Dagestan church massacre

[LordBob]

A lone gunman using a hunting rifle opened fire and shot dead 5 Christian worshipers in Dagestan , so what another Muslim attack !! No, even though it was a Muslim he was probably not a local Muslim. Dagestan is the way we should be the community is a most harmonious one why has this happened, who has wanted this to happen? Why ??

[ClaretAndJew]

Mentalists

[tim_noone]

Where is Dagestan ?

[LordBob]

Where is Dagestan ?

Was part of the old USSR

[tim_noone]

Thought it didn't sound American...guns and all that occurs there.

[Holmeclaret]

Barbaric attack.

[bumba]

There has been more than 32570 Muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11 an has been over 42 Muslim terrorist attacks in the past week.
Make of that what you want from that so called religion

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

A true Muslim would not lend themselves to violent attacks on any persons.

“Whoever kills a person…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

[Lord Beamish]

Wasn’t “Dagestan Church Massacre” an early Hit for the Bee Gees?

[chekhov]

A true Muslim would not lend themselves to violent attacks on any persons.

“Whoever kills a person…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

And can I now invoke the dozens of verses that invoke Muslims to kill non-believers?

[Sidney1st]

Cult member attacks members of different branch of same cult.

[Lancasterclaret]

And can I now invoke the dozens of verses that invoke Muslims to kill non-believers?

Knock yourself out, but make sure you mention that there are also loads of lines like that in the Bible as well.

[RingoMcCartney]

Cult member attacks members of different branch of same cult.

Again. And again. And again.......

[Lancasterclaret]

So thats the Bee Gees and the Quo mentioned already on this thread

[chekhov]

Knock yourself out, but make sure you mention that there are also loads of lines like that in the Bible as well.

Not sure that's the case but anyway the point is it's not the Christians going out killing non-believers for the sake of their religion.

[Lancasterclaret]

Course it isn't.

they never do that. Ever.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

And can I now invoke the dozens of verses that invoke Muslims to kill non-believers?

Huge misconception and contextually those passages are not applicable to the present day.

you’re talking about a book that’s 1400 years old.

You can make almost any piece of text serve your own agenda if you try hard enough.

The Quran is very clear, killing another person is wrong. You can’t pick and choose tiny bits of text and proclaim to be a follower of that text on the whole.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

A reading from Samuel 15:3 in the Bible talks of God ordering a genocide against neighbouring people:

‘‘This is what the lord almighty says.. ‘now go and strike amalek and to devote destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and women, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey’’

Does that justify a Christian being a terrorist? If he became a terrorist, would he still be a proper Christian?

I’d wager not.

[chekhov]

Thousands of Muslim suicide attacks by Muslims killing non-believers. This is a fact. They tell us they are martyring themselves in the name of their religion. Should we disbelieve them?
The fact there are violent passages in the bible is beside the point.

[Lancasterclaret]

Well, no

No one on here thinks anything other than the Muslims killing each other in the name of religion are utter ****.

But you can't pretend that this is just a Muslim issue. There are religious motivated killings all the time, be it the recent events in Burma, or Hindus v Muslims in India, Christians v Muslims in Nigeria (and others). This is a fact.

All wrong, all despicable and all in the name of whichever batshit religion they believe in.

[thatdberight]

A reading from Samuel 15:3 in the Bible talks of God ordering a genocide against neighbouring people:

‘‘This is what the lord almighty says.. ‘now go and strike amalek and to devote destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and women, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey’’

Does that justify a Christian being a terrorist? If he became a terrorist, would he still be a proper Christian?

I’d wager not.

Quoting the Old Testament to critique Christian theology rather misses the point.

[Lancasterclaret]

And also you have to remember that the vast majority of victims of Muslim bombings and shootings are......other Muslims.

[chekhov]

And also you have to remember that the vast majority of victims of Muslim bombings and shootings are......other Muslims.

I suppose the only point I'm trying to make is that a lot of violence perpetrated by Muslims is motivated by their religion. That's not to say there isn't lots of other violence perpetrated by other groups. There is a specific current problem with Islam though.

[mkmel]

I said to my Son the other day about virtually all terrorist attacks being by Muslims.

I still maintain that is true but he pointed out about the many thousands of Muslims that have been killed in Burma/Myanmar by supposedly peaceful Buddhists although that is more genocide.
But what does the Western world do about it......nothing

[chekhov]

What's happening in Myanmar is horrendous but it illustrates the difference between Islam and Buddhism in that there is nothing in the Buddhist texts that invokes killing Muslims. Quite the opposite actually. The teachings of the Buddha are very peaceful.

[Lancasterclaret]

But clearly not peaceful enough to stop religous genocide though?

Quick edit - so essentially its not the religious text that is the issue, its the religion, whatever that religion might be. The more things that make people "different" from others, the more reasons people can find to hate them.

Christ, see every thread on here about immigrants as an example.

[Sidney1st]

Hopefully one day humanity reaches a point where it throws religion into the bin.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Quoting the Old Testament to critique Christian theology rather misses the point.

I’m not critiquing any theology.

It’s a comparison between the two books, both of which have some questionable content.

The 10 commandments are in the Old Testament, they’re certainly referenced as essential in my own faith (Catholicism). They’re are many corner stones in Judo-Christian heritage within the Old Testament.

It would certainly be easy for someone to misinterpret or justify an awful act with the verse quoted above, it doesn’t make them a Christian, it makes them an evil person that uses religion to justify their crimes.

You can’t blame an entire religious group for the actions of a select few.

[Lancasterclaret]

You can’t blame an entire religious group for the actions of a select few.

You are going to be triggering a few with that one!

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

You are going to be triggering a few with that one!

I can’t believe some of the stuff I read of this messageboard. It’s 2018 not 1980.

I went of a coach last season, I won’t say which supporters club and heard people using the N word in a seriously derogatory sense.

We need to pull ourselves into the modern world, seriously, it’s embarrassing.

[mkmel]

I would use the word disgusting re Neanderthals saying the N word