Jay Rod charged!

[Westyd]

Jay Rod has always seemed like a nice lad, but I’ve never met him and I’ve no idea what evidence the FA have.

It’ll all come out with the verdict. If the recent Wenger charge is anything to go by, they supply comprehensive details of the allegations and evidence.

Let’s wait and see.

Met him once signed my lads prog after a youth game seemed a really nice lad and havnt heard owt bad about him but there's dates you never know

[martin_p]

The video I've seen Jay doesn't speak.
He gets Bong in his face gobbing off and then holds his nose and wafts his hand.
For all we know Bong might have had double garlic for his pre-match or he could be insinuating your talking sh1t but I don't see anything racist at all and I wouldn't back him if I did.

Bong has tweeted about ‘some words’ so it seems to be about more than gestures.

[Rick_Muller]

Not sure he should be expected to prove his innocence; it is up to them to prove on the balance of probabilities that he is guilty

I’d like to think they’d have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty and not just the balance of probabilities - it’s a mans intergity at stake here.

[martin_p]

Unless someone else has heard anything or there’s camera footage that can be lip read I don’t see how he can be proved guilty.

[TVC15]

I agree that from what we know of Jay Rod surprised if he has said anything racist.
However if you look at the incident before Jay held his nose he definitely said something to Bong.

I don't think anyone else was near them both so this sounds like it's going to be one word against t'other....which should mean he is proven innocent.

[Rightfoot]

Its fare to say that the lad Bong may actually Pong

[LeadBelly]

POST 8 says.... "If he’s been charged there must be some proof. No place for it in the game."

Lots of people who get charged with things turn out to be innocent. In recent times, official bodies are going out of their way to flag that they are not racist (and fully PC) & thus have to take charges like this seriously and investigate.

I believe people are innocent until proven guilty.

[Woodleyclaret]

Total nonsense and as another poster said Deeneys one finger gesture was offensive and he got off with no charge

[evensteadiereddie]

If any evidence is produced and Jay's explanation for his gesture is not plausible, he deserves to get his ar$e kicked whether he's one of "ours" or not.
If there's no substance to the allegations, he'll be fine.
What's the problem ?

[Bordeauxclaret]

If any evidence is produced and Jay's explanation for his gesture is not plausible, he deserves to get his ar$e kicked whether he's one of "ours" or not.
If there's no substance to the allegations, he'll be fine.
What's the problem ?

I’d be furious if I was charged with something without any evidence.

[evensteadiereddie]

It would be highly unlikely even the FA buffoons would charge someone with something as serious as this without some evidence.
It'd be a pretty short hearing if they did.

[mdd2]

I’d like to think they’d have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty and not just the balance of probabilities - it’s a mans intergity at stake here.

I am not a lawyer but I suspect they go on balance of probabilities rather than the criminal beyond reasonable doubt which is how if taken to Court he may be found not guilty but could be punished by the FA; not that this will be going to Court.
If you are correct then there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he could be convicted on the video we have all seen as the gesture could mean several things

[Rileybobs]

I’ve got no idea what Rodriguez is like as a person but the FA must have more evidence than the fingers to the nose gesture otherwise it is a diabolical decision to charge him. Brighton gain from any potential ban as well.

It will be interesting to see how this develops, especially considering the inexcusable decision the FA made to not charge Deeney this week.

[Burnleyareback2]

Would be amazed if this was true, if proven innocent I hope the FA have the balls to go after Bong and serve him with the same punishment that Jay would of received, if not more.

[IanMcL]

To think what players used to say and do to opponents!

[DuckworthsEA]

Is everyone on here sticking up for him just because he's a Burnley lad and ex Burnley player? That's not really a reason to immediately defend someone. See what happens.[/quote]

What’s wrong if people are sticking up for him based on his past history with the club? Unless you have seen different footage of the alleged incident than the rest of it’s hardly conclusive. If proven guilty then I’m sure the same people wouldn’t condone his actions. Nothing wrong with backing your own and showing support for fellow Clarets. UTC

[Jimmymaccer]

I can see it now...l.April 28th we play Bong Brighton at The Turf....an opportunity if ever there was to wind up an opposition player. Hold yer noses lads and lasses!

On a serious note tho, it seems to be a he says/I say dispute. Allegedly JR said “you’re black and you stink”.

If Bong raised a complaint, just as in any work place they’d be duty bound to investigate with a Hearing Manager. Only then, if that independent Manager felt there could be a case for disciplinary action would it then progress to a disciplinary Hearing.

If there was evidence ie the ref heard it or they’ve got video footage he’d already be banged to rights and Jay would/should confirm exactly what he did say. The sad thing is Bong immediately after the match resorted to twitter rather than keeping his Counsel.

Racism doesn’t have any place in our world but If there is no evidence JR should sue the arse off Bong for defamatory comments oh and next time they play each other, launch him into row z. If he has said something he’s been a prat and will face the consequences. How they prove it tho?

[Milltown1882]

If Jay wasn't an ex Burnley player would he still be getting the same level of defence on here? I'm sure everyone rallied round Luis Suarez on here when he got charged before being banned for the same thing...

[Pepperclaret]

I remember a few years ago when we were playing at Ewood and Wade Elliott was confronted face to face by Pascal Chimbonda. Wade reacted by waving his hand in front of his face with an obvious insinuation. From the 'still' of the Jay-Bong incident it looks like a similar incident but one of the participants has decided to take it to a different level. The seriousness of this perceived offence pales into insignificance compared to the Holgate - Firmino incident of a few weeks ago.
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[taio]

I would hope that his respone to the charge is brief and to the point... along these lines:

"Whilst what I said was unnecessary and childish, I said nothing racist. I will defend my position in the strongest possible terms. Which means I will be pursuing the FA through court should it proceed with labelling and punishing me as a racist"

[Bishnal]

Surely it’s jays word against his?!!

[Spike]

Deeney gesture - caught on camera - no charge

JRod - no supporting evidence- charged

Could the FA get any more incompetent

Diving is OK.

Elbowing an opposition player is OK unless done by a Claret

blatant penalty but not given because Hendrick plays for Burnley

City cant even be arsed to pick 18 players but not fined
Playground antics on the pitch are deemed racist because Bong is less than white

Gray banned for historic tweets -Neville promoted


The FA bring themselves into disrepute on a daily basis

[beddie]

My concern is the nose and hand gesture. There's no getting away from those actions having been carried out.

[Rick_Muller]

My concern is the nose and hand gesture. There's no getting away from those actions having been carried out.

but in what way is that ever or has ever been interpreted as being racist?

[Paulclaret]

Anyone who has ever met Jay will know he's one of the nicest lads you could possibly wish to meet. The look of horror on his face when he hears what Bong is saying to the ref tells me all I need to know.

[TVC15]

My concern is the nose and hand gesture. There's no getting away from those actions having been carried out.

What do you mean ? Why are you concerned about one grown man calling another grown man "smelly" ?

My own view on this is that Bong has either thought he heard something racist or worse he has just played the race card in a moment of petulance straight after the game.

If it`s the latter he is now in a situation that he feels he can`t back down but also probably knows that even if he withdraws his claim or Jay is found innocent that he has already inflicted damage, upset and stress to Jay and his reputation.

Most people will think that the charge has been dismissed because of a lack of evidence and no damage will be done to Bong`s reputation - yet there will be people out there who still think Jay has been racist and unfortunately he will be tainted with this for a long time. Even if Jay issues legal action and wins he will still be thought by some as racist...infact the longer it goes on with court cases etc the more chance of him being tainted / remembered for this.

Unfortunately Jay is in one of those horrible no win situations that happens when you are in the public eye and Bong and others who have done similar things in the past will know this all too well.

[CardyTheClaret]

You’re allowed to slur a whole town, apparently. Daft bitch.

[UpTheBeehole]

You’re allowed to slur a whole town, apparently. Daft bitch.

She probably came on here and saw all the racist nonsense which comes out of some posters

[CardyTheClaret]

She probably came on here and saw all the racist nonsense which comes out of some posters

And that would make her right?

[Darthlaw]

And that would make her right?

As much as if she surmised we're a town full of argumentative bellends after reading UTB's posts.

[UpTheBeehole]

As much as if she surmised we're a town full of argumentative bellends after reading UTB's posts.

Or a town with posters who adopt a persona from a 70s childrens film

[houseboy]

That is the question.

Odd, I thought 'to be or not to be' was the question.

[houseboy]

I agree that from what we know of Jay Rod surprised if he has said anything racist.
However if you look at the incident before Jay held his nose he definitely said something to Bong.

I don't think anyone else was near them both so this sounds like it's going to be one word against t'other....which should mean he is proven innocent.

But not in the politically correct world where the 'offended' always seems to be given the benefit for fear of causing.....offence.

[houseboy]

POST 8 says.... "If he’s been charged there must be some proof. No place for it in the game."

Lots of people who get charged with things turn out to be innocent. In recent times, official bodies are going out of their way to flag that they are not racist (and fully PC) & thus have to take charges like this seriously and investigate.

I believe people are innocent until proven guilty.

I agree entirely - innocent until proven otherwise. The problem with cases like this is that the official bodies concerned are themselves afraid of being branded racist/homophobic/sexist/anyotherkindofist and so sometimes come out of it being less than fair to the alleged guilty party. The thinking being unless it's glaringly obvious someone is innocent they don't want to be seen to be making a mistake the other way.

[ŽižkovClaret]

You’re allowed to slur a whole town, apparently. Daft bitch.

I'd point out the irony to her but i don't think it would sink in

[TVC15]

I know houseboy - its crazy and as i have said in my other post Jay is in a no win situation.

I do think that without witnesses or any evidence that the FA would be on very shaky ground if they found Jay guilty. Jay could take legal action against the FA and then we are back in the real world where he would be found innocent.

Unfortunately the FA seem to have an arbitrary approach of who they choose to charge irrespective of tiny little factors like evidence and proof.

And you are correct that they are scared sh-itless of not following up anything connected to racism which is pathetic really as whatever the incident if there is no evidence there is no evidence.

[BurnleyFC]

You’re allowed to slur a whole town, apparently. Daft bitch.

She needs to learn how to spell ‘racism’ first, the daft cow.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

The FA probably the worst sporting association for sexual discrimination and as far as I know haven't suffered any censure for their decades of sexism.

[LeadBelly]

"you're black and you stink" has been reported (by The Times) as the insult in question. It doesnt sound a likely phrase to use if you want to make a racial slur in the heat of the moment, there would be many more obvious choices.

Incident is best shown at c 30 seconds in link below from The Sun. The ref wasn't near enough to hear anything by the looks of it so it'll likely come down to one man's word against another. Certainly Bong was right into JayRods face before he came back with the nose squeezing gesture and Bong was already angry by then following the little collision they had. Maybe he said "get back" or some-such thing-to get the guy out of his face.

We await proceedings/revelations of evidence etc.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... me-ban-fa/

[Caernarfon_Claret]

The way The FA continues to operate I'll only be a matter of time before a player takes them to court for defamation.

[Longtimeclaret]

Do not think for one second that Jay said anything racist
Based on that assumption, if he is found "not guilty " of the accusation,then I wonder what grounds he has for defamation against his accuser
If it was me, given the way his reputation has been tarnished, I would pursue that to the hilt

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Probably a huge misunderstanding with both parties deeply offended by what they both see as injustice.

[cutsy123]

5 match ban im hearing if guilty

[Croydon Claret]

Have the FA ever charged anyone and not found them guilty?

[ElectroClaret]

Unfortunately the FA seem to have an arbitrary approach of who they choose to charge irrespective of tiny little factors like evidence and proof.

Absolutely.

Welcome to the new McCarthyism.

[Indecisive]

"you're black and you stink" has been reported (by The Times) as the insult in question. It doesnt sound a likely phrase to use if you want to make a racial slur in the heat of the moment, there would be many more obvious choices.

Incident is best shown at c 30 seconds in link below from The Sun. The ref wasn't near enough to hear anything by the looks of it so it'll likely come down to one man's word against another. Certainly Bong was right into JayRods face before he came back with the nose squeezing gesture and Bong was already angry by then following the little collision they had. Maybe he said "get back" or some-such thing-to get the guy out of his face.

We await proceedings/revelations of evidence etc.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... me-ban-fa/

I've got the feeling by Bong response , both immediately and since, he's convinced jay said something racist. In the heat of the moment, with background noise of the crowd, it's perfectly feasible he could have misheard.

There's also a good chance jay can't even remember what he said, but is just 100% it wasn't racist and hes angry at bong for the slur.

Can't help feeling the fa are going to give him a ban, on the basis that even if bong misheard, jays 'Your breath stinks' gesture was inappropriate.

'You're black and you stink' doesn't sound right at all. Can't even see a racist saying that...

[conyoviejo]

Maybe he said "Get back you stink."

[IanMcL]

If you are going to start a witch hunt, a lad from near Pendle Hill is an ideal sacrifice.

[Rick_Muller]

Maybe he said "Get back you stink."

I’m convinced that this is the only valid explanation for it and in a way they may both be “right”.

By that I mean that Bong, in his head, misheard what Jay said and with English not being his first language he heard “ya black, you stink” especially if you consider Jay’s east Lancs accent. Think of it like Peter Kay’s misheard song lyrics and you can see how some words are misheard.

And by the same token Jay is also “right” in that in no way whatsoever do I think he used any racist terms and that is also what he said, I 100% believe he has not said anything racist.

I just hope that Jay comes out of this with his intergity intact, but I fear the damage may already be done.

[ontario claret]

Footballers do this to each other all of the time. Just because the other player is coloured doesn't make it racist.