My son was had his Burnley shirt stolen last night

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:48 am

My son who is 17 and a decent well behaved young man went to the Manchester arena tonight to see the courteeners, he was wearing his Burnley away shirt under a coat, the security inside the arena spotted the shirt , he was taken to the merchandise stand and forced to buy a t shirt and then made to remove his Burnley shirt , this was then confiscated and binned,
I have checked the terms and conditions on the web site and no where does wearing a footy shirt deemed against the rule,
He repeteadly asked for the management but was told the shirt had been binned,
So be aware the security staff at the m.e.n obviously think they are a low to them selves , so that’s a away shirt gone and he had to buy a tour shirt or he would have been evicted from the arena,
If any body knows where we stand legally , any help would be appreciated
Thsnks

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:54 am

That sounds very odd. You can’t force anyone to buy anything. Proving it would be hard mind.

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:00 am

If he didn’t buy another t shirt he would have been evicted from the venue.. disgusting behaviour bye the staff at the arena

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:04 am

I'm somewhat relieved. Having read the title I thought he'd been attacked. It's over 30 years ago now but I can speak from experience of having been mugged by some thugs.

But what's happened here is just not right at all. I'd certainly be taking this up with the venue or whoever is responsible. They can't force anyone to buy anything.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:04 am

Wan.ers and bully boys.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:06 am

ClaretTony wrote:I'm somewhat relieved. Having read the title I thought he'd been attacked. It's over 30 years ago now but I can speak from experience of having been mugged by some thugs.

But what's happened here is just not right at all. I'd certainly be taking this up with the venue or whoever is responsible. They can't force anyone to buy anything.

Or remove clothing and bin em. Bullies.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:40 am

Ah the courteeners. What a load of **** that lot are. Talentless wasters that are unknown outside manchester. Re-recorded their debut album and re released it to rip off fans to those that dont know who they are.

If your sons on twitter get hold of the front man. If he is what he says he is he’ll get him a new one.

Glad it wasnt a mugging.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:47 am

Dyched wrote:Ah the courteeners. What a load of **** that lot are. Talentless wasters that are unknown outside manchester. Re-recorded their debut album and re released it to rip off fans to those that dont know who they are.

If your sons on twitter get hold of the front man. If he is what he says he is he’ll get him a new one.

Glad it wasnt a mugging.

What a load of rubbish! Great band, I was there tonight and it was bouncing!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:54 am

lifelongclaret wrote:My son who is 17 and a decent well behaved young man went to the Manchester arena tonight to see the courteeners, he was wearing his Burnley away shirt under a coat, the security inside the arena spotted the shirt , he was taken to the merchandise stand and forced to buy a t shirt and then made to remove his Burnley shirt , this was then confiscated and binned,
I have checked the terms and conditions on the web site and no where does wearing a footy shirt deemed against the rule,
He repeteadly asked for the management but was told the shirt had been binned,
So be aware the security staff at the m.e.n obviously think they are a low to them selves , so that’s a away shirt gone and he had to buy a tour shirt or he would have been evicted from the arena,
If any body knows where we stand legally , any help would be appreciated
Thsnks

I think I would be calling the arena first thing monday morning

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:40 am

Calling him Bruce?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:57 am

On the ball when it comes to football shirts, less so with ******* suicide bombers.

1963Claret · Post by **1963Claret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:59 am

Dyched wrote:Ah the courteeners. What a load of **** that lot are. Talentless wasters that are unknown outside manchester. Re-recorded their debut album and re released it to rip off fans to those that dont know who they are.

If your sons on twitter get hold of the front man. If he is what he says he is he’ll get him a new one.

Glad it wasnt a mugging.

They may be a load of **** to you but I'll think you'll find they are far from unknown outside Manchester. Some of their stuff is excellent. The shirt removal story is horrendous - probably some Rovers supporting pr1ck of a steward with small club syndrome.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:11 am

I think the title of the thread needs changing.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:19 am

My first response would be to contact the arena and mention trading standards in the conversation. Keep an email trail.

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:20 am

Seems an extremely over the top ‘security’measure compared to the flares that will have got through and the type of substance that will have caused ridiculously long tailbacks at the toilet cubicles.

The only thing that could maybe justify their reasoning is them being on red alert for football related unrest after the Manchester Derby - the Courteeners definitely attract, shall we say, some ‘characters’!

Hope he gets a replacement and despite the incident he enjoyed the gig. They are an excellent band.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:24 am

They are half price in club shop. Get anutha

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:39 am

Does he look a bit thuggish. Maybe they didn't want any trouble with people wearing football shirts.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:40 am

Why the hell should he get ‘anutha’ ?
He has paid full price for a Burnley shirt already and had it removed from him illegally by some high-vis, low-powered Manc rubberhead.

- it is the Arena authorities who should get him another.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:23 am

If he went in the train station entrance it will be camera up everywhere.

Like someone says earlier in the thread contact Liam Fray on twitter, he's quite active on there.

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:31 am

I would think that they’re gonna have to replace the shirt and refund the purchased your shirt unless they can demonstrate that they provided sufficient information to inform attendees that football shirts weren’t permitted. That should be provided at point of purchase but if it said ‘terms and conditions apply’ then you should refer to those to check. I’d be slapping it on social media if this wasn’t stated and they refuse to sort it.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:44 am

The merchandising area should be covered by CCTV.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:53 am

I didn’t realise there was a dress code to watch a band?

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:09 am

The whole stadium should be covered by CCTV, especially the entrances (which is where i suppose he was first stopped) and if it isn't there should be one almighty $hit storm in view of recent goings on there.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:33 am

MEN is a shite venue, I’ve purposely seen events in other city’s instead of going there.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:35 am

Playing Devils Advocate, the security staff have every right to determine if the presentation of a person could be deemed inflammatory. A Burnley football shirt in a foreign arena could be deemed so. It only takes one idiot to pick a fight. Having decided that the shirt could not enter, the suggestion is that the nearest alternative is available via the merchandise sales area. No doubt, if there was a shop open round the corner, that would be a cheaper option.

The 'Binning' of the shirt is not appropriate from the security. It should have been made clear where the item could be reclaimed, on leaving the arena.

Suggest a legitimate claim for reimbursement could be made. Like for like - £20.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:30 am

Thanks for sharing. I've put it up on FB for the benefit of others but I'd be surprised if it's not a horsefiddling neanderthal abusing power.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:01 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Why the hell should he get ‘anutha’ ?
He has paid full price for a Burnley shirt already and had it removed from him illegally by some high-vis, low-powered Manc rubberhead.

- it is the Arena authorities who should get him another.

Whats the odds of that tho

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:37 pm

I was there myself. Obviously wasnt the fashion police... Burnley shirts banned but flares allowed! I'll get my coat. Actually I wont they took that and binned it.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:15 pm

Obviously they were Manure fans and Burnley are now seen as serious rivals ! Had it been a Rovers shirt they would have given him a Dunces hat and made him stand in the corner of the stage.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:37 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I was there myself. Obviously wasnt the fashion police... Burnley shirts banned but flares allowed! I'll get my coat. Actually I wont they took that and binned it.

Looks like you had a cracking view. Did you take binoculars?

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:04 pm

Manchester Greed Culture - you can keep it.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:07 pm

You can't take a Burnley shirt anywhere these days.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:16 pm

OP, you should get in touch with that guy who's son was mugged. They went to the same gig and have similar stories. You can have them corroborate one another's stories to the police.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:01 pm

lifelongclaret wrote:My son who is 17 and a decent well behaved young man.

Just had a reply from the daughter on FB. She says Derby day in Manchester is a no football shirts in public establishments rule.
First I'd heard of it and I'd still be taking it further.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:10 pm

piston broke wrote:Just had a reply from the daughter on FB. She says Derby day in Manchester is a no football shirts in public establishments rule.
First I'd heard of it and I'd still be taking it further.

But you don't just throw a customers shirt in a bin...say it had been a female? To me the bullying element was showing it's ugly mug.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:50 pm

tim_noone wrote:But you don't just throw a customers shirt in a bin...say it had been a female? To me the bullying element was showing it's ugly mug.

Absolutely. I think it's disgusting behaviour. I was just posting for information.

SparkyClaret · Post by **SparkyClaret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:24 pm

Went to a gig at M.E.N at the back end of last year. Mate of mine had a rucksack with him, hadn’t read the notice with the tickets. The security staff’s answer was that he’d have to a) store it in a locker at Manchester Victoria (which don’t exist) or b) throw it away. In an area with no bins. Which would mean an unattended rucksack being left outside a gig.

Now, daft not to read the notice with the tickets, but the response from the security team at M.E.N was laughable to say the least. Suggesting that someone throw away any of their possessions to enter a gig is ridiculous, but a football shirt is new levels of ridiculous, especially since they allowed people in with pyros

lifelongclaret · Post by **lifelongclaret** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:00 pm

Thank you for all the reply’s..
Just to clarify, they took away the shirt and although he ask for it to be stored and returned later , he was told it was being binned as they don’t have the facility to store items, He was given the option of leaving the venue or buy a shirt from the merchandise stall, he tried to reason with the supervisor, but she was adement that footy shirts were banned, I have check the website and it doesn’t mention it, I have tried to contact the venue and also sent them a message on social media.. it

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:10 pm

It's quite common for things with a high 'lad' audience to be no football colours. It would usually state it on the ticket T&Cs.

Eloise Laws · Post by **Eloise Laws** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:42 am

Why didn't the security suggest that the young man wear his newly purchased t-shirt over his football top? PLUS explaining as to why his own shirt was not allowed.
Sometimes a perfectly explained reason is accepted and understood

Jeremy_Bentham · Post by **Jeremy_Bentham** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:08 am

Eloise Laws wrote:Why didn't the security suggest that the young man wear his newly purchased t-shirt over his football top? PLUS explaining as to why his own shirt was not allowed.
Sometimes a perfectly explained reason is accepted and understood

. expects for the same reasons the boy wasn’t allowed to just zip his coat up.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:46 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Looks like you had a cracking view. Did you take binoculars?

No, I just sat inside and made the most of the free bar...