Bardsley and Hendrick Have to Go

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:20 pm

They're just dragging down the rest of the team.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:21 pm

Hendrick has to go, yes, to partner Cork in the middle.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:33 pm

Cork works his tail off every game, while Hendrick stands and watches.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:34 pm

Let's bring in Ally Pickering and Mark Ford!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:35 pm

ontario claret wrote:Cork works his tail off every game, while Hendrick stands and watches.

It's called look and learn.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:37 pm

Wind it in and stop licking Maple trees.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:39 pm

B-o-T!! I thought you had some (maybe not a lot) idea of the game.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:41 pm

"Look and learn". That's a good one, tim noone. Maybe on the training pitch, but not during a game.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:42 pm

Hendrick lools better coming from deep. He made a cpuple of lovely passes to open up Newcastle tonight but ia too often caught or outmuscled.

Could be good deeper in midfid witj jbg on the forward mod?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:47 pm

ontario claret wrote:B-o-T!! I thought you had some (maybe not a lot) idea of the game.

It's funny because he (Hendrick) always starts in a 4-5-1/ 4-4-1-1 and yet when we stick another forward on and go 4-4-2, he is still usually on the pitch when that happens.

David Jones syndrome.

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:53 pm

Bardsley is solid but not multi-dimensional. Unlike others in the team he has one role and one role only. Like's the occasional steam roller of a mis-judged tackle but can't blame the lad for that. Remind me of Paul Cook

Hendrick is more of the Andre Gray syndrome. Play out of position, not naturally gifted there and you can tell he really dislikes it. He's generally the first sub you make when you want to chuck an attacker on (because he's not threatening enough throughout)

Bfcboyo · Post by **Bfcboyo** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:53 pm

Rowls wrote:Let's bring in Ally Pickering and Mark Ford!

Or cowan and ball.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:58 pm

Nobody talking about that chance he had where his shot went for a throw-in? He was literally under no pressure.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:05 am

Bfcboyo wrote:Or cowan and ball.

Gotta be canon and ball for me!

1914tyrone · Post by **1914tyrone** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:09 am

Hendrick looked more comfortable when he was dropped deeper last 15. I'd like to see him start in CM on Saturday. Lennon and JBG out wide would give us pace for the counter.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:13 am

Can't argue with Bardsley but Hendrick isn't a number 10, it would be nice to see him play in his favoured position

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:17 am

KefkaClaret wrote:Nobody talking about that chance he had where his shot went for a throw-in? He was literally under no pressure.

But we did end up winning a throwing from it, seeing as it hit their player who was lying on the ground!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:24 am

Hendrick is not a number 10, but when he does play deeper he looks as comfortable as Defour and Cork.

Bardsley started out in fine form, so well worth his place in the squad, but the last few performances suggest it's time to bring Lowton back.

I can understand the sentiment but it's a bit harsh to slag off either player.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:33 am

Have to say I agree with you OP

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:00 am

Bardsley has proved to be a shrewd addition.At times we have struggled with our right backs drifting off the wing exposing our defence.Bardsley is a rugged old school defender.No nonsense tackler who can make the odd error as he asserts himself on the opposition.However,he has worked hard for the team in games saving goals with last ditch clearances. Hendrick is a class player in the Carrick mould quietly growing into games and making telling contributions with the odd vital goal.He isnt flash and is very much like another ex Claret derided by many .Dave Jones who created the goal v QPR that put us where we are today.Both are vital team players that Sean sees as parts in our bigger picture.Oh and by the way we are back at 7th.

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:27 am

They have been dragging the team down, - Hendrick because he's being played out of his best position, and Bardsley because of form slip. Both are fixable. Let's start by bringing Matt.L. back.

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:38 am

Funny I did not hear any complaints when he scored at Everton, some just have to blame someone & it’s Geoff at the moment. Watch the amount of work he gets through, good touch & links play well.

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:08 am

7th in the Premier league and we have two players who 'have to go'.

Let's leave it to Sean shall we mate. We are 7th in the Premier league with him making the decisions. 7TH IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:11 am

I don't know if the above is a joke, but Everton away was in October I think, and his name is Jeff...

I thought they both were excellent again tonight, the great off the ball work often goes unnoticed.
I think there is an agenda here, with people who obviously don't watch the game and are weirdos. Just watch what they do when not in possession, football isn't all about what you do with the ball, there's the ugly stuff that needs doing too.
Will no doubt be a close call again in the ratings and MOTM votes.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:17 am

Hendrick isn't as good in the middle of midfield as Cork or Defour but he is better than Westwood especially playing the Defour type role. When Hendrick got suspended/injured last season we certainly missed him in centre midfield that's for certain.

Dyche likes him and has squeezed him to a system that isn't his natural game. I do think next to Cork though he would be quite effective and also I think Westwood and Cork are just to similar. If Cork was injured and Defour fit id say get Westwood in but its the other way round so id put Hendrick back in his natural position.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:42 am

I thought the shot going for a throwing off their injured player was hilarious.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:06 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:Hendrick is not a number 10, but when he does play deeper he looks as comfortable as Defour and Cork.

Bardsley started out in fine form, so well worth his place in the squad, but the last few performances suggest it's time to bring Lowton back.

I can understand the sentiment but it's a bit harsh to slag off either player.

"Hendrick is not a number 10, but when he does play deeper he looks as comfortable as Defour and Cork."

Jeff tinted glasses there I think.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:26 am

Hendrick seems a real confidence player to me, particularly the way he can drive the team forward with powerful runs when he's on form. That's just the problem at the moment - confidence.

Twice last night Lennon played him in, once in the box which he passed straight back to Lennon, outside the box, instead of either shooting or looking for someone in the six yard area. The other we all know about where Lennon passed to him on the edge of the box and his shot went for a throw in. After that, Jeff seemed to just want rid of the ball as soon as he got it, often passing straight back to the player he had received it from.

The injury to Defour gives us the opportunity to keep Hendrick in the side but allow JBG the opportunity in the hole behind a striker. I know it's one game but when he played his last game for Charlton against us, he dominated the position and was a good shout for MOM. Having also seen how much Lennon and Nkoudou are keen to track back as well as get forward, I think we could have a real attacking side for once, whilst retaining the defensive framework.

Bardsley, however, was utter gash last night and has unfortunately been slipping in form after a bright start. Definitely time for Lowton to come back IMO.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:43 am

Walt wrote:I thought the shot going for a throwing off their injured player was hilarious.

I didn’t. I thought it was one of the best chances of the match and he wasted it dreadfully. He also wasted a similar cut back by Lennon where he bottled the first time shot. There’s a good player in there but we’re not seeing it at the minute and we need more support for Barnes if we’re to start turning this poor run of results around.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:46 am

Hendrick always looks class when played in his favoured position

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:56 am

3putt wrote:"Hendrick is not a number 10, but when he does play deeper he looks as comfortable as Defour and Cork."

Jeff tinted glasses there I think.

Not Jeff tinted glasses. I've been complaining about the performances of Hendrick for months. It's just a fact that when he plays deeper, as he did for large spells against Utd, he looks a lot better player.
As for comfortable as Defour and Cork, Cork hasn't looked comfortable since before Christmas.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:06 am

Someone comparing Hendrick to Michael Carrick

Hendrick’s not a bad player at all and he is indeed played a bit out of position , but has never o

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:06 am

Looked better than a good champ player for me

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:22 am

1914tyrone wrote:Hendrick looked more comfortable when he was dropped deeper last 15. I'd like to see him start in CM on Saturday. Lennon and JBG out wide would give us pace for the counter.

There was times during the game that he was behind both Cork and Westwood which was bizarre

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:25 am

Jeff is a box to box midfielder and would compliment Cork or Westwood well.

He was pivotal in our survival last season by being a ball carried out of defence/on the counter and added much needed height/physical presence to the team.

Hopefully with the Defour injury he is put back into his natural position and we will see Jeff return to his best.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:30 am

Hendrick is a liability

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:17 am

My preference would be to chuck Vokes up top, drop Barnes into AMF and Hendrick into CMF in place of Westwood, get Lennon (or GK) on the right at the expense of Scotty Arfield and Johann on the left. Lowton in for Bardsley (surely his time is up now, did manfully at first but his performances are really tailing off and think he's a penalty waiting to happen v City). At least then when we go long we'd at least we'd have 2 players that could scrap for those headers and 2 pacy wingers who could collect knock downs or whip some balls in from the byline. Won't happen though.

*This isn't meant as a criticism of Dyche, just what I'd like to see.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:39 am

Personally would like to see Arfield brought in for Hendrick as last time he played there he looked very dangerous.

Surely time to bring Lowton back now. He was playing superbly before his injury and Bardsley started well but has looked a red card waiting to happen for the last few games now.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:12 pm

RVclaret wrote:Hendrick has to go, yes, to partner Cork in the middle.

No drop Hendrick for a midfield of 4-5-1 (Dyche's Team)

Nkoudou - Cork - Westwood - Lennon

---------Gudmundsson---------

He need's a rest, its not working for him at the moment.

Also we need to drop Bardsley, bring back Lowton

My team with the players we have fit at the moment against Man City would be

----------------Pope

-Lowton - -Long - -Mee --Taylor

Nkoudou - Cork - Gudmundsson - Lennon

-------Barnes ------Vokes

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:14 pm

Interesting reading, a fit Lowton and a fit Ward would both start ahead of Bardsley and Taylor. A game of opinions and Hendrick given our options at the moment is a starter for me too, accepting that he is not on the greatest run of form but all that can change on Saturday.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:25 pm

I don't get why so many are so eager to get GKN into the team as personally I haven't seen enough from him yet to convince me that he is that good and certainly not better than JBG.
JBG has been playing really well out wide and so I would leave him there and play Arfield off Barnes with Lennon on the left.

Hendrick or Westwood alongside Cork would be fine. Personally would probably play Hendrick although that may be harsh on Westwood as he hasn't done anything wrong to warrant being dropped again.

Leaves GKN and Vokes on the bench if you need to change things up top as well.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:39 pm

Goobs wrote:I don't get why so many are so eager to get GKN into the team as personally I haven't seen enough from him yet to convince me that he is that good and certainly not better than JBG.

Granted he's only had a couple of cameos but last night he looked especially tidy (both attacking and defensive) including the opportunity which he created from the wing, with which Hendrick eventually hit the injured player near the touchline, with a shot.

I certainly wouldnt advocate dropping JBG in his favour, something along the lines of the following would be great:

Pope

Lowton Long Mee Taylor (Ward if fit)

Lennon Cork Hendrick Nkoudou

JBG

Barnes

clive40golf · Post by **clive40golf** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:40 pm

“I thought they both were excellent again tonight, the great off the ball work often goes unnoticed.
I think there is an agenda here, with people who obviously don't watch the game and are weirdos. Just watch what they do when not in possession, football isn't all about what you do with the ball, there's the ugly stuff that needs doing too.”

Totally agree with that statement. Both played well and put some real graft in. Lowton had the advantage of having Brady helping out ( who is a big miss) but Bardsley has done a lot better than a lot of people give him credit for.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:44 pm

Every burnley supporter knows where Hendrick should be playing. Unfortunately stubborn I won't change dyche doesn't

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:47 pm

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:22 pm

I think Bardsley's been great and until a few weeks ago would have kept him where he was, but he's had a few sub-par performances now, last night being one where he created more problems than he solved. So I'd have Lowton back in at the weekend, thankfully Sane is injured so it's not quite the massive 'back in at the deep' that it would have been.

Hendrick's doing fine, he's just struggling a bit with a few aspects of the really demanding role he's been given. I don't think we've anyone who'd do much better in that role, but if we can give Lennon a start (and I think we can after his contribution last night), then at least Arfield could have a go and he how he compares. That then would let Hendrick drop deeper alongside Cork.

I reckon our strongest, and most adaptable 11 (with players that can switch positions in phases) at the moment would be 4411: Pope; Taylor Mee Long Lowton; Lennon Cork Hendrick JBG; Arfield; Barnes.

Might as well change a bit from last night, City's a freebie.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:23 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
My team with the players we have fit at the moment against Man City would be

----------------Pope

-Lowton - -Long - -Mee --Taylor

Nkoudou - Cork - Gudmundsson - Lennon

-------Barnes ------Vokes

It's a bit early to be hitting the meths, isn't it?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:35 pm

Thats a FM "last ten minutes attack like mad to get a goal" formation there isn't it?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:33 pm

Darthlaw wrote:Granted he's only had a couple of cameos but last night he looked especially tidy (both attacking and defensive) including the opportunity which he created from the wing, with which Hendrick eventually hit the injured player near the touchline, with a shot.

I certainly wouldnt advocate dropping JBG in his favour, something along the lines of the following would be great:

Pope

Lowton Long Mee Taylor (Ward if fit)

Lennon Cork Hendrick Nkoudou

JBG

Barnes

MY only issues with the above would be that JBG has been great out wide and wouldn't want us to change him when doing so well. The other issue is it doesn't leave us any options from the bench if it isn't working other than 442 as arfield isn't likely to turn a game around whereas extra pace that GKN could do against tired legs.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:39 pm

ontario claret wrote:They're just dragging down the rest of the team.

Did you actually watch last night? What a shocking thread but yet more agenda comments on Hendrick who was far better than most of the midfield players behind him.