Being 7th all the time

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:35 pm

Seems odd how we remain rooted in 7th spot despite not winning for about 10 years.
Sandwiched between Arsenal and Leicester who have both scored about double the amount we have.
Despite todays utter dirge, it isnt at all doom and gloom with just ten remaining games to play.
Sean Dyche is hampered by serious injury crisis, in a way he has had to fashion another team half way through the season.
For us still to be up there is incredible.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:37 pm

Being 7th whilst playing boring hoofball Dyche style football with Ashley Barnes up front is just brilliant for the reactions in this forum.

Part of me wonders what this place would be like if we were also sliding down the league.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:38 pm

Incredible or just defying logic"..?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:38 pm

An amazing thing in itself to remain 7th in the circumstances.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:42 pm

7th is top of the real league!
Given the evenness of all the sides, every point is valuable and hard won.

We are still doing our bit.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:42 pm

Sidney1st wrote:
Part of me wonders what this place would be like if we were also sliding down the league.

Just like this.............

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ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:45 pm

To be seventh going into March is absolutely brilliant.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:51 pm

also, I really dont get the hoof ball stuff, its simply not true.
Frustratingly we do the opposite too often, try to play football when an occasional Hoof might be better.
I think we are a footballing side, just a little rough around the edges at the moment, clearly we can do it right with a full strength team, as proven in the earlier parts of the season.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:21 pm

There was a bit of hoofball today...but it happens.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:23 pm

I think it shows how sh** the teams below us are if anything, we're so bad but 7th in the league still despite no win in 11.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:27 pm

Just shows just how badly we missed the boat by not fresheing things up in January.
Could be almost guaranteed 7th or higher now, and a chance to really confirm our place as a stable premier league outfit to any potential summer incoming.

We are safe, that's all I wanted in August, but our slide down the table and the season ending with a whimper will leave a lot more questions than answers.

We are on our hands and knees slowly and painfully crawling our way to May, when we will then recharge, and hopefully learn from our mistakes.

We cannot start next season like we are ending this.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:31 pm

We ended last season pretty poorly too, but started the season like a house on fire.

Clearly a few new signings (new number 10 and striker) will help our football, along with the returning key creative players Defour and Brady (if he is fit for pre season).

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:17 am

MACCA wrote:Just shows just how badly we missed the boat by not fresheing things up in January.
Could be almost guaranteed 7th or higher now, and a chance to really confirm our place as a stable premier league outfit to any potential summer incoming.

We are safe, that's all I wanted in August, but our slide down the table and the season ending with a whimper will leave a lot more questions than answers.

We are on our hands and knees slowly and painfully crawling our way to May, when we will then recharge, and hopefully learn from our mistakes.

We cannot start next season like we are ending this.

Our slide down the table, When?We haven't moved in weeks. Tarkowski banned then injured.defour injured.brady injured.ward injured.wood injured.exclude heaton.the mistakes? I would say not giving nkoudo vokes or wells a run as attacking players could be a mistake of sorts.but were certainly sliding nowhere.in the grand scale of things 10 would be a very healthy position.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:23 am

The sheer amount of moaning and complaining on here is nauseating!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:26 am

Still 7th is the FRUSTRATING thing not the good thing.

Had we turned just 3 draws into wins (utd away, huddersfield and today) and just 3 defeats into draws (swansea, liverpool and palace) all of which were more than achievable we would be above arsenal in 6th.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:39 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Still 7th is the FRUSTRATING thing not the good thing.

Had we turned just 3 draws into wins (utd away, huddersfield and today) and just 3 defeats into draws (swansea, liverpool and palace) all of which were more than achievable we would be above arsenal in 6th.

This

Just because we haven't moved from 7th having not won in 11, isn't an achievement by us, it's the fact the rest of the pack hasn't just quite caught up yet, or not been good enough.
I support Burnley, couldn't give 2 hoots what other teams are doing or failed to have done, I want improvements in players, preformance and results at every opportunity. Every extra 1% could possibly change the outcome, so we need to grab those when and where possible.

I certainly don't want to be heading into the Watford and WBA double header on 14 without a win , the league is tightening up.

We can't keep saying still 7th, still 9th, we'd have taken that in August, still 11th, still x points above 18th, we'd have taken that in August.

We are absolutely throwing away our great start and the chance to really have kicked on this season.

I've bought all the playing out of position, injuries, tough run, but the fact is in those 12 games or whatever it Is 5 have certainly been winnable, but the truth is the approach AND performances have been worryingly poor.
Cannot keep throwing excuses out for our failings.

I like Mr Dyche, but to say we couldn't do anything that effected the outcome yesterday, and was beyond our control is absolute rubbish. We could have gone 2 nil up and cruised to victory, then no last minute mistake, dodgy decision, fine margin can deny you a win.

The fact we play for 1-0 every single week, will bite you in the arse quite a lot.
Same happened yesterday. We played defensive, percentage football hoping to pinch a goal, we did, then got caught with the sucker punch.

If Pope's worldie save doesn't happen we might have ended up with a loss.
We are getting very good at rolling out these hard luck stories week after week.

In short, I think we have had the wrong approach, personnel and tactics for quite a few of the recent games, and the results and lack of even a preformance is down to that.
I looked at the team/set up and can instantly predict the type of game we will see.

Just like at Newcastle, yesterday was a great chance to start bright, on the front foot and lift the whole club, then we served up that.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:41 am

Season ended 3 months ago. So dull.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:48 am

Burnley fans love to gloat at teams like Derby's bottle jobs, but we got to 4th and absolutely shat our kecks. Proper, proper bottle job.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:53 am

Pretty happy being bottle jobs who constantly achieve our objectives.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:58 am

Walton wrote:Burnley fans love to gloat at teams like Derby's bottle jobs, but we got to 4th and absolutely shat our kecks. Proper, proper bottle job.

Utter utter garbage. We did not "shat our kecks".

Injuries to-

Heaton
Defour
Ward
Tarkowski
Brady
Wood
Lowton

Losing over half our starting 11 happened.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:02 am

If only we could have had the chance like the rest of the teams to get in some players to freshen things up, and cover these injuries in January....

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:08 am

I'll play

Pope - stepped up to the plate, irrelivent
Lowton - agree Bardsley cost us points IMO, could have been more.
Ward - not missed IMO, Taylor done well
Tarky - 3 games his own doing, could have been a pen, red card, 3 game ban and a loss. Long done Ok, but Tarky is a solid performer,
Brady - massive miss
Wood - a big miss
Defour - will be a miss do doubt, but hast been out for all 11 of the bad run.

So in truth we've had injuries so to speak, but to suggest 7 starters have been out for all 11 games with no chance to change it or bring in replacements is rubbish. Some squad have stepped up, some haven't, then we wasted another January window

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:24 am

Some expectations baffle me. The PL has 14 clubs who's main aim is to survive however judging by some comments there are 13 clubs as Burnley are now in the elite 7.

We missed a trick in January by not spending which would have definitely seen us finish in.........7th.

Year on year it will be about getting to 38 points with the other also rans. Many teams over the past 10 - 15 seasons get enough survival points and their season tails off. Look at WBA last season, but no Burnley should be moving onto the next level and competing with Arsenal.

Survival is best hope for 14 clubs in PL which means at times it will not be pretty or the alternative is the championship. Some fans wouldn't be happy if we were top of the PL and would be searching to find fault.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:21 am

NL Claret wrote:Some expectations baffle me. The PL has 14 clubs who's main aim is to survive however judging by some comments there are 13 clubs as Burnley are now in the elite 7.

We missed a trick in January by not spending which would have definitely seen us finish in.........7th.

Year on year it will be about getting to 38 points with the other also rans. Many teams over the past 10 - 15 seasons get enough survival points and their season tails off. Look at WBA last season, but no Burnley should be moving onto the next level and competing with Arsenal.

Survival is best hope for 14 clubs in PL which means at times it will not be pretty or the alternative is the championship. Some fans wouldn't be happy if we were top of the PL and would be searching to find fault.

Did Leicester not win the Premier league a couple of season's ago then?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:23 am

Steve1956 wrote:Did Leicester not win the Premier league a couple of season's ago then?

Yes, when every side in the top six was in turmoil.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:26 am

Spijed wrote:Yes, when every side in the top six was in turmoil.

Turmoil

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:52 am

Good knowledge Steve, Leicester did win the PL in one of the greatest shocks in the history of modern day football. Since then the elite have started spending more of their huge wealth. Doubt it will happen again however some will not be happy with 7th or survival. Just not good enough. Some comments on Twitter last night just frankly embarrassing.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:59 am

Leicester won it with two strikers in red hot form, a World Class midfielder, a middling Top Six and nothing approaching the injury crisis that has blighted us since Christmas.

As for calling us Bottle Jobs? Give your head a wobble, Patrick.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:05 pm

Walton wrote:Burnley fans love to gloat at teams like Derby's bottle jobs, but we got to 4th and absolutely shat our kecks. Proper, proper bottle job.

Bet you hadn't wiped the sleep from your eyes posting that...

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:15 pm

MACCA wrote:I'll play

Pope - stepped up to the plate, irrelivent
Lowton - agree Bardsley cost us points IMO, could have been more.
Ward - not missed IMO, Taylor done well
Tarky - 3 games his own doing, could have been a pen, red card, 3 game ban and a loss. Long done Ok, but Tarky is a solid performer,
Brady - massive miss
Wood - a big miss
Defour - will be a miss do doubt, but hast been out for all 11 of the bad run.

So in truth we've had injuries so to speak, but to suggest 7 starters have been out for all 11 games with no chance to change it or bring in replacements is rubbish. Some squad have stepped up, some haven't, then we wasted another January window

And we're still 7th in the best league in the world.

Reasons to be cheerful.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:42 pm

MACCA wrote:I'll play

Pope - stepped up to the plate, irrelivent
Lowton - agree Bardsley cost us points IMO, could have been more.
Ward - not missed IMO, Taylor done well
Tarky - 3 games his own doing, could have been a pen, red card, 3 game ban and a loss. Long done Ok, but Tarky is a solid performer,
Brady - massive miss
Wood - a big miss
Defour - will be a miss do doubt, but hast been out for all 11 of the bad run.

So in truth we've had injuries so to speak, but to suggest 7 starters have been out for all 11 games with no chance to change it or bring in replacements is rubbish. Some squad have stepped up, some haven't, then we wasted another January window

I know you put IMO next to Ward MACCA, but in my opinion he was a huge loss.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:49 pm

Derby are bottling it again this season

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:58 pm

Only 6 teams with positive goal difference....not great.

edison · Post by **edison** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:03 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Still 7th is the FRUSTRATING thing not the good thing.

Had we turned just 3 draws into wins (utd away, huddersfield and today) and just 3 defeats into draws (swansea, liverpool and palace) all of which were more than achievable we would be above arsenal in 6th.

Had we won all our matches we'd be top

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:05 pm

edison wrote:Had we won all our matches we'd be top

But thats unrealistic. Maintaining leads and holding draws late on isnt.

edison · Post by **edison** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:06 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:But thats unrealistic. Maintaining leads and holding draws late on isnt.

Anything is possible

Yeovil1951 · Post by **Yeovil1951** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:08 pm

Maybe we are still in 7th place because none of the managers really want the burden of Europe. And are fighting for 8th

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:12 pm

Yeovil1951 wrote:Maybe we are still in 7th place because none of the managers really want the burden of Europe. And are fighting for 8th

Yeah of course

DefourFiveSix · Post by **DefourFiveSix** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:24 pm

The standard of the top six has increased but the standard of 'the rest' has dramatically decreased. Huddersfield/Brighton wouldn't have had a prayer of staying up in their first season if it was, say, 8 years ago but in today's league any team that comes up has a real chance of staying there. There is nothing between the bottom half of the Prem and top six of the Championship these days.
No doubt it is an achievement to be where we are going into March, if we'd got our act together and had our best players fit we really could have been as far as 10 points clear in 7th. I think most of the 'negativity' from fans, me included, is that it could have been so much better after the start we had. If you don't win in twelve games at any level then people are gonna moan. Ah well, I'll still take top half.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:01 pm

To me the top 6 (mega-rich) clubs are sucking the competion, the lifeblood you could say. out of the PL.
The other clubs just cannot compete. It's just a procession.
The only non top six club that should do much better is Everton, and even with their massive spending they are nothing like good enough yet.

BillyIngham'sShorts · Post by **BillyIngham'sShorts** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:57 pm

i know this is a discussion board for different views, and these tend to be on an ad hoc, reactive, per-match basis ( well that is the purpose of a message board of course) . I personally thought Dyche was a bit "off-reality" in post match press conference - we were poor I thought - but think its a slippery slope to start getting at Dyche and the team - he and they have enough credit in the bank for at least a couple of seasons of drudgery, at least - what he has done for this club is nothing short of phenomenal - he will make mistakes but he will carry on learning .....that Southampton team yesterday cost a lot lot more than our starting 11 - just shows how far we have come that we should have beat the despite a poorish performance. I was amongst those yesterday having a go at Hendrick for not giving the right pass or not shooting when he should have pulled the trigger, but we have to bite our tongues. It is a concern when people start to get on Dyche's back when we have just drawn a game and sit 7th in the league . When the going gets tough, it is time for the Burnley faithful to show their support for Dyche and the team. That is what should set up apart from he rest. In Dyche we trust -UTC

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:31 pm

KRBFC wrote:I think it shows how sh** the teams below us are if anything, we're so bad but 7th in the league still despite no win in 11.

Thank you for those considered words Captain Positive.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:35 pm

BillyIngham'sShorts wrote:i know this is a discussion board for different views, and these tend to be on an ad hoc, reactive, per-match basis ( well that is the purpose of a message board of course) . I personally thought Dyche was a bit "off-reality" in post match press conference - we were poor I thought - but think its a slippery slope to start getting at Dyche and the team - he and they have enough credit in the bank for at least a couple of seasons of drudgery, at least - what he has done for this club is nothing short of phenomenal - he will make mistakes but he will carry on learning .....that Southampton team yesterday cost a lot lot more than our starting 11 - just shows how far we have come that we should have beat the despite a poorish performance. I was amongst those yesterday having a go at Hendrick for not giving the right pass or not shooting when he should have pulled the trigger, but we have to bite our tongues. It is a concern when people start to get on Dyche's back when we have just drawn a game and sit 7th in the league . When the going gets tough, it is time for the Burnley faithful to show their support for Dyche and the team. That is what should set up apart from he rest. In Dyche we trust -UTC

excellent post with some very valid points

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:12 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Thank you for those considered words Captain Positive.

Isn't it time for the captain to get promoted?

General Whiner?

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:08 am

Been discussing it on TalkSport this morning how do we stay 7th with the recent form I know it's better than we dreamed of at the start but when you think of the draws that could have been wins and the Arsenal form we could be 6th, might still be.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:51 pm

I think a massive problem is the attitude of the fans as well.

At the start of the season it was us against the world, let's see if we can stop up again. Then we had our very good run and suddenly in the eyes of some of the fans we should be winning every week. People forget that we were amongst the relegation favourites at the start of the season, with an average squad at best. This hasn't changed despite the very good run. Every game we should be going into with that underdog mentality. The atmosphere has suffered from the fans' hightened expectations

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:53 pm

It would help if the football was good to watch. It isn't, and we're not winning.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:08 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It would help if the football was good to watch. It isn't, and we're not winning.

Some have forgotten our early season results at home to Huddersfield and West Ham along with the performance against Crystal palace.