - poor kicking and clearly at fault for the 4th goal
Lowton - 6 - not the best of returns, but up against some of the best performers in Europe!
Mee - 7 - MOM - don't agree he was at fault for the first goal, he is the quickest to see what is happening and the only one to respond
Long - 6 - thought he did okay
Taylor - 6 - got skinned a few times, but again look who he was facing
JBG - 7 - our only real creative outlet
Cork - 6 - still looks off his game
Westwood - 6 - did okay, his first start for a while
Hendrick - 6 - disappointed he didn't do better in a more traditional role
Barnes - 7 - thought he held up the ball quite well and took the goal very well
Vokes - 6 - not assertive enough
subs - 6 - no real impact.
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A surprisingly enjoyable afternoon for a 4-1 defeat. Cup tie occasion with 7,600 travelling fans, and for nearly an hour, we were bang in the game.
Pope - 6 - Not much he could do about the first 3 goals, but caught out by the fourth. In truth, otherwise not that much to do at all. One thing I do wonder about with Pope is the extent he makes the goal small when a player is through one v one, but given how good in that situation City are that's not really a criticism of him today.
Lowton - 7 - Showed in the first half what we've missed with a really composed defensive performance mixed with some really smooth attacking play and passing out of defence - on another day, he'd have probably have had an assist when Vokes missed a free header from a delicious cross. Less impressive in the second half, when he was caught out for City's second and. to a lesser extent, their fourth - although by then we were throwing caution to the wind.
Taylor - 6 - Did a pretty good job defensively against Sterling, particularly when Barnes didn't always give him the support he might normally expect. Still doesn't show the confidence and drive in possession and attack that we really need from left back, and in particular can be a touch tentative, but he's still feeling his way and this will come.
Long - 7 - Got sucked in tight a couple of times, notably for City's second goal, but generally stood up to the test pretty well.
Mee - 7 - One of a number of players caught out for their equaliser, and perhaps the most culpable given he's the organiser-in-chief, but otherwise pretty good.
Westwood - 8 - he's been unlucky not to get more game time this season with an excellent performance marred only by the posturing before City's equaliser which ultimately served to hinder us significantly more than them. But showed real quality on the ball, got stuck in and got around the pitch really effectively too.
Cork - 8 - Looked leggy towards the end, but until then back to something his best - really disciplined, but relishing the opportunity to press up and get right in the faces of City when it was on.
Hendrick - 7 - Really good in the first half when it was his pressing above all else that kept getting us right up the pitch and in City's faces - most obviously evidenced when he forced the cheap corner from which Mee headed back across goal. We managed this less in the second half but he still produced two or three really good, surging runs in possession which might have unlocked things for us had he had more support.
JBG - 7 - Really good, neat and tidy first half in particular.
Barnes - 8 - Took his goal with aplomb and showed he's still a useful option for us playing from the left - his aerial presence gave us a good alternative first phase forward ball.
Vokes - 7 - Held the ball up under pressure better than any Burnley forward has all season, although he lacks the threat in behind that Wood and to a lesser extent Barnes offer. Should have scored in the first half when he failed to get a meaningful contact on a free header from a glorious Lowton cross.
Wells - 6 - Lively enough and got in behind a couple of times to worry City, although there wasn't a huge amount of end product.
These are high ratings for a 4-1 defeat, largely because this wasn't really a 4-1 defeat. The last two goals aren't ones we'd have conceded in a league game - they were a consequence of the need to roll the dice in a one-off cup tie. Generally, this was a really good defensive performance - I doubt there are many, if any, games, this season in which City have been restricted to 5 shots on target at home, and apart from Sane's miss at 2-1, it isn't like City missed the target when it was gaping on any other occasion. Of course, we weren't exactly rampant at the other end, but in the first half in particular, we had other chances to score goals (notably a free header that Vokes inexplicably missed completely and Mee's header from a corner) and even in the second half we had a few half sights of goal. City are a fabulous team, but by pressing them high, defending with discipline when we had to and taking our chances to attack, we gave them a real fright today.
The slight disappointment is that we allowed ourselves to once again be undone by a basic set piece, and then allowed ourselves to be on the ropes for 10 minutes afterwards that determined the game.
Pope - 6 - Not much he could do about the first 3 goals, but caught out by the fourth. In truth, otherwise not that much to do at all. One thing I do wonder about with Pope is the extent he makes the goal small when a player is through one v one, but given how good in that situation City are that's not really a criticism of him today.
Lowton - 7 - Showed in the first half what we've missed with a really composed defensive performance mixed with some really smooth attacking play and passing out of defence - on another day, he'd have probably have had an assist when Vokes missed a free header from a delicious cross. Less impressive in the second half, when he was caught out for City's second and. to a lesser extent, their fourth - although by then we were throwing caution to the wind.
Taylor - 6 - Did a pretty good job defensively against Sterling, particularly when Barnes didn't always give him the support he might normally expect. Still doesn't show the confidence and drive in possession and attack that we really need from left back, and in particular can be a touch tentative, but he's still feeling his way and this will come.
Long - 7 - Got sucked in tight a couple of times, notably for City's second goal, but generally stood up to the test pretty well.
Mee - 7 - One of a number of players caught out for their equaliser, and perhaps the most culpable given he's the organiser-in-chief, but otherwise pretty good.
Westwood - 8 - he's been unlucky not to get more game time this season with an excellent performance marred only by the posturing before City's equaliser which ultimately served to hinder us significantly more than them. But showed real quality on the ball, got stuck in and got around the pitch really effectively too.
Cork - 8 - Looked leggy towards the end, but until then back to something his best - really disciplined, but relishing the opportunity to press up and get right in the faces of City when it was on.
Hendrick - 7 - Really good in the first half when it was his pressing above all else that kept getting us right up the pitch and in City's faces - most obviously evidenced when he forced the cheap corner from which Mee headed back across goal. We managed this less in the second half but he still produced two or three really good, surging runs in possession which might have unlocked things for us had he had more support.
JBG - 7 - Really good, neat and tidy first half in particular.
Barnes - 8 - Took his goal with aplomb and showed he's still a useful option for us playing from the left - his aerial presence gave us a good alternative first phase forward ball.
Vokes - 7 - Held the ball up under pressure better than any Burnley forward has all season, although he lacks the threat in behind that Wood and to a lesser extent Barnes offer. Should have scored in the first half when he failed to get a meaningful contact on a free header from a glorious Lowton cross.
Wells - 6 - Lively enough and got in behind a couple of times to worry City, although there wasn't a huge amount of end product.
These are high ratings for a 4-1 defeat, largely because this wasn't really a 4-1 defeat. The last two goals aren't ones we'd have conceded in a league game - they were a consequence of the need to roll the dice in a one-off cup tie. Generally, this was a really good defensive performance - I doubt there are many, if any, games, this season in which City have been restricted to 5 shots on target at home, and apart from Sane's miss at 2-1, it isn't like City missed the target when it was gaping on any other occasion. Of course, we weren't exactly rampant at the other end, but in the first half in particular, we had other chances to score goals (notably a free header that Vokes inexplicably missed completely and Mee's header from a corner) and even in the second half we had a few half sights of goal. City are a fabulous team, but by pressing them high, defending with discipline when we had to and taking our chances to attack, we gave them a real fright today.
The slight disappointment is that we allowed ourselves to once again be undone by a basic set piece, and then allowed ourselves to be on the ropes for 10 minutes afterwards that determined the game.
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Pope 6 (unlike some on here I think he's actually better than Sir Tom, BUT today his kicking was rubbish and he messed up his audition for "Strictly" when conceding the 4th goal)
Lowton 6
Long 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6
Cork 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 5 (he actually got a berth in midfield which is his preferred position and was STILL largely anonymous)
Westwood 6
Barnes 7* MOM (what a finish!)
Vokes 6
Wells 7 (looked lively in a dead rubber)
Walters 5
As stated above, played really well for an hour, but let it slip with a sucker goal which floored us and imo the ref shouldn't have allowed anyway. After that we were never in it which shows how quickly a game can change and how potent City are. Without that equalising goal at that point who knows? Acquitted ourselves well overall.
Lowton 6
Long 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6
Cork 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 5 (he actually got a berth in midfield which is his preferred position and was STILL largely anonymous)
Westwood 6
Barnes 7* MOM (what a finish!)
Vokes 6
Wells 7 (looked lively in a dead rubber)
Walters 5
As stated above, played really well for an hour, but let it slip with a sucker goal which floored us and imo the ref shouldn't have allowed anyway. After that we were never in it which shows how quickly a game can change and how potent City are. Without that equalising goal at that point who knows? Acquitted ourselves well overall.
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On a point of order, Hendrick played exactly the same role today he's been in for most of the season. He was the closest to Vokes most of the time, but sometimes covered on either flank (particularly the left given it was Barnes who was out there) when that wide player came inside.Dark Cloud wrote:Pope 6 (unlike some on here I think he's actually better than Sir Tom, BUT today his kicking was rubbish and he messed up his audition for "Strictly" when conceding the 4th goal)
Lowton 6
Long 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6
Cork 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 5 (he actually got a berth in midfield which is his preferred position and was STILL largely anonymous)
Westwood 6
Barnes 7* MOM (what a finish!)
Vokes 6
Wells 7 (looked lively in a dead rubber)
Walters 5
As stated above, played really well for an hour, but let it slip with a sucker goal which floored us and imo the ref shouldn't have allowed anyway. After that we were never in it which shows how quickly a game can change and how potent City are. Without that equalising goal at that point who knows? Acquitted ourselves well overall.
As for the specifics of his performance, its a waste of time trying to argue with marks on that, that's a matter of opinion.
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Fair enough, Spice, but with Barnes AND Vokes on I felt Hendrick was (at last) playing as a "proper" midfielder and I had high hopes. I know he was against the best team in the country, but I was still rather disappointed tbh. He's a big unit and he's so easily dispossessed.claretspice wrote:On a point of order, Hendrick played exactly the same role today he's been in for most of the season. He was the closest to Vokes most of the time, but sometimes covered on either flank (particularly the left given it was Barnes who was out there) when that wide player came inside.
As for the specifics of his performance, its a waste of time trying to argue with marks on that, that's a matter of opinion.
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I doubt he lost the ball more than anyone else, but each to their own. He was dispossessed a couple of times in the second half when he was desperately looking for a pass but nothing was on.
EDIT - just checked the scores on whoscored.com - he was dispossessed the same number of times as Cork and JBG (3 - two of those being the occasions I mentioned when he was surging forward in possession and no pass was on, which is what I'd hope most of us would want our players to do - go forward and try and make things happen). For those saying he was anonymous again, he had more touches today than any Burnley player apart from Lowton and Westwood - not that this is a great measure, given it doesn't show pressing and other off the ball work, which is an area in which Hendrick tends to be very important to us. He also won as many aerial duels as Barnes, which surprised me a touch.
EDIT - just checked the scores on whoscored.com - he was dispossessed the same number of times as Cork and JBG (3 - two of those being the occasions I mentioned when he was surging forward in possession and no pass was on, which is what I'd hope most of us would want our players to do - go forward and try and make things happen). For those saying he was anonymous again, he had more touches today than any Burnley player apart from Lowton and Westwood - not that this is a great measure, given it doesn't show pressing and other off the ball work, which is an area in which Hendrick tends to be very important to us. He also won as many aerial duels as Barnes, which surprised me a touch.
Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
While Pope has been excellent and solid, he dosnt make the same amount of saves (that you don't expect him to save) like Heaton was doing last season. Heaton of last year might have saved 3 of city's goals today! I find it strange people think Pope is better.
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 6
Lowton 7
Taylor 6
Mee 7
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 8
JBG 7
Hendrick 6
Barnes 7
Vokes 5
Wells 6
Lowton 7
Taylor 6
Mee 7
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 8
JBG 7
Hendrick 6
Barnes 7
Vokes 5
Wells 6
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I called Pope's kicking back in pre-season. Nowhere near good enough for a Premier League keeper.
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WHY? when we lose does there HAVE to be a SCAPEGOAT?
Sometimes the other side is better!.........Our players always give their all....and that's enough for me.
These are the BEST of times.....STOP complaining!
I think City's first goal was bad sportsmanship....we don't do that.....I'm glad we don't.
City's right back Danilo could/should have been sent off for his two footed tackle on Barnes & slap on the chest (other way round he'd have been off). Two minutes later Danilo is rolling around on the ground after a NO CONTACT close coming together with Barnes, obviously trying to get him sent off......We don't do that either...and i'm glad!
I'm coming up on 50 years as a Clarets fan and THIS is my favourite team EVER!.......They make me proud....and you should be too!
Sometimes the other side is better!.........Our players always give their all....and that's enough for me.
These are the BEST of times.....STOP complaining!
I think City's first goal was bad sportsmanship....we don't do that.....I'm glad we don't.
City's right back Danilo could/should have been sent off for his two footed tackle on Barnes & slap on the chest (other way round he'd have been off). Two minutes later Danilo is rolling around on the ground after a NO CONTACT close coming together with Barnes, obviously trying to get him sent off......We don't do that either...and i'm glad!
I'm coming up on 50 years as a Clarets fan and THIS is my favourite team EVER!.......They make me proud....and you should be too!
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 6
Lowton 7
Mee 7
Long 7
Taylor 6
JBG 7
Cork 6
Hendrick 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 8
Vokes 7
Wells 6
Lowton 7
Mee 7
Long 7
Taylor 6
JBG 7
Cork 6
Hendrick 6
Westwood 7
Barnes 8
Vokes 7
Wells 6
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Agree with Taffy's sentiments. We forget how good City are. Looking forward to Wood, Ward getting back in team with hopefully a pacey genuine wide player coming in. Up front is where we are lacking despite Barnsey's fabulous few games recently. He must be bruised and knackered.
Sadly Vokes, Walters and Wells are not the type of PL players coming off the bench that have defenders getting worried. We have a few tough games coming up but if we can get our injured players back soon and maintain the defensive resoluteness then the points will start to come. Thank heavens for a wonderful first half to the campaign
Sadly Vokes, Walters and Wells are not the type of PL players coming off the bench that have defenders getting worried. We have a few tough games coming up but if we can get our injured players back soon and maintain the defensive resoluteness then the points will start to come. Thank heavens for a wonderful first half to the campaign
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 7
Lowton 7
Long 8
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Gudmundsson 8
Cork 7
Westwood 8 Mom
Barnes 8
Hendrick 6
Vokes 7
Wells 7
Lowton 7
Long 8
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Gudmundsson 8
Cork 7
Westwood 8 Mom
Barnes 8
Hendrick 6
Vokes 7
Wells 7
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope - 5 thought he could have done better with two of the goals, the 4th especially. Otherwise, bizarrely, he had nothing to do.
Lowton - 6 kept sane quiet until that ball inside did for him again.
Long - 6
Mee - 6
Taylor - 6
Gudmundsson - 7 showed a bit of quality and was involved in our better moment's going forward
Cork - 6 better than he has been in recent weeks
Westwood - 7 very decent game considering how little he's played
Barnes - 7 Ashley loves a ball that sits up like that
Hendrick - 6
Vokes - 6
Wells - 6
A real shame this as we've played really well for about an hour, then they've been gifted an equaliser by yet another weak, not fit for purpose referee and they've got the momentum back and taken advantage.
Their second and third goals were brilliant moves but they wouldn't have had their tails up like they did if they hadn't been helped by the ref. And therein lies the problem; they don't need that help, they're the best team in the country by miles so when they're getting assistance like that, we've no chance.
That's a huge positive for us though. That's twice this season they've not been able to break us down without the officials helping them. Hopefully we'll get the assistance in the 3rd game.
Lowton - 6 kept sane quiet until that ball inside did for him again.
Long - 6
Mee - 6
Taylor - 6
Gudmundsson - 7 showed a bit of quality and was involved in our better moment's going forward
Cork - 6 better than he has been in recent weeks
Westwood - 7 very decent game considering how little he's played
Barnes - 7 Ashley loves a ball that sits up like that
Hendrick - 6
Vokes - 6
Wells - 6
A real shame this as we've played really well for about an hour, then they've been gifted an equaliser by yet another weak, not fit for purpose referee and they've got the momentum back and taken advantage.
Their second and third goals were brilliant moves but they wouldn't have had their tails up like they did if they hadn't been helped by the ref. And therein lies the problem; they don't need that help, they're the best team in the country by miles so when they're getting assistance like that, we've no chance.
That's a huge positive for us though. That's twice this season they've not been able to break us down without the officials helping them. Hopefully we'll get the assistance in the 3rd game.
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claretspice wrote:I doubt he lost the ball more than anyone else, but each to their own. He was dispossessed a couple of times in the second half when he was desperately looking for a pass but nothing was on.
EDIT - just checked the scores on whoscored.com - he was dispossessed the same number of times as Cork and JBG (3 - two of those being the occasions I mentioned when he was surging forward in possession and no pass was on, which is what I'd hope most of us would want our players to do - go forward and try and make things happen). For those saying he was anonymous again, he had more touches today than any Burnley player apart from Lowton and Westwood - not that this is a great measure, given it doesn't show pressing and other off the ball work, which is an area in which Hendrick tends to be very important to us. He also won as many aerial duels as Barnes, which surprised me a touch.
If you never watched Burnley and just went off Spices posts you would imagine Hendrick to play like a white prime Yaya Toure
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Great post from Taffy ,especially at that time in the morning.
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Pope 6
Lowton 7
Taylor 7
Mee 8*
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 6
Barnes 7
Vokes 6
Wells 6
Excellent defensively first half (saw somewhere that they had no shots on target) and we were well in the game until the referee decided to give them a hand. Lost our heads for a few minutes after that (loved the sarcastic applause from our players to the referee when he pulled a City free kick back in their own half for being taken too quickly about 10 minutes after their first). We threw caution to the wind after that, finishing playing 4-2-4. Nowt wrong with that. Good day out, bit of cash and a few Saturdays off over the remainder of the season.
Lowton 7
Taylor 7
Mee 8*
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 6
Barnes 7
Vokes 6
Wells 6
Excellent defensively first half (saw somewhere that they had no shots on target) and we were well in the game until the referee decided to give them a hand. Lost our heads for a few minutes after that (loved the sarcastic applause from our players to the referee when he pulled a City free kick back in their own half for being taken too quickly about 10 minutes after their first). We threw caution to the wind after that, finishing playing 4-2-4. Nowt wrong with that. Good day out, bit of cash and a few Saturdays off over the remainder of the season.
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Pope 6
Lowton 6 Loved him in the 1st half but showed his weaknesses in the 2nd
Long 7 MOM solid
Mee 6
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7 a good `un
Cork 6 really needed a rest
Hendrick 5 he was literally hamstrung from the 50th minute onwards
Westwood 6 very neat and tidy then got sloppy
Barnes 7 super 1st, isolated 2nd
Vokes 7
Seem low on reflection but c`est la vie.
Lowton 6 Loved him in the 1st half but showed his weaknesses in the 2nd
Long 7 MOM solid
Mee 6
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 7 a good `un
Cork 6 really needed a rest
Hendrick 5 he was literally hamstrung from the 50th minute onwards
Westwood 6 very neat and tidy then got sloppy
Barnes 7 super 1st, isolated 2nd
Vokes 7
Seem low on reflection but c`est la vie.
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
As per usual an easy to accept summary, especially regards Lowton.claretspice wrote:A surprisingly enjoyable afternoon for a 4-1 defeat. Cup tie occasion with 7,600 travelling fans, and for nearly an hour, we were bang in the game.
Pope - 6 - Not much he could do about the first 3 goals, but caught out by the fourth. In truth, otherwise not that much to do at all. One thing I do wonder about with Pope is the extent he makes the goal small when a player is through one v one, but given how good in that situation City are that's not really a criticism of him today.
Lowton - 7 - Showed in the first half what we've missed with a really composed defensive performance mixed with some really smooth attacking play and passing out of defence - on another day, he'd have probably have had an assist when Vokes missed a free header from a delicious cross. Less impressive in the second half, when he was caught out for City's second and. to a lesser extent, their fourth - although by then we were throwing caution to the wind.
Taylor - 6 - Did a pretty good job defensively against Sterling, particularly when Barnes didn't always give him the support he might normally expect. Still doesn't show the confidence and drive in possession and attack that we really need from left back, and in particular can be a touch tentative, but he's still feeling his way and this will come.
Long - 7 - Got sucked in tight a couple of times, notably for City's second goal, but generally stood up to the test pretty well.
Mee - 7 - One of a number of players caught out for their equaliser, and perhaps the most culpable given he's the organiser-in-chief, but otherwise pretty good.
Westwood - 8 - he's been unlucky not to get more game time this season with an excellent performance marred only by the posturing before City's equaliser which ultimately served to hinder us significantly more than them. But showed real quality on the ball, got stuck in and got around the pitch really effectively too.
Cork - 8 - Looked leggy towards the end, but until then back to something his best - really disciplined, but relishing the opportunity to press up and get right in the faces of City when it was on.
Hendrick - 7 - Really good in the first half when it was his pressing above all else that kept getting us right up the pitch and in City's faces - most obviously evidenced when he forced the cheap corner from which Mee headed back across goal. We managed this less in the second half but he still produced two or three really good, surging runs in possession which might have unlocked things for us had he had more support.
JBG - 7 - Really good, neat and tidy first half in particular.
Barnes - 8 - Took his goal with aplomb and showed he's still a useful option for us playing from the left - his aerial presence gave us a good alternative first phase forward ball.
Vokes - 7 - Held the ball up under pressure better than any Burnley forward has all season, although he lacks the threat in behind that Wood and to a lesser extent Barnes offer. Should have scored in the first half when he failed to get a meaningful contact on a free header from a glorious Lowton cross.
Wells - 6 - Lively enough and got in behind a couple of times to worry City, although there wasn't a huge amount of end product.
These are high ratings for a 4-1 defeat, largely because this wasn't really a 4-1 defeat. The last two goals aren't ones we'd have conceded in a league game - they were a consequence of the need to roll the dice in a one-off cup tie. Generally, this was a really good defensive performance - I doubt there are many, if any, games, this season in which City have been restricted to 5 shots on target at home, and apart from Sane's miss at 2-1, it isn't like City missed the target when it was gaping on any other occasion. Of course, we weren't exactly rampant at the other end, but in the first half in particular, we had other chances to score goals (notably a free header that Vokes inexplicably missed completely and Mee's header from a corner) and even in the second half we had a few half sights of goal. City are a fabulous team, but by pressing them high, defending with discipline when we had to and taking our chances to attack, we gave them a real fright today.
The slight disappointment is that we allowed ourselves to once again be undone by a basic set piece, and then allowed ourselves to be on the ropes for 10 minutes afterwards that determined the game.
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Nah- no-one suggests hes perfect and cant improve. But I do think a certain perception of Hendrick has taken root and it's resulting in a negativity about his performances that isn't really justified. Those stats demonstrate the point to an extent. He wasn't perfect yesterday, but he wasn't anonymous and the stats don't back up the assertion he was dispossessed weakly more than is acceptable - they indicate he lost the ball once with his back to goal in the 90 minutes.claretcarrot93 wrote:If you never watched Burnley and just went off Spices posts you would imagine Hendrick to play like a white prime Yaya Toure
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Pope 5 Worst game so far by some distance
Lowton 5 Rusty
Mee 7
Long 6
Taylor 5 I never realized how good Ward was. Taylor will be excellent but not ready yet
JBG 6 Looked tired
Westwood 6
Barnes 8 Great goal and gave 100% as always
Vokes 6 Won his fair share of headers and was wrongly given offside in second half.
We had a great first half then Ref offered City a life line which they quickly accepted. Not unhappy to be out, our squad is over stretched without extra games
Lowton 5 Rusty
Mee 7
Long 6
Taylor 5 I never realized how good Ward was. Taylor will be excellent but not ready yet
JBG 6 Looked tired
Westwood 6
Barnes 8 Great goal and gave 100% as always
Vokes 6 Won his fair share of headers and was wrongly given offside in second half.
We had a great first half then Ref offered City a life line which they quickly accepted. Not unhappy to be out, our squad is over stretched without extra games
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I'm going to be completely fair to the chap and spend the next few games watching him very closely, because you may well be right and perceptions of him are becoming embedded and may be unfair. At present I see a lot of running and plenty of commitment, but not much end product (George Boyd???) But as I say I WILL pay attention and hopefully eat humble pie.claretspice wrote:Nah- no-one suggests hes perfect and cant improve. But I do think a certain perception of Hendrick has taken root and it's resulting in a negativity about his performances that isn't really justified. Those stats demonstrate the point to an extent. He wasn't perfect yesterday, but he wasn't anonymous and the stats don't back up the assertion he was dispossessed weakly more than is acceptable - they indicate he lost the ball once with his back to goal in the 90 minutes.
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Fair play. As I say, I'm not suggesting he's flawless or the finished article. When we do get penned back into two banks of 4 and punt it long, he's ordinary with his back to goal - but actually yesterday (perhaps because Barnes took the pressure off him) we didn't do that much. Of course, he can drift in and out of games a bit because it's the nature of that role in a team which doesn't dominate the ball (although I think his movement could improve). But more particularly, when we let him drive with the ball, he commits defenders, and when he gets the chance to pass forwards he does so effectively and quickly. As we get better in possession, and as his movement improves (and it has through the season), I think he'll continue to emerge as a player for us.Dark Cloud wrote:I'm going to be completely fair to the chap and spend the next few games watching him very closely, because you may well be right and perceptions of him are becoming embedded and may be unfair. At present I see a lot of running and plenty of commitment, but not much end product (George Boyd???) But as I say I WILL pay attention and hopefully eat humble pie.
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TBH, SD believes in Hendrick and that's good enough for me.
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Pope 4- knocked 2 points off for that massive blunder. otherwise he would off got 6
Lowton 6- Just scraped a 6 bit slow to react at times
Long 6- Solid as can be against the top Quality of City's best.
Mee 7- Good Solid performance as we have come to expect
Taylor 6 -steady performance not yet as good as Ward.
Gudmundsson 7- What a great player this lad is proving to be.
Cork 7 - showed touches of class today.
Westwood 8- Wow keep knocking at the door Ashley
Barnes 8- Hero what a goal gives everything this lad
Hendrick 6- nearly gave him a 5 but not being played in his best position for me.
Vokes 6 -Gives his best not to far over from one of his trade mark headers.
Wells 5
Walters 4
Lowton 6- Just scraped a 6 bit slow to react at times
Long 6- Solid as can be against the top Quality of City's best.
Mee 7- Good Solid performance as we have come to expect
Taylor 6 -steady performance not yet as good as Ward.
Gudmundsson 7- What a great player this lad is proving to be.
Cork 7 - showed touches of class today.
Westwood 8- Wow keep knocking at the door Ashley
Barnes 8- Hero what a goal gives everything this lad
Hendrick 6- nearly gave him a 5 but not being played in his best position for me.
Vokes 6 -Gives his best not to far over from one of his trade mark headers.
Wells 5
Walters 4
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Re: Manchester City v Burnley - Player Ratings
Not a bad game to be fair, but City are very, very, very good and we'd have been struggling even with a 100% full side out
Pope 6
Lowton 6
Long 6
Mee 7
Taylor 6
JBG 6
Cork 6
Westwood 7*
Barnes 7
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
Subs poor, but they had no chance really.
Pope 6
Lowton 6
Long 6
Mee 7
Taylor 6
JBG 6
Cork 6
Westwood 7*
Barnes 7
Hendrick 6
Vokes 6
Subs poor, but they had no chance really.
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Pope 5
Lowton 5
Taylor 7
Mee 7
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 6
Barnes 8*
Vokes 6
Wells 5
Walters 5
Lowton 5
Taylor 7
Mee 7
Long 7
Cork 7
Westwood 7
JBG 7
Hendrick 6
Barnes 8*
Vokes 6
Wells 5
Walters 5
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Pope 6
Lowton 7
Long 7
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 7
Westwood 8
Barnes 9
Hendrick 7
Vokes 7
Wells 6
Great first half and never gave up. I'll not Mark down such commitment.
Lowton 7
Long 7
Mee 8
Taylor 7
Gudmundsson 7
Cork 7
Westwood 8
Barnes 9
Hendrick 7
Vokes 7
Wells 6
Great first half and never gave up. I'll not Mark down such commitment.