England v Italy

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:55 pm

If they bring VAR in, itll only be a matter of time before they start sticking
an advert on while they deliberate. I kid you not.

Its a load o sh!te. Get shut.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:55 pm

Yup, correct decision but Tarks wasn’t culpable, he was unfortunate that’s all

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:56 pm

Tarkowski doesn't make a tackle. His foot lands on the Italian strikers foot. It's mot his fault he moved his foot unnaturally away from the ball (of which he had lost control)

Not a pen and mot something Var should have it's nose in.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:56 pm

I wonder if the Burnley knuckle draggers are gonna sing “you let your country down” to Tarks?

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:56 pm

Heading towards a no contact sport. Pathetic.

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:57 pm

Gutted for Tarkowski, played really well.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:58 pm

I think he was already going down when Tarks stood on his foot. His foot changes direction Tarks didn't. Harsh.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:00 pm

No pen for me, ball had gone, goes down like a drunken lass after 10pints.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:00 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Heading towards a no contact sport. Pathetic.

And the players only have themselves to blame for this.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:00 pm

Dyched wrote:I wonder if the Burnley knuckle draggers are gonna sing “you let your country down” to Tarks?

Wouldn’t have thought so. There will be a few reasons why not, and if you don’t know what they are, I think it would be a waste of time posting them here.

harpers_perm · Post by **harpers_perm** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:01 pm

Obviously unintentional but he’s impeding the player in the box by standing on his foot. If it was the other way round we’d all be claiming penalty.

Just unfortunate.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:02 pm

If butland had caught the ball and passed it out to walker would VAR have had chance to get involved?

That's what makes it unfair

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:03 pm

Not a Pen, no intent

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:03 pm

bobinho wrote:Wouldn’t have thought so. There will be a few reasons why not, and if you don’t know what they are, I think it would be a waste of time posting them here.

Ooh I know. But do they know?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:05 pm

Pope would've saved it.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:06 pm

bfcjg wrote:I think he was already going down when Tarks stood on his foot. His foot changes direction Tarks didn't. Harsh.

This - talked about dark arts earlier - the ball was already going away from him and he used is "gamesmanship" to take a chance - a much smarter effort than the dive from Ox in the first half

You also have to ask why the left side centre back of a 3 has to come that far over because the other two are AWOL

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:07 pm

Dyched wrote:I wonder if the Burnley knuckle draggers are gonna sing “you let your country down” to Tarks?

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:08 pm

I think (and hope) that VAR will be an absolute disaster in the world cup so it gets scrapped for good. It will kill football for me. I hate it with a passion. Enough to make me stop watching.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:09 pm

If he had a chance to get the ball, yes penalty but the ball had gone

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:09 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:And the players only have themselves to blame for this.

Fair point, roll around like you've stood on a land mine for several minutes and at some point the ref will spot that you were tickled a week last Thursday.

harpers_perm · Post by **harpers_perm** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:11 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:Not a Pen, no intent

Eh? Really.

I’m sure most challenges that result in penalties are made with no intent but if you trip somebody up or impede somebody because you’ve mistimed your challenge it’s a penalty obviously.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:12 pm

claretburns wrote:If that was a West Brom player against Burnley this weekend we'd all be screaming penalty, so can't complain.

I wouldn’t.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:13 pm

welsbyswife wrote:I think (and hope) that VAR will be an absolute disaster in the world cup so it gets scrapped for good. It will kill football for me. I hate it with a passion. Enough to make me stop watching.

And I hope that Burnley get relegated so that we can be top of the table again.

Yes, what you said is that kind of stupid.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:14 pm

No pen in real time. Pen in slow motion. Not deliberate. Tarks settled in very well.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:15 pm

How camp does Bilic sound?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:17 pm

There were 11 corners in the game, if the ref had referred all them to VAR they’d have been 11 more penalties in the match!

So the entire system is open to an individuals interpratation on whether he uses it or not. Isn’t that what they are trying to eradicate an individuals interpretation ??? ******* ridiculous system !!

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And I hope that Burnley get relegated so that we can be top of the table again.

Yes, what you said is that kind of stupid.

Bizarre, even from you. Two points that are completely unrelated.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:18 pm

I’m sorry it’s just not a pen. Tarky wasn’t attempting to foul, tackle or even block. It was an accident and it shouldn’t be possible to accidentally give a penalty away. In the same way refs use common sense and don’t give penalties for handball where it’s clearly accidental as the ball has been blasted at the arm from short range, they shouldn’t be giving penalties for accidentally standing on someone’s foot (especially when that foot is only where it is because the player is busy falling over).

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:23 pm

VAR is clearly going to make one big problem even bigger - going down under any contat.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:23 pm

Not sure Tarkowski could have chose to put his foot anywhere else and the striker was on his way down, so no pen for me.

Italy probably deserved the draw though, just a shame it was Tarkowski who was penalised when he had a fair game on his debut.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:23 pm

Oh. And it will never. Ever. Prove anhthing conclusively. Its impossible to.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:24 pm

VAR is like Brexit

Sounds like its going to solve everything, when in reality it just makes things worse.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:25 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:VAR is clearly going to make one big problem even bigger - going down under any contat.

This is my worry. If any contact is a penalty then it’ll make the likes of Ali even worse, and VAR will back him up!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:27 pm

Ali is a babe in arms compared to the strikers of pretty much any other team.

World record number of penalties going to be given.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:27 pm

welsbyswife wrote:Bizarre, even from you. Two points that are completely unrelated.

My point is - why would you want it to fail? Why wouldn't you want it to be a success?

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:28 pm

If you watch his body in the slow-mo replay he's going down already. If Tarks doesn't stand on his foot you can see he's already going down, not on 2 feet ready to carry on. **** decision.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:28 pm

martin_p wrote:This is my worry. If any contact is a penalty then it’ll make the likes of Ali even worse, and VAR will back him up!

It’s also my worry too - but in the sense that the people judging it won’t understand the laws of physics and Newton’s 3rd law, and then understand who initiates contact. Often Alli will kick out a leg to make contact happen - as with Kev Long against us.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:28 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:My point is - why would you want it to fail? Why wouldn't you want it to be a success?

Because it ruins the game. Footballs about excitement. Excitement includes wrong decisions. From strikers. Goalkeepers... and refs!

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:29 pm

I was quite keen on the idea of VAR but if that’s how it’s going to be used it will just make matters worse. It certainly hasn’t removed the element of controversy.

the only reason Tarks stands on his foot is that the Italian lad was already on his way down and had therefore stopped running.

If penalties are just going to be awarded for any sort of contact, it will only encourage diving, not eradicate it.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:32 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
If penalties are just going to be awarded for any sort of contact, it will only encourage diving, not eradicate it.

An extremely good point.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:32 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Because it ruins the game. Footballs about excitement. Excitement includes wrong decisions. From strikers. Goalkeepers... and refs!

A lot of people would agree with that - it seems loads of people aren't keen on it at all.

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:My point is - why would you want it to fail? Why wouldn't you want it to be a success?

Completely kills the spontaneity of the game. No-one in the stadium knows what's going on. And the trend will be that refs give penalties because "there was contact" and that will become the norm. Call me old fashioned but let the ref make the decision and accept it. Seems people are searching for perfection and VAR will not bring it.

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:34 pm

I don’t get the idea of VAR at all. They are trying to make football it into an exact science which is impossible. It’s a sport and tonight’s farce shows exactly why it’s such an unpopular idea.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ali is a babe in arms compared to the strikers of pretty much any other team.

World record number of penalties going to be given.

I’m going for an average of 1.5 per game in the World Cup. It’ll be a disaster.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:38 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Because it ruins the game. Footballs about excitement. Excitement includes wrong decisions. From strikers. Goalkeepers... and refs!

From day one i've thought the "wrong decisions are exciting, therefore good" argument to be among the dumbest arguments possible. It was peddled by those who opposed goal-line tech and that's turned put to be a perfectly good addition.

I don't want pundits to be talking about poor refereeing decisions, or missed offside calls. That's boring as **** to me. I want them to be talking about the tactics and strategies each teams used to defeat the other, and how they either failed or succeeded. Why the **** is watching replays of an offside call, and the linesman's view of it, after the match more interesting than the actual match?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:38 pm

It’s not fit for the purpose because it’s up to the independent arbitrator (the ref) to decide whether they use it or not ie they have to make decision. No matter how you dress it up somebody still has to make a ******* decision so it changes the square root of **** all !

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:39 pm

BFCmaj wrote:I don’t get the idea of VAR at all. They are trying to make football it into an exact science which is impossible. It’s a sport and tonight’s farce shows exactly why it’s such an unpopular idea.

Works in cricket because they are clear yes/no decisions (did he touch the ball, did it carry, was the ball going to hit the wicket, etc). Works in tennis because it’s a clear yes/no decision (was the ball out). Will never work in football because a lot of it is down to opinion (apart from the already implemented goal line technology, which is a clear yes/no decision).

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:41 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:From day one i've thought the "wrong decisions are exciting, therefore good" argument to be among the dumbest arguments possible. It was peddled by those who opposed goal-line tech and that's turned put to be a perfectly good addition.

I don't want pundits to be talking about poor refereeing decisions, or missed offside calls. That's boring as **** to me. I want them to be talking about the tactics and strategies each teams used to defeat the other, and how they either failed or succeeded. Why the **** is watching replays of an offside call, and the linesman's view of it, after the match more interesting than the actual match?

They’ll still be arguing whether it’s a penalty or not though.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:41 pm

I'm with the Turtle on this.

It's just being used wrongly at the moment.

That German Ref didn't seem to even study the footage.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:From day one i've thought the "wrong decisions are exciting, therefore good" argument to be among the dumbest arguments possible. It was peddled by those who opposed goal-line tech and that's turned put to be a perfectly good addition.

I don't want pundits to be talking about poor refereeing decisions, or missed offside calls. That's boring as **** to me. I want them to be talking about the tactics and strategies each teams used to defeat the other, and how they either failed or succeeded. Why the **** is watching replays of an offside call, and the linesman's view of it, after the match more interesting than the actual match?

Goal line technology is a perfectly good addition, yes, because it's foolproof. VAR isn't and some totally valid points about people's concerns with it.