Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

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Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by claretnproud » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:13 pm

any best guesses of what it could be worth to us if we manage it ?

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by BigF » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:18 pm

It might cost us more than we gain. Good money from Premier League for a 7th place finish but would this cover the extra games if we got in the Europa League? (travel, accommodation etc). Also would it affect our league progress next season with the extra games and travel possibly making players tired and Thursday night and Sunday games perhaps bothering some supporters and upsetting team rythym.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by rufus lumley » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:18 pm

You need to ask Hank Potts he knows everything you need to know about financial matters !

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Chester Perry » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:20 pm

Have to get through the qualifying to the group stage before we make any money - though qualifying matches are sold to tv on a game by game basis I think - I cannot see us as being a significant attraction to tv companies to fork out that much.

The costs are significant though - match day bonus, travel etc, really early start to competitive fixtures in pre-season, and attendances will be scrutinised by many

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Clarets4me » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:56 pm

The one plus side that no-one has mentioned is that the chance of " European Football ", may be an attraction to potential signings when we're looking to improve the squad during the Summer .....
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Zom Zom » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:08 pm

It's a double edged sword, but if we were to reach the later stages and be comfortable in the Premier League, it would be considered a success.

I'm not sure I want it, but if we get it, I want to progress as far as is possible. And let's not forget, compared to the Championship, we have 8 games less. It's extra work, but not impossible.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:14 pm

Look at the teams such as Swansea and Southampton that recently played in the Europa league, it might not be a popular opinion but I'll be happy with 8th until we build a strong enough squad to cope with such adventures

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by ClaretAL » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:17 pm

i would take sustainability over adaptability any day of the week.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Sidney1st » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:25 pm

Swansea and Saints have poor business models, we have Dyche.

Financially we may not be better off in the immediate short term, however as its already been mentioned we can attract a better standard of player plus it may help get our name out further than it is already.

Plus you get to see European football at TM, who doesn't want that?
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by No Ney Never » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:41 pm

An increase in the value of our sponsorship deals.
Further opportunities to derive match day income.
European experience could add to player valuation.
We get more from the playing squad for the weekly wages we pay.

Supporters wishing to attend every game will need to expend quite a bit more.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:44 pm

Never mind how much the Club may, or may not make.

It's going to cost Accy Clarets a fortune to refit!
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by IanMcL » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:58 am

A sign of our growth on the world stage. TNS and then Shamrock drivers will do nicely. Valletta or their ilk too. Easy passage and travel with a bit of sun.

Up the Claretos!



Ps....none of those nasty foreign clubs with Ultras!

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by WestMidsClaret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:10 am

We may never be in this position again so with a chance to qualify for Europe and some of us never seeing Burnley play in a European competition before I'm more then happy for this to happen :)
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Inchy » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:12 am

If we qualify for Europe it could bring a whole host of problems. We would probably have to increase our squad size which has greater implications than just financial. Players sat on the bench are not always easy to manage one would imagine, however Dyche seems to have this down to a tee.

All these problems are irrelevant though. I would love is to make Europe even at the expense of the premier league form (although not prem league status). Also we could just stick the dev squad in the domestic cup games. Probably wouldn’t need to increase the squad by much then

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Spijed » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:49 am

BigF wrote:It might cost us more than we gain. Good money from Premier League for a 7th place finish but would this cover the extra games if we got in the Europa League? (travel, accommodation etc). Also would it affect our league progress next season with the extra games and travel possibly making players tired and Thursday night and Sunday games perhaps bothering some supporters and upsetting team rythym.
And what is the point of supporting BFC?
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by HatfieldClaret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:53 am

I just look forward to the day when all those mercenary prima donnas come knocking, looking to sign for us for glory.

And Sean just says, "No ta."

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Grumps » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:53 am

Finish 7th,Southampton win fa Cup, best outcome all round

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by walter the softy » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:41 am

I can not believe people are not more enthusiastic about playing in Europe. It may be that the Europa League has been devalued over the years in the same way as the FA Cup has been but still as it stands there could be fixtures against clubs like Lazio, Inter Milan, Eintracht Frankfurt, Seville, Valencia. It would be nights like that that will stay in the memory a lot longer than a trip to Bournemouth or whatever.
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Post by Indecisive » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:52 am

Grumps wrote:Finish 7th,Southampton win fa Cup, best outcome all round
You can't be a Burnley fan, surely?

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Post by Indecisive » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:54 am

25 years of being fan and I never expected us to be in the position where we could be qualifying for Europe.

Really, really want this to happen now. I genuinely can't comprehend that any Burnley fan wouldn't!
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Post by nyclaret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:55 am

walter the softy wrote:I can not believe people are not more enthusiastic about playing in Europe. It may be that the Europa League has been devalued over the years in the same way as the FA Cup has been but still as it stands there could be fixtures against clubs like Lazio, Inter Milan, Eintracht Frankfurt, Seville, Valencia. It would be nights like that that will stay in the memory a lot longer than a trip to Bournemouth or whatever.
I totally agree. I can't get my head around the fact that some people don't want us to qualify for Europe! EUROPE! How many of you honestly thought you'd get the chance to see the Clarets play away in Europe during your lifetime? Imagine being able to travel to the SAN SIRO cheering on the lads on a European night! It's what dreams are made of! If you'd rather us not qualify for Europe, what is the point of it all?
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by jurek » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:02 am

If progress means a place in the Europa League then
let's enjoy it and give a good go. Otherwise what's the point?

Obviously it brings different and more difficult challenges as already mentioned
(travel, thursday - sunday games for a period) but it also provides us with some opportunities
- bringing on younger players, broader experience for current players and extra revenue.

Far from certain however that Dyche wants it at this stage although
he'd take it on if it happens and I'm sure he'll go out in remaining games
to do our best.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Grumps » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:12 am

Indecisive wrote:You can't be a Burnley fan, surely?
Our aim is to become an established premier league club, anything which has the likely hood to get in the way of that aim should be avoided.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Sidney1st » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:23 am

Grumps wrote:Our aim is to become an established premier league club, anything which has the likely hood to get in the way of that aim should be avoided.
A European trip would help attract better players, promote the brand and further our efforts to stay in the PL.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Man of Kent » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:25 am

It'll all be part of this big adventure. Enjoy it while it lasts. This might not last forever so we should embrace it and enjoy the novelty!
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Dyched » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:30 am

We need to grab the opportunity with both hands. Last season we let go a massive chance to get to the later stages of the FA cup. We might never get a better chance of europe again. You cant pick when you want to succeed in football.

The qualifiers are early. But they’re to poor standard of teams that we can treat as pre season.

Europa doesn’t mean Relegation.


Also what is an established PL club? What does it means?

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Post by Dyched » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:35 am

Indecisive wrote:25 years of being fan and I never expected us to be in the position where we could be qualifying for Europe.

Really, really want this to happen now. I genuinely can't comprehend that any Burnley fan wouldn't!
Absolutely spot on. We wont be in the PL for ever. We probably wont be in 5 years. So lets enjoy and grab opportunities.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by taio » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:36 am

Bring it on. Hope it happens.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by 3putt » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:58 am

Grumps wrote:Finish 7th,Southampton win fa Cup, best outcome all round
Grumps by name, Grumps by .....................

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by 3putt » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:01 am

What an unbelievably fantastic achievement for the club and experience for the fans.

Really, really hope this happens.
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Jeffbfc » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:15 am

Don't bother with away games these days so cant say if it would be any interest to go to some old eastern block country.
But a European qualification would show just how far the club as come.
Like some on here seen the bad and the good, surely got to embrace the good.
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Post by 3putt » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:20 am

Foxy_Tom99 wrote:Not gonna happen
Really?

Depressed now. :roll:

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by simonclaret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:22 am

Dyched wrote:Also what is an established PL club? What does it means?
Top 6 are established. Every other team, including Everton, Leicester, etc., has a primary objective of staying up and then do the best they can.

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Post by NEILTHO61 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:17 am

The prise money for the first few rounds is around £20,000
And just imagine a two leg tie against Merthyr Tydfil or Wrexham (do they have an airport at Wrexham?)
So let's not get too carried away

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Post by Spike » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:48 am

Playing Trelliborg would be magical

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:52 am

Have to agree with BigF - the higher up the Premier League we finish, the more merit money we make. I think it is about £2 million per place and we are all but guaranteed a top nine finish, so finishing seventh would be worth a further £4 million.

However, clubs make losses on the Europa League. There's no money to be had in it generally and it will cost. We'd also need a bigger squad to deal with it bringing further expenditure.

So, financially at least, we would actually be better off finishing 8th.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:04 pm

We might never qualify for it again.

We might never be this high up ever again.

We can't win it if we are not in it. And it might be fanciful that we might win it, but I have to be honest now, I'd be gutted if we didn't qualify for it now because we so deserve it.
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Post by hampsteadclaret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:17 pm

- and we might win it Lancaster, and then we'd qualify for the Champions League the following season..

Imagine being in a group with Benfica, AC Milan and Ajax - that'd be fun and we'd make a few £££££s.

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Post by Sidney1st » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:31 pm

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Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:33 pm

BigF wrote:Would it affect our league progress next season with the extra games and travel possibly making players tired and Thursday night and Sunday games perhaps bothering some supporters and upsetting team rhythym.
Good point BigF but, do you think Sean Dyche would let that happen?

I'd rather put the Reserves out and concentrate on the League.

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Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm

The Premier league is the be all and end all to me. I personally won't get much pleasure in seeing a European side from a third rate football country down on the turf, if it will in anyway effect our Premier league status.
I can't see the attraction of playing teams from Ireland, Malta or Eastern Europe who are little known, its like England playing Costa Rica or Tunisia

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Post by padihamclaret » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:42 pm

I'm amazed at the negativity of some fans and the prospect of playing in Europe. I understand the argument that it has affected some clubs league form but that's not guaranted to happen. It's only 2 seasons ago we were playing 46 league games in the championship (not the same standard but it's still 90 minutes of football.)
The positives for the club would be massive and for me as a fan, it would be unbelievable to see my beloved clarets in Europe. UTC
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by tiger76 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:57 pm

Whether we qualify for Europe or not there is no guarantee our league form won't dip next season.

We could do well in the Europa League also look at some of the sides that have reached QF'S and beyond recently.

Fulham won the Inter-toto thing to qualify and made it all the way to the final.

Do you think the likes of Defour would have this attitude the guy is a winner.
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Post by Spijed » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:01 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:- and we might win it Lancaster, and then we'd qualify for the Champions League the following season..

Imagine being in a group with Benfica, AC Milan and Ajax - that'd be fun and we'd make a few £££££s.
How rubbish. I want to be in a group with Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG. Etc.

Not some second rate European clubs. ;)

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:02 pm

What's all this guff about losing money playing in the Europa league? Where's the evidence? Hotels and flights costing more than TV rights and extra sponsorship.

Attracting better players and getting our name around Europe would be huge. Sure some of the teams are crap but there's also some good European teams in there too.

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Post by Sidney1st » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:03 pm

I want to see a top clubs defence getting the full Ashley Barnes experience.
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Post by Spijed » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:03 pm

Imagine Messi on a cold wet Tuesday evening in Burnley! ;)
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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Have to agree with BigF - the higher up the Premier League we finish, the more merit money we make. I think it is about £2 million per place and we are all but guaranteed a top nine finish, so finishing seventh would be worth a further £4 million.

However, clubs make losses on the Europa League. There's no money to be had in it generally and it will cost. We'd also need a bigger squad to deal with it bringing further expenditure.

So, financially at least, we would actually be better off finishing 8th.
I was stood next to the Chairman and his son yesterday in the away end and he was beaming with pride as the 'Were all going on a European tour' rung out from the away end.

He certainly didn't look like a guy that was worried about losing money if we qualified, thank God he's not as weary as someone of the wet wipes on here about the Europa league.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:42 pm

You can't measure it in £££ - the brand exposure we will get will be priceless.

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Re: Financial implications of getting 7th spot ( europe )

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:18 pm

It's certainly a very interesting debate and one most of us ever thought we'd be having. If you look at the financial rewards attached to the Europa league on the UEFA website they really aren't great. IF you actually win it you get (I think) about 15 million for your overall participation which definitely isn't to be sniffed at. Neither is the accompanying entry to next year's CL which is worth zillions. However you'd need to deduct significant travel costs, costs of increasing the squad size, the possibility of more injuries and the possible knock on effects on league form following long trips to Wherethehellisstan for Thursday night games. Unless you do win the competition it appears it COULD probably cover the costs involved as long as you make some reasonable progress, but it might even be a financial burden. The increased publicity and accompanying kudos is difficult to quantify and if you end up playing one of Europe's top teams home and away it could be a fantastic experience. (And financially lucrative!)
I remember both Bolton and Stoke having forays into it in recent years and tbh it didn't seem to do them a lot of good.
Anyway, if BK is smiling at the prospect then I'm happy too as Barry knows his onions when it comes to the finances of BFC.

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