The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

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The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by Rowls » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:37 am

Burnley linked with loan bid for Arsenal defender Rob Holding.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:38 am

Would be an excellent signing imo.
Think SD could get the best out of the young centre back like he has done with Tarkowski.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by Grumps » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:02 am

Would he play though?

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by Pearcey » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:07 am

Grumps wrote:Would he play though?
I would hope not. Our centre halves have been superb and Long has been excellent back up.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:48 am

We need backup and need to restart the conveyor belt. On paper looks perfect. But never looks a defender to me when i see him. Too lightweight and always loses focus.

That said if anyone can sort him...

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by andyh » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:50 am

Don’t get it unless we’ve agreed a perm move in the summer

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by burnley007 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:51 am

Depends upon option to buy.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by agreenwood » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:01 am

Makes little sense to me as a loan deal.

He’s not very good as things stand. He won’t play very often. Arsenal will probably think he’s as well on their bench as he is on ours. It’s a loan, so we’d barely get any benefit for any improvements that were made through training with us for 4 months.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by Mattster » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:04 am

Doesn't make sense for either team IMO. Would probably get more game time at Arsenal than he would with us (how far have we come?). Wouldn't think we'd have a chance at a perm deal either so the time and effort drilling him on the system would be better spent on someone "on the conveyer belt" so to speak.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by MrClaretandBlue » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:11 am

He's been shocking every time I've watched him play albeit only a handful of times.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by BurnleyPaul » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:12 am

Unless this is a loan with a view to a permanent signing then it makes no sense.

Holding isn’t wanted at Arsenal so this loan might actually be an extended trial (of sorts)- simply to see if he fits into our squad / way of doing things.

If Dyche thinks that Holding is a player that will improve our squad and he fits in to our mentality, wage structure etc then let’s do whatever we can to get this one over the line.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by Bfcboyo » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:13 am

Grumps wrote:Would he play though?
No.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by claretspice » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:31 am

As a player for us to target, he makes a lot of sense. It's in a similar mould to Keane.

I agree the loan thing is odd - it's a bit different to NKoudou because he can get lots of game time off the bench. Even if it was with a view to a permanent deal, you can't imagine Holding would be too smitten with a trial consisting of 4 months of waiting for Mee or Tarks to get injured.

Unless of course one of Tarks or Mee has a niggle we'renot aware of which might disrupt their second half of the season.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by DesmondHaynes » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:37 am

Arsenal are interested in Tarkowski. Holding as a possible replacement?
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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by agreenwood » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:54 am

claretspice wrote:As a player for us to target, he makes a lot of sense. It's in a similar mould to Keane.

I agree the loan thing is odd - it's a bit different to NKoudou because he can get lots of game time off the bench. Even if it was with a view to a permanent deal, you can't imagine Holding would be too smitten with a trial consisting of 4 months of waiting for Mee or Tarks to get injured.

Unless of course one of Tarks or Mee has a niggle we'renot aware of which might disrupt their second half of the season.
Would Holding come in as immeadiate 3rd choice? You could argue that Long did enough at Man U and Huddersfield to maintain his place as next in line, at least initially.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by claretspice » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:00 am

agreenwood wrote:Would Holding come in as immeadiate 3rd choice? You could argue that Long did enough at Man U and Huddersfield to maintain his place as next in line, at least initially.
One for Dyche, but having seen him a bit this season (admittedly not at United) and given that he was bumped down the conveyor belt previously when we signed Tarks, I'm slightly doubtful about calling Long as the next cab off the tank.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by agreenwood » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:04 am

claretspice wrote:One for Dyche, but having seen him a bit this season (admittedly not at United) and given that he was bumped down the conveyor belt previously when we signed Tarks, I'm slightly doubtful about calling Long as the next cab off the tank.
It would be unlike Dyche to throw a young defender in without the benefit of a month or so of adapting to “the framework”. More so Holding, who looks pretty raw still and has had some very public criticism for some of his performances.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:15 am

We must sign a cb now. We have been pushing our luck all season re injuries/suspensions. Long is ok as 4th choice/back up and has surprised me. This only makes sense if it is Holding on loan now to get used to us prior to signing in July. However, sadly it could mean Tarky to them in July.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by claretspice » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:16 am

agreenwood wrote:It would be unlike Dyche to throw a young defender in without the benefit of a month or so of adapting to “the framework”. More so Holding, who looks pretty raw still and has had some very public criticism for some of his performances.
Can see that argument AG.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:30 am

No point him coming to sit on our bench till the end of the season, unless there's the chance of making it permanent.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:50 am

If this is the start of the chain that sees Tarks go to Arsenal it makes sense.

If SD is suitably impressed with him, Arsenal throw him in as part of the deal and we have Tarks' replacement handed to us on a plate. Means the deal can be done early allowing for both players to have full pre-seasons with their new clubs and can also then focus on other targets.

This is only an if of course.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:51 am

Ablue will be pleased :-)

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by EarbyClaret » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:52 am

As others have said the only way this makes sense, if true, is that it's part of a deal which takes Tarkowski to Arsenal in the summer.

In the short-term, Mee either was or still is carrying an underlying injury which seems to surface from time to time and as we've seen already with Tarkowski he plays to the limit a lot of the time and can pick-up cards.

Again we don't know how much truth is in this but it might mean we've changed our minds about buying an emerging Championship centre back, like Worrall, and developing them in the same way as we did with Tarkowski.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by mickleoverclaret » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:06 pm

Anyone who says Holding has been shocking every time they've watched him obviously didn't watch the cup final, he was excellent in that. Would certainly be a good addition as back up but as said can't see Arsenal letting him go to come and sit on our bench.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by mkmel » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Ablue will be pleased :-)

Ablue and pleased in the same sentence.

That's a first

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by piston broke » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:09 pm

Could only be coming to play 3 at the back or as a nibble for Wenger to get Tarks in Summer.
As I can't see us changing systems mid stream it would be the latter.
The rider being that the OP link is the daily liar.

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by NRC » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:19 pm

mkmel wrote:Ablue and pleased in the same sentence.

That's a first
ABlue will be along shortly exclaiming how this is more like it...... oh wait..

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Re: The Defender's Holding the Forward's Wood?

Post by Spike » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:26 pm

I can’t see the Window Holding open long enough for Arsenal to buy a replacement band then us to get sorted.
Wenger when asked said he didn’t see it

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