mini crisis

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:03 pm

As long as we start two front men who average about 7 goals a season at this level we will struggle to score. Thankfully when we do we win.
Bad day at the office take it on the strong jaw and move on.

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:05 pm

I can see us finishing 14-16th if this run continues. I know the injuries have screwed us. But something just isn't there any more.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:15 pm

BobSykes wrote:I can see us finishing 14-16th if this run continues. I know the injuries have screwed us. But something just isn't there any more.

I think there are two major issues: tiredness and injuries.
The real problem being that for various reasons our stand-ins do not come close to the standard of our best eleven; it really is that simple.
Personally I'd like to see more squad rotation now, we will not have to fight for survival, just to find out if any of our fringe players can actually do a decent job for us.

claretman1 · Post by **claretman1** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:19 pm

Next points 24th Feb.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:30 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I think there are two major issues: tiredness and injuries.
The real problem being that for various reasons our stand-ins do not come close to the standard of our best eleven; it really is that simple.
Personally I'd like to see more squad rotation now, we will not have to fight for survival, just to find out if any of our fringe players can actually do a decent job for us.

There's a third major problem: the fixtures. Of the last 7 games, 5 have been away, and the home games were against Liverpool and Tottenham. (Liverpool unbeaten in 17 games, Tottenham lost 1 in 10 and that was away to Man City.) We've played away to Man City, who are unbeaten; Man United, unbeaten at home except by Man City; Crystal Palace, lost 1 of 13; Huddersfield, who until today had lost at home only to Man City, Spurs, and Chelsea; Brighton, who've lost at home only to Man City and Liverpool.

Obviously we want to win these matches. But every one of them was a tough match that we wouldn't be expected to win. bviously if we want to finish in the top 4 we need to win a few of them, and even for the top seven we would have hoped to grab a win; but it's by no means relegation form.

No doubt if we fail to beat both Man Utd and Man City in the next two home games the cries of doom and gloom will get worse.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:48 am

On a positive if we get the two Manchester clubs out of the way we will have played both of them plus Spurs and Liverpool both times. I guess it doesn't excuse a poor show v Palace, but presently their record is good too under Roy

One thing to bear in mind is that the previous 3 seasons in the PL (even with Coyle) the first half season results have been infinitely better in terms of points. We got a great series on 1-0 wins-wouldn't say we were lucky in these but we created few chances in most, the opposition failed with relatively easy chances and we stole a goal during the game to win the points. Palace at home, Brighton's missed penalty are two examples

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:02 am

Bottom in the form table at the moment.

OP isn't suggesting we are in a crisis, but a 'mini crisis,' which is probably accurate. If we continue as we've been going for the last 6 games we will just about break 40pts.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:13 am

mohamed69 wrote:Bottom in the form table at the moment.

OP isn't suggesting we are in a crisis, but a 'mini crisis,' which is probably accurate. If we continue as we've been going for the last 6 games we will just about break 40pts.

Which other poster do you masquerade as, out of interest?

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:17 am

Mohammed69. After 58 posts someone as finally understood my opening post.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:41 am

Big 4 letter words like 'mini' may be challenging for some on here.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:42 am

Spijed wrote:Which other poster do you masquerade as, out of interest?

I have another name I use sometimes during my frequent bans but it's nothing to do with genitals.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:44 am

mohamed69 wrote:Bottom in the form table at the moment.

OP isn't suggesting we are in a crisis, but a 'mini crisis,' which is probably accurate. If we continue as we've been going for the last 6 games we will just about break 40pts.

Or if we continue as we have for the last 23 games, we'll achieve 56 points.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:12 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Or if we continue as we have for the last 23 games, we'll achieve 56 points.

Again, hence why it's a 'mini' crisis

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:22 pm

dsr wrote:There's a third major problem: the fixtures. Of the last 7 games, 5 have been away, and the home games were against Liverpool and Tottenham. (Liverpool unbeaten in 17 games, Tottenham lost 1 in 10 and that was away to Man City.) We've played away to Man City, who are unbeaten; Man United, unbeaten at home except by Man City; Crystal Palace, lost 1 of 13; Huddersfield, who until today had lost at home only to Man City, Spurs, and Chelsea; Brighton, who've lost at home only to Man City and Liverpool.

Obviously we want to win these matches. But every one of them was a tough match that we wouldn't be expected to win. bviously if we want to finish in the top 4 we need to win a few of them, and even for the top seven we would have hoped to grab a win; but it's by no means relegation form.

No doubt if we fail to beat both Man Utd and Man City in the next two home games the cries of doom and gloom will get worse.

Don't hit them with stats and facts dsr they can't handle that, some posters would rather make stuff up and pass it off as fact

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:24 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Big 4 letter words like 'mini' may be challenging for some on here.

A big three letter word like 'Mee' is challenging for you.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:26 pm

mohamed69 wrote:Again, hence why it's a 'mini' crisis

But why even bother inserting the word crisis in the 1st instance?

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:27 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:But why even bother inserting the word crisis in the 1st instance?

Because some people are able to string two words together and understand the use of adjectives ?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:24 pm

because if you understand the word it is a crisis of sorts.
Crises are deemed to be negative changes in the security, economic, political, societal, or environmental affairs, especially when they occur abruptly, with little or no warning. More loosely, it is a term meaning "a testing time" or an "emergency event

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:47 pm

dsr wrote:There's a third major problem: the fixtures. Of the last 7 games, 5 have been away, and the home games were against Liverpool and Tottenham. (Liverpool unbeaten in 17 games, Tottenham lost 1 in 10 and that was away to Man City.) We've played away to Man City, who are unbeaten; Man United, unbeaten at home except by Man City; Crystal Palace, lost 1 of 13; Huddersfield, who until today had lost at home only to Man City, Spurs, and Chelsea; Brighton, who've lost at home only to Man City and Liverpool.

Obviously we want to win these matches. But every one of them was a tough match that we wouldn't be expected to win. bviously if we want to finish in the top 4 we need to win a few of them, and even for the top seven we would have hoped to grab a win; but it's by no means relegation form.

No doubt if we fail to beat both Man Utd and Man City in the next two home games the cries of doom and gloom will get worse.

The home vs. away point is somewhat irrelevant as our home and away form are similar this season.

The last 6 games have been against 3 difficult opponents (Utd, City, Spurs) and 3 we should've taken points from (Hudds, Brighton, Palace).

There's no explaining away the dip in form with contorted stats.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:16 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:A big three letter word like 'Mee' is challenging for you.

That doesn't really make any sense...

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:53 pm

mohamed69 wrote:The home vs. away point is somewhat irrelevant as our home and away form are similar this season.

The last 6 games have been against 3 difficult opponents (Utd, City, Spurs) and 3 we should've taken points from (Hudds, Brighton, Palace).

There's no explaining away the dip in form with contorted stats.

At risk of blinding you with facts yet again, of the three we should have taken points from, we did take points from two of them. So that gives you only one bad result in 6 (Palace) counterbalanced by what I hope you would agree was a good result away to Man United.

I note you left Liverpool off the list - would you have classed them as a difficult opponent, or as one we should have taken points off?

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:08 pm

dsr wrote:At risk of blinding you with facts yet again, of the three we should have taken points from, we did take points from two of them. So that gives you only one bad result in 6 (Palace) counterbalanced by what I hope you would agree was a good result away to Man United.

I note you left Liverpool off the list - would you have classed them as a difficult opponent, or as one we should have taken points off?

2pts from a possible 9. Great.

Yes I left Liverpool off by mistake, thanks.

Consider me blinded.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:11 pm

Instead of looking at a small sample of games and ignoring the ones that you don't like, just look at the big picture. Take a look at Burnley FC, the club, the facilities, the league position, and ask yourself "What has gone wrong".

If you have a sensible answer to that one, then let's try and solve the problem.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:37 pm

dsr wrote:Instead of looking at a small sample of games and ignoring the ones that you don't like, just look at the big picture. Take a look at Burnley FC, the club, the facilities, the league position, and ask yourself "What has gone wrong".

If you have a sensible answer to that one, then let's try and solve the problem.

I'm not ignoring anything. I swapped Liverpool for City in my list by mistake but, as another loss, it proves the exact same point. 3 points in 6 and last in the form table.

Big picture is fine, hence "mini". Why can't you seem to grasp that?

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:31 pm

We are two quality players away from a good run as we have bad injuries to good players, the board and club need to identify where we are lacking and invest a fair chunk of money in sorting it, job done, if only it was that easy!

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:23 pm

:But why even bother inserting the word crisis in the 1st instance?

With just mini in the title it wouldn't be the same would it?

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:57 pm

anyone like to change their opinion yet. 8 without a win now.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:02 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:anyone like to change their opinion yet. 8 without a win now.

Nope.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:08 pm

And it's a Nope from me also.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:10 pm

This whole ‘mini crisis’ started when people started singing about European Tours......!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:41 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:anyone like to change their opinion yet. 8 without a win now.

Nope from me too.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:44 pm

[quote="taio"]Nope from me too.

blinkered.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:46 pm

A most definite no from me too.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:47 pm

Nope. no crisis. We are just about to enter the 3rd section of our season given the way the fixtures were grouped. The super powers
bunched into the second one just completed today. We will probably start with a few draws and then get into our stride. 20 more
points.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:47 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:

No sort of crisis. Some decent performances against tough opposition. Anyhow, what a c0ck for getting pleasure out of keep bumping the thread.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:47 pm

If we are not comfortably passed 40 points after our next 6 games then I will agree that we have fallen away quite badly compared to our early season form. But, crisis, still an emphatic no.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:50 pm

no crisis at the moment given the teams we have had to pay in that run, I won't be best pleased of we don't get something at Newcastle though !

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:51 pm

Is it b0ll0cks.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:56 pm

8 games without a win. nothing else to add really.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:58 pm

How many wins were you expecting from these 8 games?

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:59 pm

No Crisis the effort there just lacking that cutting edge we will rise again.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:01 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:How many wins were you expecting from these 8 games?

at least 2. poor poor run. team looks tired. bad injuries to some in form players. dyche still picking out of form players. small squad and the squad players are not up to it unfortunatley. very important transfer window.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:03 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:at least 2. poor poor run. team looks tired. bad injuries to some in form players. dyche still picking out of form players. small squad and the squad players are not up to it unfortunatley. very important transfer window.

No doubt you probably think we could be in a relegation battle.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:03 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:at least 2. poor poor run. team looks tired. bad injuries to some in form players. dyche still picking out of form players. small squad and the squad players are not up to it unfortunatley. very important transfer window.

Which games?

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:36 pm

all our home games are winnable. fortruss TM

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:40 pm

Really unlucky today, selection was spot on. On another day we could have really got something from this game. No crisis as far as I'm concerned.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:46 pm

What bloody crisis?

Still in January and 3 pts could guarantee us premier league football for another season.

We played well today and I fully expect us to get back to winning ways at Newcastle and then start picking up points in the run in, to finish on a respectable 53pts

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:34 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:all our home games are winnable. fortruss TM

They are winnable bit if you expect us to beat spurs, Liverpool and man United, you need to be more realistic.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:43 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:all our home games are winnable. fortruss TM

Fortruss!!!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:06 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:anyone like to change their opinion yet. 8 without a win now.

No, no-one will be changing their opinion. The people who think we should expect to beat Man United already think we're a club in crisis; the people who don't think we have a God-given right to beat Man United won't have changed their minds after today.

At risk of once again trying to get some facts into that somewhat empty head of yours, pussy, Liverpool Tottenham & Man U have played 34 away league games this season. In the 9 they have played away to top-6 clubs, they have won 1 drawn 2 lost 6. In the 25 they have played away to the other 14 clubs, they have won 18, drawn 5, lost 2. Yes, all home games are winnable, so are all away games, but some are more likely to be won than others.

Normally I give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they genuinely do hold the views they claim to hold. I'm not good at spotting a troll. But seriously, do you genuinely believe that Burnley is a club in crisis? you're perfectly entitled to think that, though most of us would say the evidence is against you. Or are you just a massive waster of time and space?