Labour's LGBT Advisor Bergdorf

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:05 am

Has stated 'all white people are racist'

Helpful ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:14 am

Ringos already mentioned it on the other thread.

No, its not helpful but apologies if i'm going out on a limb here, but if you are bothered by this, then the chances of you voting Labour are very small anyway.

its the sort of thing that shouldn't be said, and she quite rightly lost her job over it. She hasn't said it in her new role (yet!)

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:19 am

I have a female black colleague who I admire greatly, fantastic work ethic and very supportive. Becoming a good friend (but very platonic of course)

She's very much into Black History month etc which I support her for.

However, she believes that black people can't be racist towards white people. She says that it's because of where the power lies.

Totally disagree (but we won't fall out over it). A bit like saying women can't be sexist, they're just empowered.....

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:33 am

I think when you look at where Caucasian's sit on the scale of things throughout history it's hardly surprising. We're basically the ruiner of good things. We've enslaved blacks, nuked the Japanese and murdered thousands of brown children in the middle east.

We're the Kings. We rule the world.

I'm not saying white people are better by the way but being white is certainly more beneficial to being any other colour. Because of that, I don't mind these soundbites that come out about how we can't be racist etc. Compared to what white people have put other races through its nothing.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:39 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:I think when you look at where Caucasian's sit on the scale of things throughout history it's hardly surprising. We're basically the ruiner of good things. We've enslaved blacks, nuked the Japanese and murdered thousands of brown children in the middle east.

We're the Kings. We rule the world.

I'm not saying white people are better by the way but being white is certainly more beneficial to being any other colour. Because of that, I don't mind these soundbites that come out about how we can't be racist etc. Compared to what white people have put other races through its nothing.

But black people were slaving and enslaved long before the white man came along, the Japanese made mass killing an art form and Saddam and his countrymen killed more of their children then Blair did.

We did rule the world, but not in our lifetimes.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:45 am

We didn't start slavery, just mankind has a short memory and sticks the blame all on the white people for it.

We didn't help the issue and thankfully we helped put a stop to it from our end, but it still goes on in various forms.

As for racism, it's a two way street in that respect.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:47 am

Forget the rest of Europe and just think about the UK and taking a simplistic almost crude view of it then if it is such an awful racist country to live in why do so many people want to live here.

I would suggest that it is because despite what some would say, on the whole, this is a much more decent liberal and tolerant country than most.

And I do not think there is a lot of point harking back to days of empire. We live in the now not in the then. That has undoubtedly shaped our views but seems to have done so in a good way. Like we were the second country to ban slavery in I think 1807.

Also ClaretAndJew slavery was part of African culture way before we stuck our noses into that Continent.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:49 am

Well exactly. They were slaves before us. We've never been anyone's slaves en mass like that.

We've never suffered like other races have on such a huge scale.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:52 am

I think the comments stem from white extremism in USA where racism has been on a scale we havnt seem in this country and where there are fundamental issues. Strange when the majority of the population are immigrants from recent history. These comments are not helpful in this country which is generally tolerant.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:56 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Well exactly. They were slaves before us. We've never been anyone's slaves en mass like that.

We've never suffered like other races have on such a huge scale.

No Caucasians haven't, but Caucasians made a real effort to stop it happening... (eventually)

Like I said, it was going on in Africa & the middle east long before we got there, it's just not talked about because it doesn't suit agendas.
What Caucasians did was wrong, so I'm not trying to justify it.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:05 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
I'm not saying white people are better by the way but being white is certainly more beneficial to being any other colour.

Unless you’re a rapper. Or a sprinter.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:22 am

BurnleyFC wrote:Unless you’re a rapper. Or a sprinter.

Or a basketball player because remember White Men Can't Jump.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:27 am

Fair amount of suffering of " caucasians " in 2 world wars I would suggest

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:37 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Well exactly. They were slaves before us. We've never been anyone's slaves en mass like that.

We've never suffered like other races have on such a huge scale.

We “as in Britons” actually were, one of the Vikings greatest source of income was the slave trade and they used the captured Britons. In fact slavery was a great source of trade around Europe at the time.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:43 am

White Yugoslavs were killing white Yugoslavs, white Germans were killing white German Jews and long before this black tribes in Africa were killing other black tribes and American Indians were killing American Indians of other tribes. This was because beliefs, religion and sect. All racism. Equally I have heard of many cases where half casts been ostracised by blacks in this country which surprises me. So I think it is fair that mankind can be racist not just whites. This is also a different topic to immigration before the flip flop brigade get all tetchy.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:06 am

I personally find liberal white apologists far more offensive ( as do many blacks and Asians ) than black people reclaiming their heritage and history . Ultimately ( for better or worse) history has been largy dominated by non blacks which tends to highlight all the nastiness as opposed to a sensible relative argument about generations ,religious and tribal practice and what was deemed the norm at the time .

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:13 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Well exactly. They were slaves before us. We've never been anyone's slaves en mass like that.

We've never suffered like other races have on such a huge scale.

I don't know about you, but I'm white and I've never enslaved anyone. Never killed any brown kids either.
I have however been excluded from certain things because of the colour of my skin

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:14 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
No, its not helpful but apologies if i'm going out on a limb here, but if you are bothered by this, then the chances of you voting Labour are very small anyway.

its the sort of thing that shouldn't be said, and she quite rightly lost her job over it. She hasn't said it in her new role (yet!)

Do you think the vast majority of Labour voters will be happy with this type of comment then Lancs? Probably in London...but possibly not in Barnsley

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:15 am

Damo wrote:I don't know about you, but I'm white and I've never enslaved anyone. Never killed any brown kids either.
I have however been excluded from certain things because of the colour of my skin

What like?

What have you, personally, been excluded from because of the colour of your skin?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:18 am

I've no idea Guich

But like I've said, the sort of people bothered by this are already bothered by Diane Abbot et al so it doesn't really matter.

The people in Barnsley need a party that will regenerate the area and revitalise the economy. if they want to vote for a party on the basis of a comment from the LGBT advisor then they need to look at the other parties plans for the their area, county and country.

Pretty simple really

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:24 am

Can't wait for the reply to UTB's question....

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:30 am

Damo wrote:I don't know about you, but I'm white and I've never enslaved anyone. Never killed any brown kids either.
I have however been excluded from certain things because of the colour of my skin

that MOBO still eluding you eh?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:44 am

Guich wrote:Do you think the vast majority of Labour voters will be happy with this type of comment then Lancs? Probably in London...but possibly not in Barnsley

To be fair, you could put a transgender chimp spouting pro IRA slogans and waving an ISIS flag up as the Labour candidate in Barnsley and they're still getting in. The People's Republic of South Yorkshire won't be forgiving or forgetting the Tories anytime soon, regardless of guff like this.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:46 am

NottsClaret wrote:To be fair, you could put a transgender chimp spouting pro IRA slogans and waving an ISIS flag up as the Labour candidate in Barnsley and they're still getting in. The People's Republic of South Yorkshire won't be forgiving or forgetting the Tories anytime soon, regardless of guff like this.

The same was said of Mansfield:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansfield_(UK_Parliament_constituency" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:47 am

NottsClaret wrote:To be fair, you could put a transgender chimp spouting pro IRA slogans and waving an ISIS flag up as the Labour candidate in Barnsley and they're still getting in. The People's Republic of South Yorkshire won't be forgiving or forgetting the Tories anytime soon, regardless of guff like this.

In much the same way you could put a racist blond-mopped posh buffoon spouting utter ******** and waving union flags while suspended from a zipwire up as the Tory candidate in Uxbridge and they're still getting in.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:52 am

Regarding Uxbridge, I'm fairly confident that any London borough could get a Lab MP in these brexit days to be honest.

Burnley had a Lib Dem MP so anything is possible.

But I'd hope that if the people of Barnsley would look at what the parties where going to do for thier area before voting. If thats the Conservatives, then fine, if its Lab, fine, if its Lib Dem/Green/whoever fine.

But don't vote on the views of an LBGT activist. That would be mental

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:30 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:What like?

What have you, personally, been excluded from because of the colour of your skin?

The Olympic 100 meter final for starters

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:32 am

Damo wrote:The Olympic 100 meter final for starters

Ok, so it hasn't affected you at all has it really.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:32 am

Damo wrote:The Olympic 100 meter final for starters

That's just because you're not the quickest.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:36 am

I've got a whole new mental image of Damo after this thread.

Think the vangelis theme to the race in chariots of fire, but slowed down even more (a hell of a lot more)

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:37 am

Being considered for this job
http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/19/bbc-criti ... e-7243601/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:40 am

Damo wrote:Being considered for this job
http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/19/bbc-criti ... e-7243601/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That was discussed in depth in this thread, and it was nothing to do with the BBC:

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... ss#p570469

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:47 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:That was discussed in depth in this thread, and it was nothing to do with the BBC:

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... ss#p570469

Does it only count if it's the bbc's fault now?

Being the victim of racism. I'm excluded from that apparently

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:54 am

Well worth the wait.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:57 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:Well worth the wait.

I'm at work sorry. We don't get snow days

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:11 pm

The only racially motivated statements made to me about the colour of my skin are that I am privileged. I don't feel like I am, but without being able to change my skin colour, I can't test the theory.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:19 pm

Damo wrote:I'm at work sorry. We don't get snow days

I'm on a day off from my retired "work" helping a mate's building firm so, no, your odd reference to a snow day - whatever relevance that has to you having been barred from something for the clour of your skin - doesn't make any sense.

You're at work and still get time to come on here ? Cushty !

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:33 pm

Damo wrote:I'm at work sorry. We don't get snow days

Have you been excluded from those because of the colour of your skin as well?

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:42 pm

What a snowflake !

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:45 pm

What the FFF is an LGBT advisor?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:What the FFF is an LGBT advisor?

Another box ticked

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:00 pm

Chobulous wrote:Another box ticked

Well?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:01 pm

The very fact that we have LGBT is an insult if they only stopped and thought about it." Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender - let's lump them altogether in the same group, they're all the same after all"
Not different people with their own qualities, problems, issues, hopes, fears.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:06 pm

Chobulous wrote:The very fact that we have LGBT is an insult if they only stopped and thought about it." Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender - let's lump them altogether in the same group, they're all the same after all"
Not different people with their own qualities, problems, issues, hopes, fears.

It's actually LGBTTQQIAAP or QUILTBAG, but then it's just getting silly to say the full name everytime when saying LGBT is recognised by everyone.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:09 pm

Just checking

Have a bunch of white straight guys just told everyone what LGBT means, what they need and what they don't need?

Yep

Carry on!

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:09 pm

Foshiznik wrote:It's actually LGBTTQQIAAP or QUILTBAG, but then it's just getting silly to say the full name everytime when saying LGBT is recognised by everyone.

Call it what you want, my point still stands

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:17 pm

So is this advisor an LGBT (whatever)? or just someone with the technical expertise to advise on the subject?
And why do we, our liberal society, need this advice?
And what has LGBT got to do with race?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:20 pm

boatshed bill wrote:So is this advisor an LGBT (whatever)? or just someone with the technical expertise to advise on the subject?
And why do we, our liberal society, need this advice?
And what has LGBT got to do with race?

Answers to this one are going to be ace.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:22 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Answers to this one are going to be ace.

I hope so, Sidney, it's cold outside!

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:22 pm

First question is: Where does racism come from and why?

Why filthy Arabs? Why dirty Jews? Why Paki ****? Why ****-skin coolie? Why yellow bellie? Why nigger?

What was the initial reasons for racism in the firs place?

What is that anthropology about and where did it originate and what was it based on?

If 'racism' is a phenomenon then what is that phenomenon and how did it come about, what is it's full history? What was it about these people that the insult appeared in first place?

By the way, LGBGT is a bastardization of MGBGT, it's a cultural subversion.