22 years ago today..Jarvis Cocker

[karatekid]

Ran on stage during Michael Jacksons Earth Song at the Brits. Rock'n'roll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJluMi8bXYo

[Rowls]

Hero

[randomclaret2]

Got him the required publicity

[CleggHall]

Common people!

[yTib]

Got him the required publicity

jarvis doesn't need publicity.

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[houseboy]

Absolute prat. Earth Song was a great song whatever you might think of the stage production. Cocker was behaving like a self-serving tool. Jackson was putting on a show not, as Cocker suggested after his act of self-publicity, pretending to be Jesus. The only person on the stage that night that was being something he wasn't was Cocker himself. He was pretending to be important, he wasn't and isn't.
Incidentally although I liked Jackson I wasn't a massive fan but I don't like people who use other people to piggy back their own agendas.

[yTib]

i love cocker and jackson but i think jarvis was just trying to demonstrate at jackson's perceived piousness. especially with all those children.

he could be extremely self-important. jackson that is.

[Dublin7Claret]

To quote one of Jarvis lyrics "I am not Jesus, but I have the same initials"

[randomclaret2]

Hes managed to eke out a lucrative career on a modicum of " talent "

[houseboy]

i love cocker and jackson but i think jarvis was just trying to demonstrate at jackson's perceived piousness. especially with all those children.

he could be extremely self-important. jackson that is.

Jackson was a complex character (and possibly more than a little bonkers) but I'm not sure he saw himself in that way. I was fascinated by him as a person and watched a couple of things about him around that time. Whatever he may or may not have been I don't think he was self-important or arrogant, quite the opposite, he came across as insecure and somewhat naïve. Obviously we don't know what he was really like and we can only judge from what we saw, but the astonishing performer on stage certainly didn't come across in interviews where he often seemed very gentle and shy.
My wife has a degree in psychology and works with adults with learning difficulties, many of whom have high end autism and she was convinced that was what Jackson had, a genius in one aspect of life but with difficulty interacting in a normal way.
Was he a child abuser? I don't think so, I think he was just an innocent who was extremely badly advised. After all he had no childhood to speak of due to his father's obsession with gaining fame and fortune through his kids. Look at Neverland, no ordinary adult would conceive of that.
As I say, a very complex manchild with a whole sackful of issues.

[yTib]

i wasn't alluding to any allegations of child abuse. i meant during that incident jackson had a trail of kids in tow.

putting himself as some sort of godhead.

he was my hero in the mid-eighties but as they say - never meet 'em.

[Quickenthetempo]

Jackson was a complex character (and possibly more than a little bonkers) but I'm not sure he saw himself in that way. I was fascinated by him as a person and watched a couple of things about him around that time. Whatever he may or may not have been I don't think he was self-important or arrogant, quite the opposite, he came across as insecure and somewhat naïve. Obviously we don't know what he was really like and we can only judge from what we saw, but the astonishing performer on stage certainly didn't come across in interviews where he often seemed very gentle and shy.
My wife has a degree in psychology and works with adults with learning difficulties, many of whom have high end autism and she was convinced that was what Jackson had, a genius in one aspect of life but with difficulty interacting in a normal way.
Was he a child abuser? I don't think so, I think he was just an innocent who was extremely badly advised. After all he had no childhood to speak of due to his father's obsession with gaining fame and fortune through his kids. Look at Neverland, no ordinary adult would conceive of that.
As I say, a very complex manchild with a whole sackful of issues.

Why did he pay out all them millions of dollars hush money if he wasn't a Kiddy fiddler?


Free Jarvis

[yTib]

Hes managed to eke out a lucrative career on a modicum of " talent "

are you serious?

different class was actually different class.

common people transcends popular music; it is pure social commentary.

you sir are a buffoon.

[houseboy]

Why did he pay out all them millions of dollars hush money if he wasn't a Kiddy fiddler?


Free Jarvis

As I think was said at the time to prevent a very long and expensive law suit. It was only perceived by some as 'hush money'. Plus, as I said, he was very badly advised. I'm not saying nothing happened with children, just that on the balance of what I saw and read I don't believe he did anything wrong in that sense.

[Loyalclaret]

As I think was said at the time to prevent a very long and expensive law suit. It was only perceived by some as 'hush money'. Plus, as I said, he was very badly advised. I'm not saying nothing happened with children, just that on the balance of what I saw and read I don't believe he did anything wrong in that sense.

[houseboy]

Perhaps a tad wrongly worded. I meant to say that although I don't know, none of us do, whether anything happened with children, I don't believe it did, on balance.

[TVC15]

Stop digging Houseboy !

Jarvis Cocker and Pulp were brilliant - still are.

As for Wacko Jacko great music yes but there is also a good reason for his nickname !!

What JC did at the Brits was fine by me - he did it for a reason and that was definitely not to raise his own publicity. Jarvis has never given a sh-it about that.

[Lord Beamish]

If Michael Jackson, the 40 year old bus driver from Cleethorpes, was up in court, accused of plying ten year old boys with wine(Jesus Juice) and then spending the night in the same bed as them, I don't this many folk would be standing up for him, saying he was a 'bit eccentric'. I don't think he'd be able to but the kid's families silence with a free bus pass either.

[dermotdermot]

Jarvis Cocker. A one hit blunder. Best forgotten about.

[yTib]

one hit blunder?

they had four top ten hits from one album (4x platinum different class) alone.

[TractorFace]

Jarvis Cocker and Pulp actually were a different class to much of the dross the record companies signed up in their rush to jump on the Britpop bandwagon.

[TractorFace]

If Michael Jackson, the 40 year old bus driver from Cleethorpes, was up in court, accused of plying ten year old boys with wine(Jesus Juice) and then spending the night in the same bed as them, I don't this many folk would be standing up for him, saying he was a 'bit eccentric'. I don't think he'd be able to but the kid's families silence with a free bus pass either.

This.

Some of you need to get real.

[Loyalclaret]

If Michael Jackson, the 40 year old bus driver from Cleethorpes, was up in court, accused of plying ten year old boys with wine(Jesus Juice) and then spending the night in the same bed as them, I don't this many folk would be standing up for him, saying he was a 'bit eccentric'. I don't think he'd be able to but the kid's families silence with a free bus pass either.

Had this many times with friends who are fans of MJ over the years.

Although in this country he might not get done in court for continuously getting into bed with children and apparently not doing anything, if this was a normal chap in Burnley his house would be burnt down- with him inside.

[dermotdermot]

one hit blunder?

they had four top ten hits from one album (4x platinum different class) alone.

Well I’m sorry, but I can only remember one.

[biggles]

this? this?? what the chuff is all that 'this' about???

[Squarepusher]

this? this?? what the chuff is all that 'this' about???

This.

[ten bellies]

Absolute prat. Earth Song was a great song whatever you might think of the stage production. Cocker was behaving like a self-serving tool. Jackson was putting on a show not, as Cocker suggested after his act of self-publicity, pretending to be Jesus. The only person on the stage that night that was being something he wasn't was Cocker himself. He was pretending to be important, he wasn't and isn't.
Incidentally although I liked Jackson I wasn't a massive fan but I don't like people who use other people to piggy back their own agendas.

Couldn't agree with you less.

[NottsClaret]

If you want to get away with being a paedo popster, just make sure you're really good.

Jackson has some classics in the catalogue, despite his awful later stuff, so if he wants to have young boys round for a sleepover that's cool. Jerry Lee Lewis.. well, it's cultural so fine. We're still waiting for Pete Townshend's book, but The Who were great, so fair enough.

Gary Glitter was a bit rubbish so gets exactly what he deserves.

[duncandisorderly]

If you want to get away with being a paedo popster, just make sure you're really good.

Jackson has some classics in the catalogue, despite his awful later stuff, so if he wants to have young boys round for a sleepover that's cool. Jerry Lee Lewis.. well, it's cultural so fine. We're still waiting for Pete Townshend's book, but The Who were great, so fair enough.

Gary Glitter was a bit rubbish so gets exactly what he deserves.

Ha! Jerry Lee Lewis was a paedo with his own cousin. That's pretty full on, I doubt anyone will ever...... ... beat it.