Who’s this Claret from 70/71?

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:03 pm

Anyone know who this is? I can’t put a name to him.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:04 pm

Is it David Wilson?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Is it David Wilson?

Mick doc?

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:07 pm

No idea. Two guesses on a Facebook group are Doug Collins & Steve Kindon. But I’m sure it’s neither of them?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:08 pm

The other guy looks a bit scary!

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:08 pm

Btw. It v Wolves. September 1970. We lost 2-3.

Edit: obviously not this game. The pitch is a giveaway.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:08 pm

Look at the state of the pitch

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:09 pm

Look at that bloody pitch! It’s a cabbage patch!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:10 pm

Mick docherty for me.....

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:10 pm

The pitch looks scary! The ref obviously couldn’t be bothered wading through the mud to keep up with play!!

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:11 pm

I don't know who it is but it is definitely not Docherty, Kindon or Doug Collins.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:11 pm

To tall for mick Docherty I think

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:12 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:I don't know who it is but it is definitely not Docherty, Kindon or Doug Collins.

I’m sure it is Wilson - certainly nothing like Doc, Collins or Kindon

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:13 pm

David Wilson for me. Cup-tie,3rd round Jan 1970 and I recall the pitch being very muddy for that game. Won 3-0?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:13 pm

Post 2 has it. David Wilson

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:15 pm

Whoever it is must read the game well. Not a bit of dirt on him despite the muddy pitch.

Obviously doesn't need to make a tackle.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:15 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:David Wilson for me. Cup-tie,3rd round Jan 1970 and I recall the pitch being very muddy for that game. Won 3-0?

Been posted that it’s the 3-2 defeat against Wolves which was the following week. If so, that was the game with the worst refereeing performance ever from George Hartley.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:16 pm

Who was Paul Bradshaw?????

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:16 pm

tim_noone wrote:Who was Paul Bradshaw?????

Right winger in mid-70s. We sold him to Sheffield Wednesday.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:23 pm

Wilson between Peter Mellor and Alan West.

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Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:27 pm

tim_noone wrote:Who was Paul Bradshaw?????

Played at Old Trafford Christmas 1975 and put us 1-0 up in the first half. Believe it or not they scored two in the second half.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:28 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Been posted that it’s the 3-2 defeat against Wolves which was the following week. If so, that was the game with the worst refereeing performance ever from George Hartley.

Forgot we played them again soon after.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:29 pm

We've had this before on the old board, and the answer was David Wilson then as well.

Working_Class_Zero · Post by **Working_Class_Zero** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:30 pm

This photo is labelled on Pintrest as:
10th January 1970. Wolves goalkeeper John Oldfield, watched by John Holsgrove, plunges into the Turf Moor mud to stop Burnley's Sammy Todd. In the background are Mike O’Grady (left) and Mike Bailey

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:30 pm

You can see the Half Time Scoreboard in the background.
On the odd week the guys putting the numbers in would have a 5 and the crowd would be wondering which letter and team had scored 5.
Those were the days.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:34 pm

Better shot of Wilson.

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A young Paul Bradshaw.

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ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:37 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Played at Old Trafford Christmas 1975 and put us 1-0 up in the first half. Believe it or not they scored two in the second half.

He played in that game but Hankin scored our goal

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:41 pm

I was sat in the Stretford end for that game. I also thought it was Bradshaw who scored.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:57 pm

RammyClaret61 wrote:I was sat in the Stretford end for that game. I also thought it was Bradshaw who scored.

Was you off colour?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:58 pm

RammyClaret61 wrote:I was sat in the Stretford end for that game. I also thought it was Bradshaw who scored.

Not sure why I've said Hankin, but the record books have him down. I'll get it checked out.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:58 pm

Working_Class_Zero wrote:This photo is labelled on Pintrest as:
10th January 1970. Wolves goalkeeper John Oldfield, watched by John Holsgrove, plunges into the Turf Moor mud to stop Burnley's Sammy Todd. In the background are Mike O’Grady (left) and Mike Bailey

Sammy Todd had smoother hair and was uglier!

I'd go for Dave Wilson too, through on goal and missing another chance. I don't think he scored at all for us. He always looked to me like he wore contact lenses but I don't know if he really did.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:00 pm

Hipper wrote:Sammy Todd had smoother hair and was uglier!

I'd go for Dave Wilson too, through on goal and missing another chance. I don't think he scored at all for us. He always looked to me like he wore contact lenses but I don't know if he really did.

He didn't score for us
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Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:21 pm

No doubt that it is David Wilson, that's probably the closest he ever came to scoring for us !

Some confusion as to the actual game which is no surprise as we played Wolves at home three times in the calendar year 1970. Two league games and the FA Cup tie. The second of the league games was the 3-2 defeat but the photo in the OP was surely the 3-1 defeat in January when Ralphy scored our goal.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:25 pm

I posted 3-2 but it was a typo and should have been 3-1 in the game played a week after the cup tie. Wilson didn't play in the 3-2 game in the following season.

You are certainly right royboyclaret, it probably was as close as he got although the week before in the cup tie we did think he'd scored but it deflected off someone else and he wasn't credited with it.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:35 pm

I’ve got the programme for the cup tie with the team changes on.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:36 pm

Another interesting comparison of those three games shows that even in 1970 the magic of the FA Cup was still alive.

The two league games had attendances of just over 13,000 whilst the Cup tie was 19,397.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:49 pm

Mick Docherty. Steve Kindon. You might as well say Madge Thatcher for all the likeness of those two players. Can you tell the difference between a football and a rugby ball? Did you marry a marrow?

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:02 pm

I remember watching Ray Hankin put us one up at Old Trafford only for them to come back and beat us 2-1. Pretty sure it would be the 75 Christmas game. I went with my dad and grandad. First time I had been to a match where the local youngsters ' looked after' your car for a small fee.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:16 pm

RMutt wrote:I remember watching Ray Hankin put us one up at Old Trafford only for them to come back and beat us 2-1. Pretty sure it would be the 75 Christmas game. I went with my dad and grandad. First time I had been to a match where the local youngsters ' looked after' your car for a small fee.

Mate of mine used to go on City, at Maine Rd, and would tear a couple of pound notes in half and tell em they could have the other halves if them and the car were there when he got back.
They did it in the 60s in the terraces of Tod Rd. as soon as they had enough the eldest went on.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:28 pm

I must admit, my initial thought was Sammy Todd, but Wilson it is on reflection.

What's wrong with the pitch ? Proper conditions for proper footballers with no
poncing about and falling over at the first opportunity.

A game for men. (and black boots)

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:40 pm

Think I'm right in saying that Dave Wilson never scored a goal for us. The other thing I remember about him was that he wore contact lenses. Was on that Cup tie. The referee was very poor. I seem to recall one or two fans got on pitch at the final whistle and I remember Derek Dougan having to restrain one of them.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:49 pm

claretfern wrote:Think I'm right in saying that Dave Wilson never scored a goal for us. The other thing I remember about him was that he wore contact lenses. Was on that Cup tie. The referee was very poor. I seem to recall one or two fans got on pitch at the final whistle and I remember Derek Dougan having to restrain one of them.

It wasn't me, honest guv.

You ok pal ?

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:54 pm

Yeah, okay funky. Just seen earlier posts. Royboy has already confirmed that Dave Wilson never scored for us. ...and I recall now that we played them in the league before the Cup tie and it may have been that game which turned a tad ugly at the final whistle.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:12 am

claretfern wrote:Yeah, okay funky. Just seen earlier posts. Royboy has already confirmed that Dave Wilson never scored for us. ...and I recall now that we played them in the league before the Cup tie and it may have been that game which turned a tad ugly at the final whistle.

It was me who confirmed Wilson's goalscoring record in response to Hipper.

BTW: The teams v Wolves in January 1970 were the same for both games:

Peter Mellor, Fred Smith, Jim Thomson, Brian O'Neil, Martin Dobson, Dave Merrington, Frank Casper, Ralph Coates, David Wilson, Arthur Bellamy, Steve Kindon.

In the league game, Dave Thomas came on as a sub for Kindon - no sub used in cup tie.

the_magic_rat · Post by **the_magic_rat** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:59 am

My recollection of the 3-1 defeat was Derek Dougan coming on as sub at a corner at the Cricketfield End and scoring with his first touch.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:08 am

the_magic_rat wrote:My recollection of the 3-1 defeat was Derek Dougan coming on as sub at a corner at the Cricketfield End and scoring with his first touch.

And he'll always be a .......

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:11 am

I was sat in there too, in the old wooden seats above the standing area?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:02 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:Anyone know who this is? I can’t put a name to him.

My first guess was Doug Collins. Sure it ain't Mick Doc or Steve Kindon.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:08 am

Silkyskills1 wrote:David Wilson for me. Cup-tie,3rd round Jan 1970 and I recall the pitch being very muddy for that game. Won 3-0?

The main thing I remember about that game was we were invaded by about 10 million Wolves fans. Got to the game and as I was going in someone said 'don't bother even trying the longside'. I got in and saw a sea of black and gold on the longside, couldn't get anywhere near. Not sure I've ever seen so many visiting fans at the Turf. That was in the day when the FA Cup actually meant something.
The following week we played them at home again in the league and there were about 300 of 'em. We lost that one I recall.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:24 am

claretfern wrote:Think I'm right in saying that Dave Wilson never scored a goal for us. The other thing I remember about him was that he wore contact lenses. Was on that Cup tie. The referee was very poor. I seem to recall one or two fans got on pitch at the final whistle and I remember Derek Dougan having to restrain one of them.

I think you're getting confused. I was also on both games.
Absolutely no issue with the referee for the cup-tie, which we won easily. It was the 3-1 defeat the following week, (in which as you correctly say Dougan scored), that the referee might as well have been wearing a gold shirt. This, I think has been established is the game in which the picture was taken.