Potential Message Board Changes

Guitargeorge · Post by **Guitargeorge** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:35 pm

A friend who’s father’s uncle’s milkman works part time at Tottenham Hotspur’s training ground and he has it on good authority that the message board is OK as it is. As for some of the contributors.........

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:56 pm

Put a "hidden" section in that only members with a certain amount of posts can see and I'll start posting what "I think" the team will be again

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AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:05 pm

I just voted to split between football and non football - however I'm fine with it as it is. It just seems sometimes that some posters don't like non football posts, so I thought it might be better for them if they can ignore them.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:40 pm

KateR wrote:points
how long will the poll run for
is it a straight majority wins or is there going to be a % required over others
Personally agree a dislike button would be nice

If the outcome I voted for doesn`t win, can I cry foul, call the winners tyrants and demand another vote?

kritichris · Post by **kritichris** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:42 pm

houseboy wrote:I'm in favour of the 'split', most other football boards do this, but not at all in support of keeping it football only. When you go to a game with mates do you ONLY talk football? I don't.
Just a thought.

Fair comment, but when your with your mates the argument rarely gets vitriolic, on here it does.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:42 pm

Billy_Bumface wrote:No issues with the format whatsoever, I enjoy the diversity.
The only problem is the moderation, I fully appreciate it’s a thankless task, but it needs to be much firmer.

Are they going to burn all the books or just the ones they don`t like?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:51 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:I doubt this would be possible but could every new thread be approved by a mod before it can be seen (like some newspaper comments, product reviews etc).

It wouldn't solve all the bickering on threads but would ensure those posted deliberately to provoke a squabble, duplicate threads, fishing trips etc would never be seen.

What if a moderator (implying they should be moderate) didn`t agree with the post? `Is it time ********* was dropped?` is a perfectly fair topic but I suggest certain individuals would consider blocking it. You can`t give a moderator carte blanche.

I have voted to split into football/non-football but if it stays the same, fine. It is an excellent forum. If people have no interest in the topic that has been posted, it`s quite simple, don`t read it. If it gets abusive, report it.

May I suggest an Automated Ban Actioner. Monitor people`s ratings on the player ratings threads and if their season average of Hendrick goes below a 6, then ABA will red-flag the system and they can be banned for 2 games from partaking in any discussion.

kritichris · Post by **kritichris** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:54 pm

There's nothing wrong with non footie topics, in fact they help keep the forum alive out of season, it's just the vitriol that political and religious topics seem to engender that makes me feel they should be banned, they are counter productive and can turn fans away from the forum. Also sprach Zarathrustra and leighton James.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:06 am

I have voted to keep it the same other than can we keep claretspices posts below 1500000 words.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:09 am

Keep it as it is. For those of us with extremely busy other lives it is often a quick 5 minute skim every day (then an impromptu 15 minutes writing a long reply to something!).

Splitting it will make it impractical to see straight away what is worth reading, so I would likely stop visiting.

Jeremy_Bentham · Post by **Jeremy_Bentham** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:37 am

. wouldn’t mind seeing some sort of restriction on the amount of different threads people can comment on per day. He notices more and more that people just seem to comment on topics they seem to have little interest in and no real knowledge of what’s being discussed.

He believes if they were limited to a certain amount of separate threads they could comment on (say 4 per day), it could stop some of the garbage on certain topics where it seems these posters just like to try to cause an argument for the sake of it. They would have to choose more carefully which threads they choose to pollute.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:55 am

. wrote:. wouldn’t mind seeing some sort of restriction on the amount of different threads people can comment on per day. He notices more and more that people just seem to comment on topics they seem to have little interest in and no real knowledge of what’s being discussed.

He believes if they were limited to a certain amount of separate threads they could comment on (say 4 per day), it could stop some of the garbage on certain topics where it seems these posters just like to try to cause an argument for the sake of it. They would have to choose more carefully which threads they choose to pollute.

sorry god, that's some serious censorship you are proposing

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:03 am

Not going to be far off a 50/50 split for those wanting status quo and those wanting a split in one form or another.
.Bit like Brexit really.

ClaretLoup · Post by **ClaretLoup** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:35 am

I cannot see any reason to split the topics as in the majority of cases it is easy to filter out the non footy topics via the thread titles. Personally I really like the piccy threads and some of the music related ones. So if there was a split I would have to look in two places.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:10 am

kritichris wrote:Fair comment, but when your with your mates the argument rarely gets vitriolic, on here it does.

Agreed but I've been on far worse boards, it's really not that bad on here I think. On the whole this is a pretty friendly board and by and large I assume we are all Clarets with one common ideal at least. If you want to see bad then try the Clarets board on the Lancashire Telegraph, and see my other post on this, it's dreadful.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:12 am

ClaretLoup wrote:I cannot see any reason to split the topics as in the majority of cases it is easy to filter out the non footy topics via the thread titles. Personally I really like the piccy threads and some of the music related ones. So if there was a split I would have to look in two places.

The music threads ARE good.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:13 am

The Enclosure wrote:Not going to be far off a 50/50 split for those wanting status quo and those wanting a split in one form or another.
.Bit like Brexit really.

Now stop- that right there.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:14 am

. wrote:. wouldn’t mind seeing some sort of restriction on the amount of different threads people can comment on per day. He notices more and more that people just seem to comment on topics they seem to have little interest in and no real knowledge of what’s being discussed.

He believes if they were limited to a certain amount of separate threads they could comment on (say 4 per day), it could stop some of the garbage on certain topics where it seems these posters just like to try to cause an argument for the sake of it. They would have to choose more carefully which threads they choose to pollute.

Then why have the forum at all?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:01 am

Good effort by those manipulating the vote to keep the remain as we are option at 52%

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Bangers&Mash · Post by **Bangers&Mash** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:03 am

Would it be possible to have a topic icon like the post icons? I quick glance through the icons would allow you to then see which topic the post falls under and you can then choose to read or not?

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:03 am

Is it possible to login with simultaneous six finger print analysis so as to eradicate the trolls from less successful backwaters?

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:49 pm

I don't mind the non footy subjects though I'm not keen on the political/religious ones so I voted for those to be moved to a different forum but I'm quite happy for this generally excellent forum to remain as is topic wise if that's the majority decision.

Just wish some folk didn't have to resort to insults and abuse to make their point, if you were chatting to some stranger in a pub over a beer I'm guessing most would remain fairly civil so why not do so on an internet message board designed with fellow Clarets in mind?

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:12 pm

lets be honest. this messageboard needs change and i hope CT does change it. it is no where near the standard of CM in its heyday. too many people on this board only use it due to boredom and to argue. there really isnt anystand out posters at all.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:30 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:If the outcome I voted for doesn`t win, can I cry foul, call the winners tyrants and demand another vote?

you can cry or cheer, but you need to ask others since I am not the one making decisions, but if one is voting for something then always best to try and understand the rules, well I think so anyway

sox8595 · Post by **sox8595** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:33 pm

Like the dislike button idea but with the think set so that after a certain number of dislikes the post is shut down
Would save the mods a lot of time and curtail the bitching.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:35 pm

sox8595 wrote:Like the dislike button idea but with the think set so that after a certain number of dislikes the post is shut down
Would save the mods a lot of time and curtail the bitching.

Read my reply further up. Facebook considered this exact thing and even they decided against it.

It can be used offensively. If you didn't like a particular poster, you could just go and dislike all of their posts and cause problems. It's just not the right way of going about it.

Plus, if you dislike something there is no need for there to be a certain number of dislikes - you just report it.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:53 pm

It was always going to stay the same. Too many wrinklies on here, who are susceptible to any significant change...

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:40 pm

I still don’t understand why people who don’t like a subject matter that they simply don’t read it like the rest of us presumably do.

Garforth Claret · Post by **Garforth Claret** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:09 pm

One thread for Burnley fans and another for those who support other clubs and are just on here to be annoying. Other than that leave it exactly as it is.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:08 pm

I think the site is good but accept that some topics dont suit all but still think its important not to resort to abusing posters who put up ideas up.
I personally never respond to persons who abuse me.Its one of the advantages I have of always being right so not in need of correction.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:13 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:I personally never respond to persons who abuse me.

This is why the Foe list is there. The best feature of the board imo.

But that's more about within a thread, than the actual thread itself.

sox8595 · Post by **sox8595** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:33 am

FactualFrank wrote:Read my reply further up. Facebook considered this exact thing and even they decided against it.

It can be used offensively. If you didn't like a particular poster, you could just go and dislike all of their posts and cause problems. It's just not the right way of going about it.

Plus, if you dislike something there is no need for there to be a certain number of dislikes - you just report it.

Maybe I trust people to much, when I read a post that offends me I just close it and carry on with other posts.The "foe" feature hasn't even been used by myself.Everyone has the right to an opinion it's just sometimes the stupidity of some posts make me think a properly used dislike button would be a good thing.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:37 am

This site is Called up the Clarets.
That says it all.
If posters want to argue about other topics they should go to other sites.

spadesclaret · Post by **spadesclaret** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:50 am

Grimsby Claret wrote:This site is Called up the Clarets.
That says it all.
If posters want to DISCUSS other topics they should go to other sites.

(I have corrected that for you)

Really? Are Claret supporters so insular that they never think of anything other than football?

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:04 am

If it's not broke don't fix it.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:28 am

Grimsby Claret wrote:This site is Called up the Clarets.
That says it all.
If posters want to argue about other topics they should go to other sites.

If that was the case, I, along with many others wouldn't be here very often.

Some might see that as a good thing mind.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:46 am

I voted other. I’d delete all non football topics. As much as I enjoy reading some of them, it’s only about 1-2%. I find it dilutes the football discussion which is the reason I visit the site

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:38 pm

Why don't we just move football topics to a sub forum? That's the way this site is going anyway.

Up the politics

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:08 pm

Just "been to the other side (site)" to see if it is still as vibrant as it used to be - I think UpTheClarets probably has more posts removed from the mods than posts exist on there. We've come a long way, and UpTheClarets is a vibrant and varied place and I enjoy visiting the forum daily to get an honest, albeit biased at times, and interesting view on the days current affairs and football news.

(Ar5e kissing time...!) I have to thank the mods for keeping this place well run and in check, and they do a great job of responding to reported posts whenever I have reported something.

I voted to keep the forum as it is, if there is something I dont like - I dont read it; if there is something I think is offensive or shouldn't be on here - I report it, most of the time it gets sorted or removed and I have no complaints about how the forum is currently run or moderated.

UTC

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Just "been to the other side (site)" to see if it is still as vibrant as it used to be - I think UpTheClarets probably has more posts removed from the mods than posts exist on there. We've come a long way, and UpTheClarets is a vibrant and varied place and I enjoy visiting the forum daily to get an honest, albeit biased at times, and interesting view on the days current affairs and football news.

(Ar5e kissing time...!) I have to thank the mods for keeping this place well run and in check, and they do a great job of responding to reported posts whenever I have reported something.

I voted to keep the forum as it is, if there is something I dont like - I dont read it; if there is something I think is offensive or shouldn't be on here - I report it, most of the time it gets sorted or removed and I have no complaints about how the forum is currently run or moderated.

UTC

Being a Clarets fan ,I like to read and post on both boards ..

HieronymousBoschHobs · Post by **HieronymousBoschHobs** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:24 am

I'd strongly prefer if the board were split between football and non-football. I actually suggested this quite a while ago. To be honest, I follow the football to get away from politics - I'd rather not be reminded of Brexit etc. when I just want to read about transfer rumours or people's views on the game. It's really weird that you even need a poll for this - it's meant to be about Burnley FC and what is most significantly related to it (by and large that is the world of football). Everything else is by definition off-topic. What gain is there in having it all in one place? It is the most minor of inconveniences for those who want to argue with people on the internet about politics to go to another part of the site to do it. For the rest it is a welcome relief.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:24 am

An alert the MOD button.

People don't realise comments are seen - just as they are typed. Seen worldwide.
People always complain about the way Burnley is viewed by others outside the area - yet the most prominent Burnley message board (a site quoted in the Media - Guardian etc etc with links) allows some posts to stand that really should not be allowed?

Many posts are so wrong for 2018.
Without wishing to be too P.C., it's 2018! not the 1970's...

Better MOD's maybe? - more MODS is a yes from me.
Otherwise, keep it as it is...... sigh...............

Split the site it and it will die and be of less interest... for many parts of the year. LESS HIT'S.

I just want a site that removes the bickering, the personal insults (to whoever - for whatever reasons or agendas).
A site where threads don't get killed as soon as certain posters claim them for their pointless mischief.

Many posters and many just site readers don't bother now (as much as they would or anymore) because of this.

Fixing it is easy with will.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:46 am

spadesclaret wrote:Are Claret supporters so insular that they never think of anything other than football?

This really needs to be repeated in as large and scream-y a font as is permissible because it encapsulates the whole argument in favour of maintaining the status quo in the most succinct way possible.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:12 am

HunterST_BFC wrote:An alert the MOD button.

There already is one. It’s the “report” button !

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:29 am

Grimsby Claret wrote:This site is Called up the Clarets.
That says it all.
If posters want to argue about other topics they should go to other sites.

I don't know the financial figures but I'd be surprised if this board was sustainable as a football only site. There are so many alternatives if all you want is footie.

!aiboforceN · Post by **!aiboforceN** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:02 am

Message board is fine. I even like that if a thread goes off-topic, the original poster can edit or amend the title of the thread to reflect the new direction.

sox8595 · Post by **sox8595** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:10 am

I know there would be far less interest from myself if it was only football, the way this site is you can get local info on traffic upcoming events in the area and msybe just connect with like minded people.
IF it was to be split as someone said earlier it would lose a lot of it's dynamic content and would therefore be less interest.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:10 am

The DNA of this site basically replicates the old message board such as the throw one inn etc which we described as online pub. I've never seen a pub that only allows one sort of conversation per room. Politics ? You need to discuss that in the tap room religion ?overthere in the snug etc etc.

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:40 am

As a football forum it would make sense to split the board.

For those that have the time and need to debate other subjects they can jump on that section of the board or flit between the two.

As a Burnley fan when I come on a Clarets site I am only interested in Clarets news and topics.

To make the BFC topics easier to access has to be first and foremost for a BFC site.........doesn't it?

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:49 am

I wonder if the board was already split where this topic would have sat?

What changes would you prefer to see made to the message board