Has anybody decided to lose weight this year?

[FactualFrank]

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[Inchy]

I weigh myself daily. When I was going nuts on the diet in jan and feb I lost two stone. Some days I weighed more, some less, but the overall trend was going down.

Don’t see the harm in weighing yourself daily, unless you have a f*ck it attitude after a couple of unexpected readings.

[1968claret]

Clearly the way to lose weight is not spend your time arguing on a message board on the best way to lose weight. Instead get out and do some real exercise:)

Oh, and only eat Dust!

[FactualFrank]

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[Inchy]

Just to add....

I work on a gastroenterology ward. Many of the patients suffer from absorption issues. Weight loss is a serious issue, as is fluid retention. We weigh our patients daily.

If a patient loses or gains 1kg overnight it’s clearly fluid. That generally fluctuates but what the doctors are looking for is a trend.

You could say if your dieting for 2 years why weigh yourself weekly? It can fluctuate. Do it monthly instead.

It really doesn’t matter. As long as the overall trend is going In the right direction it doesn’t matter.


Also eat less rubbish, drink less alcohol and any tubster like me can lose weight. Get to average size and it may take some exercise to lose a bit more. It really isn’t complicated or worth debating about.

Getting too scientific is almost like looking for an excuse for things not working. Just eat less calories and you are certain to lose weight

[Inchy]

Jim, you can think you're doing well and then be so annoyed after like a run or a long walk, or a trip to the gym and you think, "How the hell do I weigh more after walking what feels like the entire length of the M1". It just makes you feel like you've done everything you can and be so annoyed that you've actually put weight on. I've done it enough times but when you do it weekly it just gives you a balanced view.

Seriously it doesn’t, didn’t bother me. I can weight as much as 7lbs more or less a day. That will be fluid related and I know that. I just look at the overall trend and I get a better trend if I weigh myself daily.

[FactualFrank]

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[FactualFrank]

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[Inchy]

Surely a more accurate trend would use daily weights because you have more data to compare too?

[clarethomer]

Surely a more accurate trend would use daily weights because you have more data to compare too?

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Just agree with him and make him happy.

[FactualFrank]

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[FactualFrank]

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[thatdberight]

Exactly - the overall trend. Which you get a better idea from over a week, than daily. Because daily would have more ups and downs than a girls' knickers on her wedding night.

Stick to what you say and mix it with weekly weighins and you're sorted. Maybe twice a week - before and after the weekend.

A really bizarre way to sum up these posts. To suggest that less readings gives you a better understanding of trend is really not justifiable at all.

I don't know why the two of you can't see that different people will require different methods of motivation and self-motivation which only they can understand. To many people (me included) clarethomer's long list of formulae like; 1 kg of carb-adjusted dairy biomass = 30 calories = (12 watts - 2 megatons) / 4 cubic inches just reads as F*** THIS - WHERE'S THE CHOCOLATE? To some others, scrutinising that level of detail will be what gives them the motivation to keep engaged.

On the other hand with frequency of weighing, some people can take the knock of the bad week where natural fluctuations cancel out the hard work; others needs to know that, just because the usual Friday night weigh-in was bad, doesn't mean they're not heading in the right direction. To others, daily weighing simply means you're thinking about the "diet" all the time which means thinking about food which results in failure eventually.

[clarethomer]

Sorry - why do I need to email you?

I have nothing to say to you in private and kind of defeats the purpose of a message board.

You are just showing yourself up now with your blinkered view and petulant responses to anyone who doesn't agree. .

[FactualFrank]

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[clarethomer]

A really bizarre way to sum up these posts. To suggest that less readings gives you a better understanding of trend is really not justifiable at all.

I don't know why the two of you can't see that different people will require different methods of motivation and self-motivation which only they can understand. To many people (me included) clarethomer's long list of formulae like; 1 kg of carb-adjusted dairy biomass = 30 calories = (12 watts - 2 megatons) / 4 cubic inches just reads as F*** THIS - WHERE'S THE CHOCOLATE? To some others, scrutinising that level of detail will be what gives them the motivation to keep engaged.

On the other hand with frequency of weighing, some people can take the knock of the bad week where natural fluctuations cancel out the hard work; others needs to know that, just because the usual Friday night weigh-in was bad, doesn't mean they're not heading in the right direction. To others, daily weighing simply means you're thinking about the "diet" all the time which means thinking about food which results in failure eventually.

I get why you may feel that way - I have no issue with people not wanting to know the detail - hence why my original response to this was a very much simplified approach to weight loss which will achieve results.

I posted that with my approach weighing daily was what I saw success from but Frank for some reason has spent every post from my post telling the world that my view and anyone else who disagrees with him is wrong. Its not about being right or wrong, there is science and there is factual franks approach.

His approach appears to only work when there are no funerals or other life events that come along and takes a common sense approach of only getting you to weigh yourself on one day when he knows weight can fluctuate daily. He must know that the day he weighs himself is his body's day for not fluctuating.

He's the one with braincells on here as he has pointed out that anyone who doesnt agree with him shouldnt post on here or has less than 3 braincells.

I apologise to anyone else if my detail has been too much information - as you say some will find it useful, some wont. The very great thing is that if you did take the time to follow what I said, you could reach for the chocolate daily - as I do

[clarethomer]

I knew we'd get there in the end. It took a while, but we did get there

And all I had to do was reply. Some people, eh?

what you on about? You’re an idiot. Good luck in your weight loss frank.

[starting_11]

what you on about? Your an idiot. Good luck in your weight loss frank.

"YOUR" an idiot. Lol.

[FactualFrank]

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[taio]

It's "you're" you thick two hat. Email is still there if you're ever feeling brave enough. All I want to do is discuss my next blog post on losing weight. I thought you'd be able to help?

I'd prefer to discuss this in person. I like to chat to people about things like this and then write about it. Disagreeing about things online is often a bit pointless. Email me: lovelyfacts6@gmail.com and just let me know your number and we can sort something out.

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[FactualFrank]

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[clarethomer]

Yep, that’s me a thick two hat...one grammatical error. That’s me told.

You clearly don’t agree with my approach to weight loss so why am I going to email you to help you with your work when your view is the only view you will listen to?

[FactualFrank]

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[FactualFrank]

"YOUR" an idiot. Lol.

And he's asking us to take him seriously. I've seen slimmer workhouse butties!

[FactualFrank]

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[taio]

Of course - the website gets over 100,000 visits a day which we reply to automatically with people wanting to write for the website. Over 12 years, 127 is like throwing a deckchair off the Titanic.

But you're not the sharpest tool in the box are you? And the fact you've shat your pants and felt the need to look this up tells me all I need to know. Always looking for people such as yourself who are in need of an extra income.

Just curious as to why you were repeatedly trying to bait him into emailing you, you freak. If your blogs in any way resemble the utter bullsh1t you write on here im surprised you've had 127 hits in 12 years.

[KRBFC]

So we're agreed then?

You said weigh yourself daily and then said expect fluctuations. I've a better idea - weigh yourself once a week. Weighing yourself daily has been shown to be a psychological nightmare. People think after the 10 mile run the day before, that it's made no difference and then think, "Feck it" - it has more downsides to up to do it so often. Weigh yourself weekly - sensible.

Definitely a case of agree to disagree. But for those reading the thread - don't take what he says as gospel. There's more holes in it than a pound of Swiss cheese.

Weigh yourself once a week while trying to lose weight? that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever read. What next? ''the earth is flat, I read it on the internet''.

[FactualFrank]

Weigh yourself once a week while trying to lose weight? that's probably the dumbest thing I've ever read. What next? ''the earth is flat, I read it on the internet''.

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I educate the ill-educated.

[thatdberight]

The very great thing is that if you did take the time to follow what I said, you could reach for the chocolate daily - as I do

I agree, and I do have at least one treat per day, but (and to each his own), to me it's just not that complicated. It's really simple. It's not easy, but it is simple with no need to go overboard on the stats.

* Eat less than you were doing. Eat it more slowly. Drink plenty of water-based drinks.
* Exercise brings its own rewards which are important but most people can't exercise enough to make a significant contribution to weight loss - you can't justify the Mars Bar because you walked to the bus stop.
* Veg is good. Fruit is good - but not as good as veg. You'll be fed up of veg long before you've had too many calories.
* Take it easy on the staples; bread will quickly undo all your good work.
* Being peckish isn't "starving". Put it down.
* Count the calories roughly but honestly. Start by going for 2,000 a day if you're a bloke. If you can't count them honestly to yourself - give up, you're not really interested. You'll just make yourself unhappy and still not lose the weight.
* Have the treat. Every day if you want. If you're serious and numerate you'll know what's an acceptable treat (a Mars Bar at 200 calories) and what's not (a triple-choca-mocca-crodoughuffin that's got 800)
* If you're repeatedly not losing weight with what you've done, cut out more calories no matter how hard done by you feel.

The real issue and the one I've always struggled with is to decouple the weight loss from the change in eating habits. The desired outcome is to end up with sustainable eating habits; the weight loss is only a temporary side-effect. That's the winner if you can do that because if you get the eating habits changed, the rest takes care of itself.

[Inchy]

I don’t get why someone who weighs themself every day is wrong just because frank finds weighing himself weekly works, or not as the case may be.

Either weekly or daily, it doesn’t really matter. It’s what ever works from you. From a scientific base I think daily is better because you get a more accurate trend. Psychologically weekly may Work better for some people.

Ultimately it’s all pointless. The best way to judge it is by seeing that shirt fit well when it hasn’t for years. Or moving the belt down a hole or two.

I have had people who I haven’t seen in a few months tell me I look like I have lost weight. That’s better psycholically than a number on the scales.

Questioning people’s intelligence on a stupid subjective arguement really is baffling. As is the amount of “edited” posts

[chekhov]

Yes, some strange goings on on this thread.
Anyway, I've been learning recently that the best way to lose weight is to simply cut out sugar and refined carbohydrates (white bread, rice and pasta). If you do that, you can eat a high protein, high fat diet with impunity. Basically there's no need to worry about calories as one calorie of sugar cannot be compared with one calorie of fat (fat and sugar are treated completely different by the body).
Check out Gary Taubes on youtube, he's got plenty of interesting things to say on the subject.

[Roosterbooster]

Yes, some strange goings on on this thread.
Anyway, I've been learning recently that the best way to lose weight is to simply cut out sugar and refined carbohydrates (white bread, rice and pasta). If you do that, you can eat a high protein, high fat diet with impunity. Basically there's no need to worry about calories as one calorie of sugar cannot be compared with one calorie of fat (fat and sugar are treated completely different by the body).
Check out Gary Taubes on youtube, he's got plenty of interesting things to say on the subject.

Don’t cut out sugar / carbs entirely though. The brain uses glucose as it’s fuel source. In extreme conditions (ie starvation) it will break down other substances to produce ketone bodies, but this should only be an extreme measure, like being stranded in the desert. Our glycogen (carbohydrate which easily breaks down into glucose) stores are actually quite short-term, and need to be topped up on a fairly regular basis

[chekhov]

Don’t cut out sugar / carbs entirely though. The brain uses glucose as it’s fuel source. In extreme conditions (ie starvation) it will break down other substances to produce ketone bodies, but this should only be an extreme measure, like being stranded in the desert. Our glycogen (carbohydrate which easily breaks down into glucose) stores are actually quite short-term, and need to be topped up on a fairly regular basis

I would have thought however that it would be pretty difficult to cut out carbs entirely even if you really tried. If you stick to wholegrain bread, rice and pasta for example I would imagine you'd still get the carbohydrates but in a much healthier form. Having said that I'm no expert on the subject and you sound like you know what you're talking about.

[Roosterbooster]

Yep. It’s very difficult to cut out carbs altogether, but some people do try, and can get quite close (ie a diet of meat, eggs, cheese, certain veg). Wholegrains are a sensible way to take carbs on board. It’s all about balance. A common ratio quoted is 50/30/20. 50% calories from carbs. 30% from fats. 20% from protein

[Inchy]

Another 2 lbs gone. Doddle is this

[Hipper]

Yep. It’s very difficult to cut out carbs altogether, but some people do try, and can get quite close (ie a diet of meat, eggs, cheese, certain veg). Wholegrains are a sensible way to take carbs on board. It’s all about balance. A common ratio quoted is 50/30/20. 50% calories from carbs. 30% from fats. 20% from protein

One version of this is the Ketone Diet (Keto for short).

The principle behind it is that your body will adapt to running on fat instead of sugars. Running on sugars means you employ Insulin to break it down and proponents claim that is not the way our bodies were evolved to work. Over the time the constant use of carbohydrates (particularly sugars and starches) will lead to the body over producing insulin (which breaks down carbohydrates) and that will lead to insulin resistance (you produce enough insulin but the cells cannot use it), which is what type 2 diabetes is.

Getting energy almost entirely from fat will reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes, and even reverse the issue if you have it. It is also claimed that the ketone diet can reduce epilepsy, cancer (the theory being that cancer cells feed on carbohydrates but not fat), and a lot of other stuff.

The background to this is that forty years ago the powers that be got it wrong in saying we should cut out saturated fats and still eat sugar. Check out Ancel Keys and John Yudkin. Keys blamed saturated fat, Yudkin said sugar and was vilified because of this.

[MACCA]

**Warning the following my contain images some find disturbing**

Finally got to target weight, after falling off the wagon more times than I dare to count.
A couple of health issues kicked my arse back into gear.
If I can remain here and not adjust my lifestyle too much, I'll be happy.

[Inchy]

Well done MACCA.

I started on New Year’s Day at 14stone 1

I am now 12 stone and aiming to get to 11 and a half in 4 weeks.


Tbh it’s not been that difficult. I work 12 hours days and often only get a 10 min break so I eat very little at work. I have done zero exercise to achieve this

[MACCA]

Well done MACCA.

I started on New Year’s Day at 14stone 1

I am now 12 stone and aiming to get to 11 and a half in 4 weeks.


Tbh it’s not been that difficult. I work 12 hours days and often only get a 10 min break so I eat very little at work. I have done zero exercise to achieve this

I work from home, where the biccy tin, crisp cupboard and fridge get passed a dozen times a day.

But I've got into a routine making my meals in the morning and have a couple of light nights exercise just to help me a long.
The lighter nights and warmer weather helps me I find. Happy to eat salads, and go for evening walks.

The big test will to see if I'm still here in July

** this weight, not still alive

[deanothedino]

Yep. It’s very difficult to cut out carbs altogether, but some people do try, and can get quite close (ie a diet of meat, eggs, cheese, certain veg). Wholegrains are a sensible way to take carbs on board. It’s all about balance. A common ratio quoted is 50/30/20. 50% calories from carbs. 30% from fats. 20% from protein

50 years ago 50% of calories from carbs would have been classed as a high carb diet. It does depend on what carbs they are though, 50% of low-gi carbs is fine - 50% of high-gi carbs, is more likely to cause issues.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Yeah, I decided to try back in June after hitting a new record high for me.

Joined Man Vs Fat for that season and we've just finished at the end of Sept.
New season has just started this week.

In the first season, 15 weeks, I've gone from 21st 4 down to 19 st 7, dropped 2 t-shirt sizes and lost 7cm round the waist.

I'm 6ft 3, so I could 'carry' the weight well, but I clearly wasn't healthy.
My target weight is 16 stone.

First game in June and I thought my heart was going to jump out of my chest, by the end of Sept I was doing a passable impression of a winger, whilst also getting back to my defensive position.
My league team wear red, so Claret is close enough.

I've also represented the Oxford league in the first National tournament, we got to the final and unfortunately lost.
My team for the tournament wore black so the perfect excuse to buy the black away shirt...

If I can finish in the top 10 of weight losers in my league I can be picked for a trip to St George's Park.

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[Steve1956]

Hey GIADJ....it looks like Sidney is in your weight loss group as well

[FCBurnley]

Doing Keto right now. 7 weeks in and I love it. Better for men than women. The great thing I find is that I am rarely hungry (have bacon eggs and sausage for breakfast everyday). My tip is dont worry about the weight loss ( although I am happy with mine) but take photos prior to starting and then take new ones say every month. You will be shocked at the results. Wish this diet had been around 40 years ago.

[jdrobbo]

Great stuff folks.

Got down from 13 to 12 stones.

Currently 12’2 but now running 20-22 minute 5ks consistently and an as fit as I’ve ever been.

Keep it up!

[Inchy]

I am about 12,4 at the moment down from 14,10 in January. Don’t think I can lose anymore without looking like I’m on drugs and I would have to really cut out anything nice and alcohol.

Done it by eating very little at work and cycling

[Falcon]

Down from 16st10 to 15st6 since August.

Combination of more exercise and less calories.

Target weight 13st3 so a way to go yet, but a good start. Just hope I can find the willpower to keep up the running & cycling over the winter (and not put on too much weight during the gluttonous Christmas party season).

[GodIsADeeJay81]

How are you all doing with this?

I've just started my 3rd season of Man Vs Fat.
I didn't do overly well with the weight loss last season so I've also joined a gym to help shed the weight.

Just need to work on the dietary side of it now.

Since last Monday I've lost 1.2 kgs, so that's a good start.

[Inchy]

I’m still on with it.

I’ve gone from 14.6 to 11.4 in a year.

Started by eating a lot less. Now I eat loads but exercise a lot. 2.5 hours a week of cardio at least. Feel Miles better for it. Signed up to do the fan dance in July so that should keep me at it

Still weighing myself almost daily to see the trend.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Been following the Slimming World diet, kinda even more strict than they say (basically cutting out all processed sugars, most carbs and all dairy)

It does make you end up having "normal" grub for breakfast rather than cereals and that, and lean meat like pork medallions and chicken are the order of the day, with skin on new pots and veg being typical thanks to a good canteen at work.

End result, so far, is a drop from 166kg to 153kg after 4 weeks or so, and generally feeling a lot more healthy. Long way to go but honestly, as i can eat sapples etc as much as i want within reason, im not missing crap grub and im seeing the benefit

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Still not sorting out my dietary side of it

Bloke at my footy has lost 11kgs / 1.7 stone in 2-3 weeks but he's on the Keto diet.
Going to be interesting to see if he can maintain the lower weight when he stops the diet.