Brady to Everton

[kaptin1]

Sunday Express suggesting Everton will bid for Brady in the summer. Suspect a lot of our players could be subject to approaches given how well we have performed, but the grass is not always greener even if the pay is better!

[Shore claret]

20million +lookman, maybe

[gawthorpe_view]

One of really tough challenges facing us going forward is keeping, or replacing where necessary, players who have been tempted away.

[kaptin1]

I think they’d be much better served trying to take our manager

[Acting Claret]

I’d forgotten about Brady.

[wickdkewlclaret]

You know teams are desperate when they are poaching long term injured players from us. Unfortunately our success can't be replicated by signing one or two of our players.

[mdd2]

There will be a lot of cherry picking going on. 1) both keepers especially Pope 2) both Mee and Tarks 3) Defour 4) hendrick may be restless 5) arfield may want to go or not offered a contract 6)Vokes may want away 7)Wood

[JimmyRobbo]

I'm more concerned that he comes back the same player. These injuries can take a player's 'top end'.

[Woodleyclaret]

Buying the parts doesn't help.Sigmunsson looked top class at Swansea poor at Everton.Keano with Ben Mee to bail out his mistakes looks Championship standard on a good day.
Its about the team a concept Everton dont get.Rooney was on the fade when he was signed and now looks poor.Everton had a massive team building job to do before BFS took over but unlike the days when they cherry picked our best players they dont have unlimited cash reserves.
They are now run by businessmen looking to turn a profit.

[ClaretTony]

We've made a rod for our own back in some ways with our standing this season in the league. No longer are our players going to be targeted by lesser clubs but now by clubs who can offer much more than us. That's how it will be but hopefully our players will take a look at some recent departures and realise that the grass isn't always greener - Michael Keane and Andre Gray, the latter who now gets to sit and watch us beat Watford.

[Blackrod]

Our players will be looked at now. The person we need to keep is Dyche. He'll get the best out of the players that stay.

[Blackrod]

If they want more cash they will go. If they want to improve ,work with under a good manager, game time and finish maybe higher up the league they will stay.

[JohnMac]

I don't buy this Keane needs Ben Mee malarkey.

He made an assured England debut without another Burnley player anywhere near him.

He has not progressed but that is not solely down to changing his defensive partner, it's the whole framework of the team that is different. Siggurdsson has likewise struggle to regain his previous form.

[Quickenthetempo]

Anything from Everton at the moment has got to be speculation.

There's a 95% chance they will change manager in the summer, so I can't see them wasting money on players the new manager might not like.

[IanMcL]

Just newspapers.

[Spijed]

I'm more concerned that he comes back the same player. These injuries can take a player's 'top end'.

In this day and age surgery and injury shouldn't make a difference to a player.

Look at Ashley Barnes and Sam Vokes. Bad knee injuries but now far better players post injury.

[Colburn_Claret]

Long term maybe, but even Everton aren't daft enough to buy a player who's missed half a season.

The only way we can realistically hold on to our best players, is to pay them what they are worth. Expensive but cheaper, and safer, than buying a replacement. Wether that is cash up front, or improve the very healthy bonus payments, based on final league position.....
If I was a pro footballer, looking at the league today, it would take a lot for me to want to leave Burnley. Barring the top six no one offers the potential that we do, but the key is holding onto SD. You could leave and find you have a new manager 6 months later, who doesn't fancy you as much as the guy who bought you. Much like Andre Gray. The grass is definitely not always greener.

[FactualFrank]

Our players will be looked at now. The person we need to keep is Dyche. He'll get the best out of the players that stay.

Nail on head.

[JimmyRobbo]

In this day and age surgery and injury shouldn't make a difference to a player.

Look at Ashley Barnes and Sam Vokes. Bad knee injuries but now far better players post injury.

Yes. My main concern though is not potential sales to Everton. It's his returning the same player. I'll add that even though surgery is a massive improvement and percentages are in his favour there's a lot for him to go through. There is still the possibility that it won't fully repair, there is an enormous post surgery physiotherapy programme and the mental impact of feeling secure with it are the obvious ones. 6 months not playing 1st team football, even when fully fit, can damage careers. Nothing is guaranteed; don't underestimate that.

Is Ings back to what he was? Looks ok from the odd minutes that I've seen. Nothing is guaranteed.

[taio]

Anything from Everton at the moment has got to be speculation.

There's a 95% chance they will change manager in the summer, so I can't see them wasting money on players the new manager might not like.

Agree with this. Being widely reported that Allardyce is likely to leave. As a general point the club is bound to receive interest in some of our best players. The difference now is we can be a lot more stubborn by either refusing to sell or demanding much more money. If we get into Europe I would hope that mitigates the risk of players leaving which would be another upside of getting in the Europa League.

[Spijed]

The only way we can realistically hold on to our best players, is to pay them what they are worth. Expensive but cheaper, and safer, than buying a replacement. Wether that is cash up front, or improve the very healthy bonus payments, based on final league position.....

No, No, No.

We can never ever start to and match what other clubs pay players. Never ever.

Do that and we'll end up like Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland etc. within a few seasons.

If they leave then so be it, but whether bonuses or salaries start to rise at Burnley in line with other clubs we'll be ruined within a few years.

[JimmyRobbo]

No, No, No.
We can never ever start to and match what other clubs pay players. Never ever.
Do that and we'll end up like Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland etc. within a few seasons.
If they leave then so be it, but whether bonuses or salaries start to rise at Burnley in line with other clubs we'll be ruined within a few years.

I think Spijed is correct here. My nightmare is to follow a Stoke City blueprint; starting to pay big money and big wages for what turns out to be over-hyped talent.

Pay the going rate for a few difference makers down the spine, otherwise efficient expense on role-players with a work ethic is what I'm happy with.

Squad churning is absolutely fine, like what is about to happen with Arfield and what has happened with us for the last 10 years. A long list of players.

[taio]

No, No, No.

We can never ever start to and match what other clubs pay players. Never ever.

Do that and we'll end up like Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland etc. within a few seasons.

If they leave then so be it, but whether bonuses or salaries start to rise at Burnley in line with other clubs we'll be ruined within a few years.

Very healthy bonuses is a model that could work whilst not over committing and risking financial meltdown. The problem with that though is that players will typically choose a higher fixed wage rather than the uncertainty of team performance related bonuses. Salaries will inevitably rise but I think the Board is wise enough to make sure protections are in place, such as significant wage reductions in the event of relegation aligned to tapering of parachute payments.

[Rick_Muller]

There’s a reason Dyche is very selective about the personality characteristics of potential signings - part of his framework is based upon motivational incentives for players to self improve themselves. This is why he gets the best out of our players and forms the team ethos that is proving to be successful for us. You can’t buy that, and players that leave us lose it quite quick as we have seen.

[bodge]

Spijed and taio are correct.

We can't go giving out massive basic wages, it must be heavily incentivised as it is now in relation to league position.

The absolute key for us is to get players whilst developing as their is a clear pathway to either England recognition or a move to a so called big club or players just past their peak like Lennon who are still hungry and committed.

Keep to that recruitment template and we will continue to see the success we are having.

[No Ney Never]

At the moment, to the best players in the EFL, we have to be one of the most attractive clubs to further their career.
Burnley have shown that if patient and hardworking, they will get a chance. Not only that, we are becoming a gateway to the England setup.
Our ability to continue mixing our recruitment with premier league and good young EFL players should see us ok for today and the medium term.
Our facilities and the location of our training ground make for a great place to go to work. All the positives from players past and present about the dressing room environment also count for a lot in job satisfaction.
Our wages keep increasing the better we do and I dare say that the lads will be further rewarded if we finish well this season.
There are always players looking to increase their lot, but when you factor in many of the other reasons for a player staying at Burnley, there are other considerations to take into account than just money alone.

[mickleoverclaret]

If Everton get linked with any more of our players we won't be able to put a team out next season

[FactualFrank]

If Everton get linked with any more of our players we won't be able to put a team out next season

[Dark Cloud]

Over the past few seasons we've lost a number of players and I've no problem with that IF the money is daft (Gray), IF the player really doesn't want to stay (Shackell) or IF they aren't really part of our plans any more (Boyd). It's the recruitment of replacements which had been brilliant and that's where SD is SO important.

[Wile E Coyote]

its not a problem really, part of football. if united wanted to buy tarks for 40 million the club wouldnt turn it down.
we bring them on and develop them, so if they look good in a burnley shirt and we are doing well, richer clubs will come calling.
we have avoided being ruined by big clubs cherry picking , on the contrary, we have achieved our best success in years.

[Chester Perry]

You can understand to a certain extent players with England ambitions moving to somewhere like Everton, Leicester or West Ham,their resources and to a lesser extent standing in the perceived football hierarchy are higher. I would be interested to hear what Roy Keane and Martin O'Neil would say to the Irish boys, I think they would want them where they are playing solid, committed and uncompromising football that breeds a will to win

[FactualFrank]

You can understand to a certain extent players with England ambitions moving to somewhere like Everton, Leicester or West Ham

West Ham? Give it time and the way we are going, we'll be the best of the rest.

[Stayingup]

We've made a rod for our own back in some ways with our standing this season in the league. No longer are our players going to be targeted by lesser clubs but now by clubs who can offer much more than us. That's how it will be but hopefully our players will take a look at some recent departures and realise that the grass isn't always greener - Michael Keane and Andre Gray, the latter who now gets to sit and watch us beat Watford.

You might well add Danny Ings to that. Short of game time I know but poor yesterday.

[elwaclaret]

I am starting to suspect that the Burnley model could be heading towards "Brand Burnley". Using the method of (forgive me my American Football knowledge is almost non existant) Green Bay Packers - a small town that thrives by having a world wide following. This "our club" mentality is already quite strong locally and the name is now on the World stage - certain players will always move on but a core will be found who buy into the idea and become one club men who see the project as a potential life long employment. So long as the club continues to grow opportunities for post playing careers in the organisation will itself prove a draw for long sighted players.

I believe the sights are set higher than many of us believe and that the process is still in its earliest stages, and that in reality "we aint seen nothing yet"

[claretspice]

This sort of story is going to happen a lot and its probably wise to ignore all the speculation until it has a bit more in it - certainly in the case of players with 2-3 years left on their current deal. Mee might move on, Brady might move on, Defour might move on - but they probably won't all move on in one summer and the key is that we have a plan in place to deal with it, but also that everyone, including supporters, is realistic about what it means for us.

I 100% disagree with Colborn when he says above we should give players what they want, because it is safer. We shouldn't. We should stick to our model. If that ultimately involves players moving on to what they - and probably others in the game who don't have our view of Burnley - see as "bettering themselves", then we've got to use that as a positive and as part of our sales pitch when we approach the next Robbie Brady, etc., to join us. We need a core of players whose ambitions don't really go above playing for Burnley, or who are perpetually off-radar, and around those players there'll inevitably be a carousel of players who come and go as they use Burnley as a stepping stone to something better. We shouldn't be scared of that, we've got to embrace it. If Defour goes, it might well be the big chance for one of Westwood or Hendrick to step forward and be the main man at the heart of midfield alongside Cork (and Westy is already taking that chance). If Brady goes, then it might be a chance for someone else to come in out wide. Gray went and it allowed Wood his big break.

But what we also need to accept is that not every season will be like this. There will be seasons in the top flight when we don't have the momentum we've got now, where perhaps there's greater turnover of players and we can't adapt as seamlessly as we have this season, and so we struggle a bit. We've got to accept that as part of our lot. It might involve going down at some point, but it will definitely involve finding ourselves in a scrap at some point. But we've got to stick to the same model and back ourselves to get through the dip and rebuild. We won't always be 7th, and we can't ever expect to be higher than 7th.

[IanMcL]

I expect us to be sixth Spice!

[Iloveyoubrady]

Will Brady be getting into the team though with Lennon and JBG doing so well. I think we are more effective with just one of Brady or JBG playing on the opposite wing to Lennon as they are very similar players, while Lennon is more of a pacy winger they are both more technical. I’d quite like to see us play JBG in the Hendrick position, with Brady and Lennon wide and Wood up top.

Really doubt he will be sold though for anything less than £20m and really doubt Everton would want him enough to pay close to that.

[Lancasterclaret]

Going on about being sixth is fine, but "Dry Powder Lolz" and "that was the worst game I've seen" in the context of us at the moment is ludicrous.

And the people who said that sort of thing then, are the same people who won't want to understand just how spot on Spices post is.

[BennyD]

People underestimate the pull of a fantastic team spirit and, at the moment, we have that in spades. Look at those who have recently signed long term contracts, especially SD, and as long as he’s here I don’t think we need fear a mass exodus. Everton won’t be high on any list after what’s happening to Keane so press speculation is merely that. We may even become the stepping stone to the top 6 that Everton used to be, but I can’t see the guys moving to teams below us even for bigger money. Also, SDs ability to get his guys England call-ups will be another big draw for decent players. I’m not at all stressed about this and look at the future with a certain confidence.

[taio]

But what we also need to accept is that not every season will be like this. There will be seasons in the top flight when we don't have the momentum we've got now, where perhaps there's greater turnover of players and we can't adapt as seamlessly as we have this season, and so we struggle a bit. We've got to accept that as part of our lot. It might involve going down at some point, but it will definitely involve finding ourselves in a scrap at some point. But we've got to stick to the same model and back ourselves to get through the dip and rebuild. We won't always be 7th, and we can't ever expect to be higher than 7th.

So right in all aspects. And when our downturn comes everyone should get behind the board, manager and players because they deserve it and to help them through it. Won't happen though.

[alwaysaclaret]

There's 2 big reasons why no-one will want to leave, europa league and Sean dyche, coupled with the fact that players that have left have already shown that the grass is not always greener, all this imo should make it very easy for the club to extend /renew players contracts, so imo I would doubt anyone is going anywhere, unless of course sd wants them to. On more than one occasion most of our players have gone on record as saying there's no better place to be that we're just one big family sd is testament to that ! Rest easy fellow clarets.

[FactualFrank]

You might well add Danny Ings to that. Short of game time I know but poor yesterday.

Not sure it's allowed to dish him on the board. But he's never been anywhere near good enough for a club the size of Liverpool in my opinion.

[ClaretTony]

You might well add Danny Ings to that. Short of game time I know but poor yesterday.

Ings was different though - he was always going and he went when we'd been relegated. Now clubs are looking at our players because they are taking us into the top area of the Premier League.

[claretinkorea]

Hopefully we get a shot at the Europa League (and stay in past the qualification rounds). That might not stop all outgoings, but perhaps enough that it doesn't wreck the balance we have...

[Quickenthetempo]

Going on about being sixth is fine, but "Dry Powder Lolz" and "that was the worst game I've seen" in the context of us at the moment is ludicrous.

And the people who said that sort of thing then, are the same people who won't want to understand just how spot on Spices post is.

I'm pretty confident that any poster using the term lolz won't be able to read one of Spice's long posts.

[Cubanclaret]

Probably the first team player I’d be least worried about, given he’s a fair way off even being fit.

[Pstotto]

'Carry on Karen'

[mdd2]

I think only Tripps who wanted away after relegation has done much in this league. Keane has played a bit but lost his England place Ings and Gray have had bit parts thus far. jay and Charlie have done OK for themselves regarding playing but suffered with big injuries (as has Ings). In the Championship Shacks seems a busted flush, Wallace Jones and Boyd have played a lot but in a lower division and only Boyd and Shacks wanted out.
Only two ex-clarets who have done much in the Prem are Pugh and Stanislas. Grant has usually been No. 2 at Stoke.
If one goes back further in time I don't think Ade Chaplow or Blake did much in this league.
Grass certainly greener financially but if you want to play you are mostly better off here where in the last 5plus years the "lawn feed" has probably been better than at most clubs and without it there is a tendency for the grass on the pitch to fade.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Brady is one we could let go if the bid is right.

He had been excellent in the 4/5 games before injury but it’s taken some time.

I’ve a feeling that we’ll be starting from square one again when he’s back.

[houseboy]

If you believe all that is in the media it appears that Everton are just gonna come along and buy our whole team. Before anyone goes there they need to have a word with Michael Kean.