If we don't get a penalty on Saturday...

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:59 pm

So what are the non-penalties not awarded to us at home in the league this season then?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Wow! UptheBeehole really has sand in his fanny about this, hasn’t he?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Wow! UptheBeehole really has sand in his fanny about this, hasn’t he?

just spat my coffee over my keyboard on that, thanks mate

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:08 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Wow! UptheBeehole really has sand in his fanny about this, hasn’t he?

Au contraire, I'm not the one who started a thread crying that we haven't had a (league) penalty.

I'm more than happy with how the team are doing without penalties.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:09 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Au contraire, I'm not the one who started a thread crying that we haven't had a (league) penalty.

I'm more than happy with how the team are doing without penalties.

Me thinks the lady doth protest, too much!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:10 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Wow! UptheBeehole really has sand in his fanny about this, hasn’t he?

Odd isn't it! All I did was post a fact!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:11 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Au contraire, I'm not the one who started a thread crying that we haven't had a (league) penalty.

I'm more than happy with how the team are doing without penalties.

Can you point out the bit where you think I'm crying about it please.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:13 pm

Your ridiculous OP

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:16 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Your ridiculous OP

Do you not have a sense of humour then? As I've said, all I did was state a fact. I then tried to say something humorous about the nature of winning penalties. If you didn't think it was funny then i'm sorry, but if you think I'm having a whinge about anything you're well wide of the mark. I'm not the whinging type when it come to football, always been glass half full.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:19 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Your ridiculous OP

I thought it was very funny and apposite

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:07 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So what are the non-penalties not awarded to us at home in the league this season then?

West Ham - Hart brought down Wood.
Why are you just talking about home games ?

See you are being as charming as ever on this thread ! Is this the way you conduct yourself in the rest of your life ? Or is just this forum ?

1963Claret · Post by **1963Claret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:04 pm

houseboy wrote:Was that the one where we managed to lose 6-4?

No we won 2-0.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:14 pm

Bet Leicester get 1 on Saturday !!!

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:56 pm

I saw Dave Roberts bring up the West Ham one the other day. I had a perfect, perfect view of it from the CFS and Hart clearly got the ball.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:17 pm

Walton wrote:I saw Dave Roberts bring up the West Ham one the other day. I had a perfect, perfect view of it from the CFS and Hart clearly got the ball.

Your perfect view was wrong. Here’s the link (from around 1m 25s).

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4684276/ ... turf-moor/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I suppose if you’re being really pedantic you could say Hart got the ball, but he had to go through the back of Wood’s legs first.

Sorry for linking to the Sun - it was the only one I could find.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:24 pm

Greenmile wrote:Your perfect view was wrong.

Only people who watch matches on TV with replays have perfect, perfect views.

I've never had a perfect view ever whilst at the match.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Greenmile wrote:Your perfect view was wrong. Here’s the link (from around 1m 25s).

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4684276/ ... turf-moor/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I suppose if you’re being really pedantic you could say Hart got the ball, but he had to go through the back of Wood’s legs first.

Sorry for linking to the Sun - it was the only one I could find.

I think that video shows how it wasn't a penalty. Hart clearly wins the ball and Wood getting hit is secondary. A ball and man challenge anywhere else on the pitch is seen as a great thing.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:42 pm

Walton wrote:I think that video shows how it wasn't a penalty. Hart clearly wins the ball and Wood getting hit is secondary. A ball and man challenge anywhere else on the pitch is seen as a great thing.

You must be kidding. Wood clearly gets there first then Hart goes through the back of him. You can even see how Hart pulls his hands away (after the contact) because he knows what he’s done.

No matter where you are on the pitch, you can’t go through the back of the opposition player to get the ball.

I’m not buying into any anti-Burnley conspiracy theories or anything - refs are fallible like everyone else, and I can’t think of many other clear cut pens we’ve been denied this season (only Hendrick v Huddersfield off the top of my head) - but that’s as clear a penalty as they come.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:42 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Bet Leicester get 1 on Saturday !!!

Hope we don’t get one if the outcome is the same as last time we got a penalty at home to Leicester.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:47 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Did we have a thread about it when Swansea went over a year without a penalty?

Actually I think there is a connection here in that, like us, Swansea are seen as one of the minnows of the league. I wouldn’t say it was a conspiracy but I do think referees a psychologically biased towards giving more of these big decisions to the bigger clubs.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:49 pm

Greenmile wrote:You must be kidding. Wood clearly gets there first then Hart goes through the back of him. You can even see how Hart pulls his hands away (after the contact) because he knows what he’s done.

No matter where you are on the pitch, you can’t go through the back of the opposition player to get the ball.

I’m not buying into any anti-Burnley conspiracy theories or anything - refs are fallible like everyone else, and I can’t think of many other clear cut pens we’ve been denied this season (only Hendrick v Huddersfield off the top of my head) - but that’s as clear a penalty as they come.

If our keeper made that amount of contact on the ball while simultaneously taking the man, and a penalty was awarded, there'd be a riot.

It's not a case that Hart only got the ball because he got Wood. I can't even see that Hart gets Wood before the ball. What's clear is that Hart undoubtedly wins the ball, and that's what the ref is looking for. It's not a penalty.

I played as a keeper for ages, with a certain degree of success, and I'd get sent off for protesting if that was given against me.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:49 pm

The Lössl one is a completely different matter, was a penalty, and he even admitted it.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:56 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Did we not go 2 full years without getting a penalty a few years ago?

I thought that the 2 year record was not scoring from corners until we got one at Ipswich away in a 1-1 draw. There again there have been some games in years gone by where we could have played for 2 years and not scored.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:56 pm

Walton wrote:If our keeper made that amount of contact on the ball while simultaneously taking the man, and a penalty was awarded, there'd be a riot.

It's not a case that Hart only got the ball because he got Wood. I can't even see that Hart gets Wood before the ball. What's clear is that Hart undoubtedly wins the ball, and that's what the ref is looking for. It's not a penalty.

I played as a keeper for ages, with a certain degree of success, and I'd get sent off for protesting if that was given against me.

You’d probably have had even more success if you’d learned the rules of the game - a ‘keeper can’t take man then ball without giving away a foul (if the ref sees it right). If you can’t see that Hart took Wood out before he touched the ball you also need your eyes testing.

Hart knew he’d fouled him - you can tell by his reaction - and even ex-Hammer Iain Dowie on the commentary says it’s a clear penalty, and I suspect he might have experienced a larger degree of success than you did on the football field.

Hand on heart, if that had been given against us, I’d have had no complaints.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:57 pm

Dyched wrote:It’s probably still Graham Alexander

Logged in just to like this!

That season in the championship I have a bet every game fir Alexander to score, I'm sure I made a profit.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:05 pm

“Joe touched the ball but if we were in that situation I would expect a penalty,” admitted an honest Bilic.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... tch-report" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:07 pm

The last time we got a penalty according to my almanac I was in nappies saying mama dada titty......and no i am not a politician it was over fifty years ago. Therefore as a stroll down memory lane is required I'll soil myself and puke down a bystander.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:18 pm

"It's a penalty," he said. "Joe Hart comes out too fast, he pulls his arms away but his body knocks him over. He has a go at Chris Wood which he shouldn't have done, he's got away with one there." - Danny Murphy

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... e_Hammers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:56 am

1963Claret wrote:No we won 2-0.

Oh right. When was the 6-4 one, ridiculous scoring 4 away and not even getting a point.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:33 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Actually I think there is a connection here in that, like us, Swansea are seen as one of the minnows of the league. I wouldn’t say it was a conspiracy but I do think referees a psychologically biased towards giving more of these big decisions to the bigger clubs.

We were minnows last year but we got quite a few penalties, some of them wrongly. I reckon it's just coincidence - after all, there are twenty clubs in the league and one of them has to be most unlucky on the rough end of wrong decisions.

Penalties are more or less random nowadays - very tiny touches can be construed as fouls but most often aren't - and if twenty teams have five 50-50 decisions, the majority will get two or three in the favour, the unlucky few will get only 1 (while the lucky get 4), but the chances are better than even that one team will get 5 in their favour and that another team will get 5 against.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:47 pm

houseboy wrote:Oh right. When was the 6-4 one, ridiculous scoring 4 away and not even getting a point.

Wasn't it Halloween night under Stan? About 2002?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:01 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Wasn't it Halloween night under Stan? About 2002?

You could be right, I remember where I was working at the time and got a bit of stick for it. I also remember Stan (I think) ranting the same thing about scoring 4 away.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:03 pm

No Ney Never wrote:Perhaps we could print posters off and tie them to all the lampposts leading up to the Turf....Missing Penalty, have you seen....

I don't want to find a missing penalty. Can you put up notices about a scoring penalty?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:29 pm

Why did my post get removed?

1963Claret · Post by **1963Claret** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:23 pm

houseboy wrote:You could be right, I remember where I was working at the time and got a bit of stick for it. I also remember Stan (I think) ranting the same thing about scoring 4 away.

It was 6-5 actually!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:41 pm

1963Claret wrote:It was 6-5 actually!

Yeah, you're right. Memory fails me. I remember asking now how many teams have scored 5 away and got no points. Oh those were dire days but I suppose we sort of enjoyed them in a strange and masochistic way.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:56 pm

"Right, so other than the penalty we've had this season, we haven't had a penalty this season.

Is that right?"

"Well, what about the one in the F.A cup?"

"Right, so other than the penalty we've had this season, the penalty we had in the f.a cup, we haven't had a penalty this season.

*Read in the style of life of brian.

Petrol · Post by **Petrol** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:10 pm

What are people's thoughts on the 'trip' on Lennon, second half? Looked nailed on to me in real time, not seen the replay mind.v

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:12 pm

I was behind the goal and thought it was a blatant penalty at the time. Replays may prove me wrong.

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:17 pm

thought they where some dubious decisions today by Atkinson
Barnes was barged into by Simson at full pelt that then lead Barnes sliding into Schmeichel and Barnes getting a yellow

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:17 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:I was behind the goal and thought it was a blatant penalty at the time. Replays may prove me wrong.

Looked outside the box.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:18 pm

Conroy92 wrote:"Right, so other than the penalty we've had this season, we haven't had a penalty this season.

Is that right?"

"Well, what about the one in the F.A cup?"

"Right, so other than the penalty we've had this season, the penalty we had in the f.a cup, we haven't had a penalty this season.

*Read in the style of life of brian.

Except we didn't get a penalty in the FA Cup?????

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:20 pm

martin_p wrote:Looked outside the box.

Same from our viewpoint. Most likely a foul but not a penalty.
May be wrong. Need to see replay.

Petrol · Post by **Petrol** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:24 pm

To add balance, thought that they should have had a penalty for a blatant handball 5 minutes before the Lennon shout.

Petrol · Post by **Petrol** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:25 pm

martin_p wrote:Looked outside the box.

Ahhh, perhaps.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:26 pm

Petrol wrote:To add balance, thought that they should have had a penalty for a blatant handball 5 minutes before the Lennon shout.

Apparently that was outside the box as well.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:27 pm

Petrol wrote:Ahhh, perhaps.

That said, looked like a foul and was a great position for a free kick.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:33 pm

Clear foul and looked on the line to me.

Think we might’ve got away with one with the Lowton handball though...

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:36 pm

Can you visualise, next time we should have a penalty but don’t get one, we all fall over!

Cajun · Post by **Cajun** » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:46 pm

I am visualizing that on Thursday we will be awarded a stoppage-time time penalty that Vokes, who will have come on as a sub with 15 mins to go, will take and slot in for yet another 2-1 win.