Other player was black you mean?ontario claret wrote:Footballers do this to each other all of the time. Just because the other player is coloured doesn't make it racist.
Jay Rod charged!
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"Coloured" is the term used in Canada. It's more PC.
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Guilty by association ie he's from Burnley.
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Used to be here but it is not PC these days apparently. Was ticked off by my son saying the coloured lad in my gsons team was a very good player.ontario claret wrote:"Coloured" is the term used in Canada. It's more PC.
Told that these days i should say black.
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It wasn't advisable to tick Dads of in the sixties.you need to put your foot down... With a firm hand.mdd2 wrote:Used to be here but it is not PC these days apparently. Was ticked off by my son saying the coloured lad in my gsons team was a very good player.
Told that these days i should say black.
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We are at that stage where he gives me advice not vice versa
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The names we give for skin colour all seem a bit odd to me.
I've never seen a person with white skin in my entire life.
Polar Bears yes humans no.
(although it'll be pointed out that under the fur polar bears are actually black and they just reflect the colour of the surroundings)
I've never seen a person with white skin in my entire life.
Polar Bears yes humans no.
(although it'll be pointed out that under the fur polar bears are actually black and they just reflect the colour of the surroundings)
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No it isn't. Its a derogatory term and is a put down.ontario claret wrote:"Coloured" is the term used in Canada. It's more PC.
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Seems to me J R stands no chance of a fair and unbiased heating such is the F.A,s fear of being itself labelled racist .
In my opinion Bong has probably played the racist card to gain advantage for his side during the course of the match .Bong can not now back down as he would be admitting he is a cheat .
In my opinion Bong has probably played the racist card to gain advantage for his side during the course of the match .Bong can not now back down as he would be admitting he is a cheat .
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Asked for an extension to respond to the charge:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43079270" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Anyone know why?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43079270" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Anyone know why?
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I read somewhere that Jay was seeking the help of a lipreading expert to disprove the accusation.
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I say "coloured". You say something else, or maybe nothing at all. Do you also pretend that there is not a difference in skin pigmentation, and that we were not born in different cultures?
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http://www.rifemagazine.co.uk/2015/01/c ... -answered/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;ontario claret wrote:I say "coloured". You say something else, or maybe nothing at all. Do you also pretend that there is not a difference in skin pigmentation, and that we were not born in different cultures?
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The entire point of living in a "free'" society is the right to set your own standards.
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when Halle Berry claims to be a person of colour, is that because she's racist?Siddo wrote:No it isn't. Its a derogatory term and is a put down.
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Can't say "coloured people" but "people of colour" is ok. Who makes up these rules?Indecisive wrote:http://www.rifemagazine.co.uk/2015/01/c ... -answered/
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Yeah seems legit that white people should get to decide what is and isn't offensive/inappropriate to a black person.
Yeah, yeah...free world...free speech blah blah blah. Mate black people were, and still are, treated differently due to the colour of their skin.
My sole point was that 'coloured' isn't seen as the right term to use for a black person.
Find it pretty weird that people are trying to argue against it....or even weren't aware. To me, it's just common knowledge.
I'm not offended. You might unintentionally offend others though, which is why I pointed it out. You might just not care I guess....
Yeah, yeah...free world...free speech blah blah blah. Mate black people were, and still are, treated differently due to the colour of their skin.
My sole point was that 'coloured' isn't seen as the right term to use for a black person.
Find it pretty weird that people are trying to argue against it....or even weren't aware. To me, it's just common knowledge.
I'm not offended. You might unintentionally offend others though, which is why I pointed it out. You might just not care I guess....
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What is a mystery to me is why anyone gives more of a toss about Jay Rodriguez than they would any other player.
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A stab in the dark - because he used to play for Burnley, is from Burnley and some people on here know him and/or his family.Chobulous wrote:What is a mystery to me is why anyone gives more of a toss about Jay Rodriguez than they would any other player.
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And he's the ambassador for Pendleside Hospicetaio wrote:A stab in the dark - because he used to play for Burnley, is from Burnley and some people on here know him and/or is family.
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They're not white. Their fur is ivory/cream coloured.Caernarfon_Claret wrote:The names we give for skin colour all seem a bit odd to me.
I've never seen a person with white skin in my entire life.
Polar Bears yes humans no.
(although it'll be pointed out that under the fur polar bears are actually black and they just reflect the colour of the surroundings)
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Sorry.CJW wrote:They're not white. Their fur is ivory/cream coloured.
No offense meant.
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I’ve got a mate who is a polar bear and he’s absolutely fur-ious at this comment.Caernarfon_Claret wrote:The names we give for skin colour all seem a bit odd to me.
I've never seen a person with white skin in my entire life.
Polar Bears yes humans no.
(although it'll be pointed out that under the fur polar bears are actually black and they just reflect the colour of the surroundings)
Sorry. I’ll get me coat.
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it's easy really, "People of color" is about people first as the identifier, whereas "colored people" is the reverse.Croydon Claret wrote:Can't say "coloured people" but "people of colour" is ok. Who makes up these rules?
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I think that's maybe going to be beyond the comprehension of a couple on here mate.NRC wrote:it's easy really, "People of color" is about people first as the identifier, whereas "colored people" is the reverse.
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Not wanting to complicate things but polar bears skin is actually black.Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Sorry.
No offense meant.
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Shore claret wrote:Not wanting to complicate things but polar bears skin is actually black.
Didn't I predict someone would come along with that lovely fact.
As the fur reflects the surroundings they'd actually look Claret if they visited Turf Moor.
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Foulthrow wrote:I’ve got a mate who is a polar bear and he’s absolutely fur-ious at this comment.
Sorry. I’ll get me coat.
I'm an ambassador for PETA* and am outraged that you use the terms fur and coat in the same post.
* (or naturist)
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Beyond the pale, reallyShore claret wrote:Not wanting to complicate things but polar bears skin is actually black.
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Have to say that's ******** The enclosure in Prague Zoo is grey as anything and they are still dulux creamy whiteCaernarfon_Claret wrote:Didn't I predict someone would come along with that lovely fact.
As the fur reflects the surroundings they'd actually look Claret if they visited Turf Moor.
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OK it's supposed to reflect the surroundings.ZizkovClaret wrote:Have to say that's ******** The enclosure in Prague Zoo is grey as anything and they are still dulux creamy white
Things don't always do as Scientists say.
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Did I completely miss why the look white!
The hair of a polar bear looks white because the air spaces in each hair scatter light of all colors. The color white becomes visible to our eyes when an object reflects back all of the visible wavelengths of light, rather than absorbing some of the wavelengths.
Which is something I knew and then for some reason forgot and thought some rubbish instead.
The hair of a polar bear looks white because the air spaces in each hair scatter light of all colors. The color white becomes visible to our eyes when an object reflects back all of the visible wavelengths of light, rather than absorbing some of the wavelengths.
Which is something I knew and then for some reason forgot and thought some rubbish instead.
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A number of polar bears in zoos from around the world were turning green! These scientists discovered that the algae responsible for making the bears green were not on the SURFACE of the hairs, as originally supposed, but were INSIDE the hairs (Lewin & Robinson, 1979). The algae more than likely came from the pond waters in the bears’ enclosures.
https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/polarbear.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I thought they were just envious.
https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/polarbear.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I thought they were just envious.
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But it breaks the rules of English grammar and sounds awkward that way.NRC wrote:it's easy really, "People of color" is about people first as the identifier, whereas "colored people" is the reverse.
Should one re-reverse it if speaking French?
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Perhaps Jay’s Dad can discreetly Ava word like.....they could sort it out in the Billet.
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This infuriates me. I only saw a clip of the incident and it was obvious nothing untoward was said - just watch Jay's body language when he realizes the other player has told the ref a pack of lies. Whoever the other player was he should be banned for a very long time - this makes diving in the box so insignificant.
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I hope that's where the evidence points Sutton-Claret.Sutton-Claret wrote:This infuriates me. I only saw a clip of the incident and it was obvious nothing untoward was said - just watch Jay's body language when he realizes the other player has told the ref a pack of lies. Whoever the other player was he should be banned for a very long time - this makes diving in the box so insignificant.
Indeed, if we are to ensure that the crime of racism is truly abhorrent to polite society then we need to do the same to making false accusations of racism.
I have good faith in Jay and hope it is not misplaced. I also fear that the FA will fudge their verdict (or worse) and that he will not receive a fair trial. Given the lack of available evidence right now, it seems abominable that he has even been charged.
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Agreed Rowls - but given the lack of evidence I am hoping that Jay`s people threaten the FA with legal action if they do find him guilty. If they do find him guilty I think this would be over turned by the lawyers as from everything I could see and what I have read there is absolutely no way they can tell what has been said and there are no witnesses on the pitch anywhere near themRowls wrote:I hope that's where the evidence points Sutton-Claret.
Indeed, if we are to ensure that the crime of racism is truly abhorrent to polite society then we need to do the same to making false accusations of racism.
I have good faith in Jay and hope it is not misplaced. I also fear that the FA will fudge their verdict (or worse) and that he will not receive a fair trial. Given the lack of available evidence right now, it seems abominable that he has even been charged.
....I think we are down to a lip reading expert deciding this.
Jay in a no win position here - even if he`s proven innocent it must have been stressful to be accused of this and unfortunately for the more ignorant people mud sticks etc
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As Rick_Muller said in post #100 what if Bong genuinely thinks Jay-Rod said something inappropriate, even though it's highly unlikely?
Then what? Does that mean if Bong misheard something (which looks highly likely in this case) he should automatically be called a liar if it can't be proven either way what's been said?
Would that really be a false accusation?
And what if in future a player really does say something racist, but only the two players involved know what's gone on? How should a black player deal with that situation if nothing can be proven? They would be fearful of being called a liar, simply because they can't provide any evidence.
Then what? Does that mean if Bong misheard something (which looks highly likely in this case) he should automatically be called a liar if it can't be proven either way what's been said?
Would that really be a false accusation?
And what if in future a player really does say something racist, but only the two players involved know what's gone on? How should a black player deal with that situation if nothing can be proven? They would be fearful of being called a liar, simply because they can't provide any evidence.
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Bong has been annoyed about the insuiation from Jay he pongs, captured clearly via TV
In my view, that has caused him to react via a racial,slur allegation
We can all make different assumptions on the limited video evidence _thats mine
If I was Jay, when I am found innocent , I would pursue defamation and damage to my reputation to the nth degree, but I would understand if relief kicked in, and he tried to forget about the whole sorry episode
Don't condem racism for one second , but don't for one second think there has been any racial slur
I do believe Bong is less than truthful
In my view, that has caused him to react via a racial,slur allegation
We can all make different assumptions on the limited video evidence _thats mine
If I was Jay, when I am found innocent , I would pursue defamation and damage to my reputation to the nth degree, but I would understand if relief kicked in, and he tried to forget about the whole sorry episode
Don't condem racism for one second , but don't for one second think there has been any racial slur
I do believe Bong is less than truthful
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In my eyes the accusation isn't the issue if it's a case of misunderstanding. The issue I, and I'm sure Jay and his legal representatives, have is with Bong going on TV multiple times to make his statements. That's where it's gone into the realms of defamation.Spijed wrote:As Rick_Muller said in post #100 what if Bong genuinely thinks Jay-Rod said something inappropriate, even though it's highly unlikely?
Then what? Does that mean if Bong misheard something (which looks highly likely in this case) he should automatically be called a liar if it can't be proven either way what's been said?
Would that really be a false accusation?
And what if in future a player really does say something racist, but only the two players involved know what's gone on? How should a black player deal with that situation if nothing can be proven? They would be fearful of being called a liar, simply because they can't provide any evidence.
If the accusation isn't upheld then this is what Bong should be made to answer for.
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20 years ago it would have been the oppositemdd2 wrote:Used to be here but it is not PC these days apparently. Was ticked off by my son saying the coloured lad in my gsons team was a very good player.
Told that these days i should say black.
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There's something of a precedent today. Firmino cleared of allegations of racism v Holgate in Liverpool v Everton game. Though the judgement is very careful NOT to accuse Holgate of a malicious charge.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... llegations
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... llegations
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Firmino was never charged. The FA don't charge unless they have evidence and are confident the charges will stand. No way Rodriguez will escape a ban.LeadBelly wrote:There's something of a precedent today. Firmino cleared of allegations of racism v Holgate in Liverpool v Everton game. Though the judgement is very careful NOT to accuse Holgate of a malicious charge.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... llegations
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What interests me is the amount of time, effort and money that went into the investigation by the FA. As far as one can see, there was no-one else near enough to hear the Jay-Bong exchange. So no third party evidence. Does this indicate the FA's view that Liverpool-Everton relations are more important than West Brom-Brighton? Seems to be a different standard. We'll see.
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Not a bad bone in Jay rods body, really feel for the lad, for all the verbal racism we see at football games, most of us can lip read to an extent, but jr never spoke a word during the incident, how many times do we see spanish players verbally abuse opposing players? They get away with it all the time, bloody FA need to sort themselves out, a set of tossers.
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I doubt the F.A. would charge Jay without taking legal advice and without looking at all the evidence, including all the camera footage that probably isn't in the public domain.
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The FA still receive government funding despite allegations that they covered up sexual abuse of children for years.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... on-growing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's not saying that the FA don't have the right to charge players for offences, just historically whilst their misdemeanors are reported in the press they tend to have friends in high places to protect them.
Makes them hypocrites in my eyes as they squirm their way out of scandals time and time again.
There is no way the FA should be in charge of grassroots football.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... on-growing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's not saying that the FA don't have the right to charge players for offences, just historically whilst their misdemeanors are reported in the press they tend to have friends in high places to protect them.
Makes them hypocrites in my eyes as they squirm their way out of scandals time and time again.
There is no way the FA should be in charge of grassroots football.