potholes

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:28 pm

They are everywhere at the moment. the amount of money stolen from Motorists for years in road tax that went into the Government coffers and not the roads is a disgrace.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:29 pm

That's because they need to actually re-lay some roads instead of just filling in the holes.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:31 pm

The main road near us was totally relaid in the summer....it is now breaking up....I'm sure a road surface should last longer than six months!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:32 pm

It's the cowboys laying the black stuff that's the problem...big bucks for poor workmanship passed right down the chain...first man gets paid for doing nowt!

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:32 pm

potholes are usually repaired in a slap dash fashion

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:33 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:potholes are usually repaired in a slap dash fashion

You can't paper over the cracks.

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:34 pm

Absolutely spot on. If they were repaired properly then the repairs should last years instead of being back to square one the next winter.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:35 pm

Combination of things really.

Increased number of cars, lorries using roads that aren't designed to take large numbers of lorries, poor workmanship and the weather changes.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:35 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Combination of things really.

Increased number of cars, lorries using roads that aren't designed to take large numbers of lorries, poor workmanship and the weather changes.

But6 months??

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:36 pm

I think a 25% INCREASE IN COUNCIL TAX from this APRIL should go quite some way towards repairing these road

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:36 pm

Tories.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:37 pm

wickdkewlclaret wrote:Tories.

Are wankers!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:40 pm

Steve1956 wrote:But6 months??

With poor workmanship or materials yeah it's possible.

I think it was Newbury bypass that they declared wouldn't need re-laying for 10yrs, turns out it was half that time due to the number of heavy vehicles that used it etc.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:06 pm

The M65 between Burnley and Blackburn is full of quite deep potholes and pretty dangerous
if you happen to drive over one....almost impossible to see at night on the unlit sections.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:09 pm

I'm all for looking after the countries finances etc so have sympathy with the government trying to balance the books however driving in certain areas makes Britain feel like a third world country and it's not acceptable.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:50 pm

Could be worse........

I read the news today oh boy
Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many arseholes it takes to fill deadwood park.

ClaretJimmy · Post by **ClaretJimmy** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:54 pm

Done over £800 worth of damage to my car just last week. Keep an eye out if you're traveling over Green Sykes Rd towards Keighley. Someone was there again tonight with the AA van.

Claretitus · Post by **Claretitus** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:02 pm

on the West bound M62 near junctions 20 - 18, Rochdale to Simister Island, there have been roadworks for 3 years. All works now gone, as has the hard shoulder, its now a "smart" motorway, complete with huge pot-holes. ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:20 pm

I have never seen a pot in any hole in the road.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:22 pm

Get the spray paint out and draw some indecent cock and balls images.
It worked in one town, they filled them in pronto.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:34 pm

Once the respective Councils see claims coming in from motorists they'll start to do something about the roads.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:46 pm

Overloaded roads. Too many people in the country
Thank leftie Looney Blair for that
Too much of our money going abroad in aid. Thank Bob head Cameron for that and May. Our avenue is a disgrace. Hasn't been resurfaced in 40 years.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:50 pm

wickdkewlclaret wrote:Tories.

Right I'll vote for the terrorist loving anti British beared old cove in the Charity shop suit next time and I fully expect every road in Britian to be resurfaced every year without fail

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:58 pm

Rossendale Valley is an absolute joke, seriously disgraceful.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:59 pm

bfcjg wrote:I'm all for looking after the countries finances etc so have sympathy with the government trying to balance the books however driving in certain areas makes Britain feel like a third world country and it's not acceptable.

I got a book of facts recently. And it said that Ethiopia, The Phillipines and Sudan have better roads than England

SirAlec · Post by **SirAlec** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:05 pm

find a lot of the time they will spend 6 weeks re laying a road only to dig it up to lay pipe or new fibre optics

addisclaret · Post by **addisclaret** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:10 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I got a book of facts recently. And it said that Ethiopia, The Phillipines and Sudan have better roads than England

Having lived and worked in all 3 of those countries I could say that if you selectively pick certain roads then that claim would be true but taking an overall view, I would disagree. However any of the countries recognised by the UN must have better roads than Burnham Gate and the bit outside the gym there with the 4 foot pot hole that goes right drown to the original cobbles.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:27 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I got a book of facts recently. And it said that Ethiopia, The Phillipines and Sudan have better roads than England

Did Frank write it?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:27 pm

addisclaret wrote:Having lived and worked in all 3 of those countries I could say that if you selectively pick certain roads then that claim would be true but taking an overall view, I would disagree. However any of the countries recognised by the UN must have better roads than Burnham Gate and the bit outside the gym there with the 4 foot pot hole that goes right drown to the original cobbles.

I did take it with a pinch of salt but made me laugh!

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:32 pm

addisclaret · Post by **addisclaret** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:34 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I did take it with a pinch of salt but made me laugh!

A bag rather than a pinch of salt would help fill the one on Burnham Gate that I have to try to negotiate every morning in my special brew induced haze.

Highlighting what was said earlier though I would expect that the roads highlighted for their quality in Ethiopia and Sudan would be the key highways linking disparate areas that need possible quick military reaction times (cynical I know but we are talking about Africa,) and all the best roads in the Phils are toll roads so not really comparable.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:34 pm

= hotholes for claimant dross

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:36 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I did take it with a pinch of salt but made me laugh!

I miss cobbles.

Is picadilly rd still cobbled?

addisclaret · Post by **addisclaret** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:37 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:I miss cobbles.

Is picadilly rd still cobbled?

Yes but now full of parked cars from the train station but you still get that low frequency rumble driving along it.

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:38 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Rossendale Valley is an absolute joke, seriously disgraceful.

I've heard the roads are in a bad way also.

Goodnight god bless.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:15 am

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:54 am

Having lived in Thailand and travelled extensively I can safely say, in general, the roads are far better over there...

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:33 am

They’re just as bad in Suffolk too.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:47 am

wickdkewlclaret wrote:Tories.

Labour councils not repairing potholes so they can blame the Tory Government

Motorists paying the price for politics

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:01 am

If it be your will wrote:Just looking up the cost of road maintenance https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 712722.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and it appears to cost just over £15/year per person to maintain existing highways. (Or about £22/year per license holder. Or £40/year per car.) I wonder if spending twice this amount would essentially cure the problem, and would most license holders agree to pay the extra it if it did?

Do bad roads cause this much damage to cars per year? It must be close. (I'd pay it, I think.)

Do bad roads cause that much damage?
Yes and no.

Yes they can if the hole in the road is severe enough, BUT most cars are repaired using cheap parts which don't tend to last all that long compared to better quality products but it's easier to blame the roads.

BarstewardsEnquiry · Post by **BarstewardsEnquiry** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:24 am

ClaretJimmy wrote:Done over £800 worth of damage to my car just last week. Keep an eye out if you're traveling over Green Sykes Rd towards Keighley. Someone was there again tonight with the AA van.

I know exactly where you mean, someone at the side of the side of the road last night with a popped tyre. I went down it last week.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:34 am

Councils have warned that 2017 could be a "tipping point" for tackling potholes.

Analysis by the Local Government Association (LGA) showed the bill for repairing roads in England and Wales could reach £14bn within 2 years. This is several times more than councils' entire annual revenue spending on highways and transport which was £4.4bn in England during 2016.

LGA transport spokesman Martin Tett said "This year could be a tipping point point year regarding potholes. Councils have experienced significant budget reductions and cuts from Central Government and now face the looming prospect of a bill of £14bn to bring the nation's roads up to scratch. It is wrong that the Government allocates almost 40 times more to maintaining national roads, which it controls, compared with local roads, which are overseen by councils. It is paramount this funding discrepancy is swiftly plugged."

This funding discrepancy can only be plugged by Council Tax increases if Central Government is not prepared to put in the money required as it was unwilling to do for Social Care in 2017 and for Police in 2018 where Councils were asked to raise the required funds themselves.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:51 am

It's the damage to my suspension that gets me.
4 new struts, lower wishbone arms, top bearings....the lot.
About £400 down from memory....and how more cyclists aren't killed I don't know.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:56 am

pushpinpussy wrote:They are everywhere at the moment. the amount of money stolen from Motorists for years in road tax that went into the Government coffers and not the roads is a disgrace.

'road tax' doesn't exist. You pay Vehicle Excise Duty based on your car's emissions.

You pay for the upkeep in the roads through council tax.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:57 am

Bfcboyo wrote:I've heard the roads are in a bad way also.

Goodnight god bless.

Hook, line & sinker

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:00 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:It's the damage to my suspension that gets me.
4 new struts, lower wishbone arms, top bearings....the lot.
About £400 down from memory....and how more cyclists aren't killed I don't know.

My car used to drive beautifully, it wasn't long after taking it on my commute (Leicester to Nottingham) that it deteriorated quite rapidly.

Some of the roads in Nottingham are beyond horrific.

Complete set of lower arms, ARB drop links, ARB bushes, rear springs (broken), rear dampers - 400 odd quid in parts. That's just on this one.

I must have replaced the drop links 3 times in 4 years and full set of struts and springs on my previous car.

That's not to mention all the tyres that have picked up punctures...

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:06 am

In fact the whole transport infrastructure in this country is beyond a joke.

Who thought it would be a good idea to turn the hard shoulder into a lane. I mean really. Why not just do the job properly and add an extra two lanes. The M1 between J23-26 is just disgraceful, there a potholes you could bathe in.

In 5 years time they'll be digging up again to put an extra lane in anyway.

Espia · Post by **Espia** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:50 am

Been a regular visitor to Germany for the last 20 years and they have excellent roads that seem to last without the need for continual repair. Can only summise that we use inferior methods , equipment and materials to build them. Cheap road surfacing to the lowest bidder is false economy.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:36 am

Steve1956 wrote:Are wankers!

Labour spent virtually nothing on road repairs in the 13 years of power. Tories haven't been much better but that 13 years did the damage which is impossible to catch up with.
We will never have the quality of road surfaces we had 2 decades ago. Cluster bombed cart tracks are here to stay!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:37 am

CoolClaret wrote:Rossendale Valley is an absolute joke, seriously disgraceful.

Ooppps!