How many points will we need for 7th?

[Spijed]

With 9 games remaining we can certainly win another 4 at the very least and with 2-3 draws that would put us on 54-55 points.

That would mean Leicester having to win 6 out of their last 9 matches.

[FactualFrank]

Last season, 47 points would have finished 7th, as Southampton ended up with 46 in 8th. But I don't think it will be that low this time.

52-53?

[!aiboforceN]

Looking at the remaining games, 50+ points is realistic.
Still entirely possible that the top 6 could be the only sides with a positive GD too.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

52 - 55 I think.

4 or 5 wins out of 9.

Tough ask.

[nil_desperandum]

The way things are going for them - and if they should lose tomorrow -we should be targeting the Arsenal.
Our last away game could be their manager's last, and could be a "six-pointer"

[Down_Rover]

It will be hard to accumulate a stack of points. We are one of the few in this league who have nothing to play for. All our opponents now need the points more than us

Another 2/3 wins should secure seventh provided we don’t lose to Watford Leicester and Bournemouth

[nil_desperandum]

It will be hard to accumulate a stack of points. We are one of the few in this league who have nothing to play for.

Did you just write that?
A chance of a Europa league place and you believe that?

[Man of Kent]

Did you just write that?
A chance of a Europa league place and you believe that?

If one of the top six clubs win the FA Cup and we finish where we are today, that will see us into Europe. That's well worth playing for isn't it?

[IanMcL]

Need to beat Arsenal then, after they lose their match this weekend, we just need to match Arsenal plus one more win and we've cracked it.

[tim_noone]

Need to beat Arsenal then, after they lose their match this weekend, we just need to match Arsenal plus one more win and we've cracked it.

That's the one...a lot of winnable games now,as an evolving team the flair was evident today.

[FactualFrank]

If we finish 7th, that would be one hell of an achievement.

[tiger76]

Our next three games are away(West Ham,West Brom and Watford) certainly possible to collect points from those fixtures then If we beat Leicester at the turf the gap could be 6-7 points to the chasing pack,obviously depends how they fare in their games today's victory makes it likely we'll finish in the top ten minimum.Anything else is a bonus.

[IanMcL]

6 is a bonus, as Arse has more points at present. 7th is satisfactory as we are already there, after a 'bad' run.

[Dyched]

The way things are going for them - and if they should lose tomorrow -we should be targeting the Arsenal.
Our last away game could be their manager's last, and could be a "six-pointer"

I havent paid much attention to those above us as we havent been winning lately. But was astounded we havent won in so long but were (8) now (5) points behind Arsenal.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I think the side in 7th will get 52 points.

We have an incredibly hard 4 games, before the crunch game. Let’s see if we are there or thereabouts after those. Obviously Leicester is a must win.

I still think Dyche will want to throw it, but this race would get me more excited than any in the last couple of years. Just the qualifying round would be fun to say we have seen us in Europe, get through the play off game too and it is likely to have at least one whopper in the group stages, somebody like Leipzig, Sevilla, Lyon, Inter (knowing our luck though it’d be Moscow).

Southampton and West Ham both finished mid table last year after being in it, so it isn’t always the kiss of death.

[jurek]

Agree with Crosspoolclaret that 52 points will suffice for 7th
but far from certain we will benefit much from being in the Europa League
if we do manage to finish 7th and qualify.

It could mean an extra 6 or more games in a competition that we'd probably struggle to do well in.
Not sure either whether the fans would bother turning up in numbers to watch it.

More importantly is the extra TV revenue from prize money coming in.
I think it's £137m in total if you finish 7th.
Much prefer a decent FA Cup run.

[martin_p]

Not sure either whether the fans would bother turning up in numbers to watch it.

First time in Europe in over 50 years! I think they would.

[Down_Rover]

Did you just write that?
A chance of a Europa league place and you believe that?

Yes I did

I don’t have that much enthusiasm to qualify for Europa League.

It would be fun but it could cost us dear, I would not swap PL stability for a day in the sun.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

51

[3putt]

I for one think that qualifying for Europa League would be both an incredible achievement and incredibly exciting.

[ClaretTony]

I'd think we'll need either more points than the team who finish 8th or the same number of points with a better goal difference.

[Rick_Muller]

Last season, 47 points would have finished 7th, as Southampton ended up with 46 in 8th. But I don't think it will be that low this time.

52-53?

Sorry Frank, but that’s not factual. Had another team finished with 47 points they would have taken 8th place from Southampton, not 7th from Everton, who had 61 points - ergo 62 would have been needed for 7th (or 61 and a better goal difference)

[nil_desperandum]

Yes I did

I don’t have that much enthusiasm to qualify for Europa League.

It would be fun but it could cost us dear, I would not swap PL stability for a day in the sun.

There is an argument to support that, (with which I have some sympathy tbh), but you said that the players would have nothing to play for, and I think we can be certain that Dyche and the players won't see it that way.
They will be targeting Europa League, a chance to play in Europe and a bigger end of season bonus.

[Vino blanco]

If my memory serves me right, we finished 7th in the 58/59 season and the following season we went on to win the first division as champions. Will history repeat itself?

[claretcarrot93]

With 9 games remaining we can certainly win another 4 at the very least and with 2-3 draws that would put us on 54-55 points.

That would mean Leicester having to win 6 out of their last 9 matches.

No reason why we can’t finish 7th I actually believe that we are the 7th best team in this league now our players are coming back. Nothing to fear outside the top six

[piston broke]

If my memory serves me right, we finished 7th in the 58/59 season and the following season we went on to win the first division as champions. Will history repeat itself?

Coincidentally the year before we won the title in 72-73 we finished 7th
The year before we won the title in 91-92 we were 6th
When we went up at Wembley in 93-94 we were 6th.

I'll take either.

[Spike]

If win at the Emirates Library we can finish 6th!

[levraiclaret]

Yes I did

I don’t have that much enthusiasm to qualify for Europa League.

It would be fun but it could cost us dear, I would not swap PL stability for a day in the sun.

In the end it should be about glory and winning things, I know that staying in the PL is most important, but I believe that our squad will be even stronger next season and it has held up very well this season with our injury problems. Why not add a little European adventure, we haven't had that for 50 years.
COYC

[Vegas Claret]

our squad isn't big enough as it is, the last thing we need is a European campaign. It's been the undoing of Swansea, they were really good until they got into Europe, since that season they have struggled. I genuinely don't see the excitement of playing some team from Lithuania in a pre qualifying game in July - really screws the pre season too

[Down_Rover]

There is an argument to support that, (with which I have some sympathy tbh), but you said that the players would have nothing to play for, and I think we can be certain that Dyche and the players won't see it that way.
They will be targeting Europa League, a chance to play in Europe and a bigger end of season bonus.

Who knows?

The club may also value PL security above all else

A Europa League campaign will require a bigger squad than we currently have

[Spijed]

Who knows?

The club may also value PL security above all else

A Europa League campaign will require a bigger squad than we currently have

Mike G "You do realise we'll have to spend a small fortune if we want to compete in the Europa league".

Sean D "How do you want to play this?".

Mike G "Just keep playing Hendrick as a number 10 and that should ensure the season ends in a bit of an anti-climax!".

Sean D "Righto"

[ŽižkovClaret]

*6th

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

I think if you were to ask any footballer if they fancied playing in Europe they'd say yes. So for this point it would be beneficial in our ability to attract better quality players in the summer.
Over the last 10 seasons it's varied from between 53 to 64 points (mean - 59.2) so 60 points.
I think it could well be the lowest points total needed over the last ten years.
So in answer to the question 52 points.

[pureclaret]

65 pts guarantees 7th as a minimum

[LoveCurryPies]

BURNLEY - remaining games:
West Ham (a)
Chelsea (h)
West Brom (a)
Watford (a)
Leicester (h)
Stoke (a)
Brighton (h)
Arsenal (a)
Bournemouth (h)

ARSENAL - remaining games:
Leicester (a)
Watford (h)
Stoke (h)
Southampton (h)
Newcastle (a)
West Ham (h)
Manchester Utd (a)
Burnley (h)
Huddersfield (a)

So, how many points will we and Arsenal get?

[Vegas Claret]

"How many points will we need for 7th?"

Less than Leicester and Everton

[nil_desperandum]

ARSENAL - remaining games:
Leicester (a)
Watford (h)
Stoke (h)
Southampton (h)
Newcastle (a)
West Ham (h)
Manchester Utd (a)
Burnley (h)
Huddersfield (a)

So, how many points will we and Arsenal get?

Under normal circumstances, you'd expect Arsenal to win more than enough of those to finish 6th - esp as they have a 5 point start on us, but the way things are at present you can see them slipping up in quite few of those - indeed they might lose all the away games.
One thing: we would have to beat them at the Emirates to have any chance of catching them, and this will almost certainly be Wenger's last home game as manager. If we are in touching distance of them at that point it could be quite an occasion.

[FactualFrank]

Sorry Frank, but that’s not factual. Had another team finished with 47 points they would have taken 8th place from Southampton, not 7th from Everton, who had 61 points - ergo 62 would have been needed for 7th (or 61 and a better goal difference)

No lol... you replace Everton as us to illustrate where we could have finished.

[Cajun]

Comparing run-in fixtures with Arsenal for a European place rather than with potential relegation rivals for a big-drop place --- good times, love it