ARTICLE: Dyche hopeful on Tarkowski

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:21 pm

Knock last night but settled down - Mee unlikely to be fit

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UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:24 pm

Taylor into centre back then?

Who's the cover?

Why didn't we sign a centre back last summer, or this winter?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:26 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Taylor into centre back then?

Who's the cover?

Why didn't we sign a centre back last summer, or this winter?

I reckon it's because we’re not in a position to buy a player for the sake of it to fill a hole. That player might be £10 million

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:27 pm

Like when we signed Tarkowski?

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:27 pm

That’s one. Lotta bait on this one.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:28 pm

It could be Taylor at CB if Tarkowski doesn't make it, but it's worth noting that Lowton played several games at Villa in that position... that's if we're prepared to put Bardsley in at RB against his old club.

Just a thought, but I'll leave it to Dyche!

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:29 pm

Probably because the one he wanted was unavailable.
In hindsight we did not need one 7 th with 4 games to
play and will probably need 2 in the summer if Ben Mee leaves.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:29 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Like when we signed Tarkowski?

He didn't cost 10 Million pounds.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:32 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Taylor into centre back then?

Who's the cover?

Why didn't we sign a centre back last summer, or this winter?

I knew you'd be first to celebrate this news.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:37 pm

So everyone's absolutely fine with limping to the end of the season with the calamitous Long and a young wing back at centre half?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:39 pm

Calamitous? Really?

Long's game has come on leaps and bounds under Dyche.

Are you blaming him for the first goal last night? Pope was more at fault in my opinion.

MiltonKeynesClaret93 · Post by **MiltonKeynesClaret93** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:39 pm

Calamitous!? I know it's nice out but don't spend all day at the pub.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:40 pm

Not an ideal situation, but we have enough Defenders who can step in if required to see us over the line.

We're far ahead enough of Leicester that we should be fine.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:41 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Calamitous? Really?

Long's game has come on leaps and bounds under Dyche.

Are you blaming him for the first goal last night? Pope was more at fault in my opinion.

You're not allowed to say that, apparently Pope has never made an error, ever

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:43 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You're not allowed to say that, apparently Pope has never made an error, ever

Well... he did last night.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:44 pm

I think we are safe in 7th, but if we arn't and have both Mee and Tarks out for the rest of the season, we would have got exactly what deserved for a reckless gamble. We have known for 2 transfer windows (and probably months more) that we needed another cb and we are loaded.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:46 pm

summitclaret wrote:I think we are safe in 7th, but if we arn't and have both Mee and Tarks out for the rest of the season, we would have got exactly what deserved for a reckless gamble.

What 8th? **** me. You naughty Burnley board. You naughty, naughty people.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:47 pm

summitclaret wrote:I think we are safe in 7th, but if we arn't and have both Mee and Tarks out for the rest of the season, we would have got exactly what deserved for a reckless gamble. We have known for 2 transfer windows (and probably months more) that we needed another cb and we are loaded.

Not loaded enough to waste 10 Million quid though.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:48 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Well... he did last night.

Sidney will turn up with some screengrab to show that apparently he's never made an error, ever.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:52 pm

summitclaret wrote:I think we are safe in 7th, but if we arn't and have both Mee and Tarks out for the rest of the season, we would have got exactly what deserved for a reckless gamble. We have known for 2 transfer windows (and probably months more) that we needed another cb and we are loaded.

I did say it at the end of the August transfer window. ‘Mark my words’, I said, ‘our failure to sign a centre half will mean we only finish eighth!’

People laughed at me.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:56 pm

Even if we don't get another point, it's still very likely we finish 7th.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:58 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Well... he did last night.

Not a mistake that led to the goal, according to the Official Premier League stats page

Stats are very important to some on this forum, so those are the stats I can provide if required

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:58 pm

And even if we don't finish 7th, to call the board out for "not recruiting properly" is ludicrous

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Not ludicrous at all. In the hypothetical situation i am talking about we would have thrown away a chance of european football because we only had 3 cbs. Why risk that?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:31 pm

WTF are you talking about ?
Having 3 centre backs has got us to 7th place

We will get a 4th centre half when the right deal comes along and not when Notts Forest want £20m for a player who has hardly pulled up any trees this season.

When we do get a 4th centre back you can move on to your next whinge about the most successful manager we have had in 50 years

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:44 pm

The problem would be finding a centre back better than Long or Taylor who was willing to be substitute for almost every game. Long is not as good as Mee but he is good enough to be third choice. Being fourth choice and not likely to play is not going to be much of an enticement for a player who has a lot to offer.

paulatky · Post by **paulatky** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:27 pm

Or Wardy could play LCB with Taylor LB

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:And even if we don't finish 7th, to call the board out for "not recruiting properly" is ludicrous

Come on Lancaster you’ve been on this messageboard to know better!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:48 pm

The old 10m player line.

You don't have to spend 10m on every player you know, you can try and grab a bargain, a young lad to develop, or a cheaper wise head.

Job is done, so no harm done, and we are learning season on season, hopefully next year the lesson learnt will be, its good practice to have more centre backs than goal keepers.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:01 pm

No doubts we will need 4 CBs if we are in Europe, and who better to sign than Cahill?

Was very impressed with him last night. He has struggled at times this season but remains a class above Tarks, Mee and Long (as one would expect, being the captain of the champions and England regular).

Imagine what a player like that would do in Dyche’s framework? It may seem fanciful but he is probably on his way out of Chelsea and is there another route into Europe for him?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:09 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I reckon it's because we’re not in a position to buy a player for the sake of it to fill a hole. That player might be £10 million

Had we not overachieved so much the impact might have been significantly more than 10m.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:46 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:No doubts we will need 4 CBs if we are in Europe, and who better to sign than Cahill?

Was very impressed with him last night. He has struggled at times this season but remains a class above Tarks, Mee and Long (as one would expect, being the captain of the champions and England regular).

Imagine what a player like that would do in Dyche’s framework? It may seem fanciful but he is probably on his way out of Chelsea and is there another route into Europe for him?

Excellent shout and still shows respect to the fans even almost 15 years after he left us. Getting on now but still very good and clearly looks after himself.

How on earth is it that long since he was here.

Best centre half ive seen for us could never believe villa got shut.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Had we not overachieved so much the impact might have been significantly more than 10m.

That's true. If we had lost lots of matches that we had won, and if some people had been injured that weren't injured, and if me auntie had ....

How about "if Sean Dyche didn't manage Burnley the way he does, but managed Burnley in a different way - where would we be?"

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:09 pm

Im not disputing how well we have done and how good a manager dyche is bit we have had a lot of luck. Both with injuries and the seamless way we have replaced them. Showing the system and the manager is probably more important than individuals.

Its almost as careless as when we didnt sign a cm before marney got injured. Sometimes it affects you this time it didnt.

At 2m a place in the league and the even bigger cost of relegation, we should have two players in every position.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:40 pm

MACCA wrote:The old 10m player line.

You don't have to spend 10m on every player you know, you can try and grab a bargain, a young lad to develop, or a cheaper wise head.

Job is done, so no harm done, and we are learning season on season, hopefully next year the lesson learnt will be, its good practice to have more centre backs than goal keepers.

Dyche did identify the centre half he wants to sign and back in January Forest wanted considerably more then 19 million for him.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:12 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Taylor into centre back then?

Who's the cover?

Why didn't we sign a centre back last summer, or this winter?

Because it fell through on deadline day.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:45 am

Leicester to release Robert Huth. Might not be a bad shout as 4th choice ahead of next season. Has been injured and then out of favour most of this season. But was a man mountain when Leicester won the league. Could do much worse for experienced backup. Unless hes crocked. Then ignore this.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:18 am

CFC nails it. Its about luck/chance and how you cover it. I have no doubt that not covering cm when Marney got crocked got us relegated. We have seen brilliance all season as a team, from the Board and in particular from the manager. However, we have road our luck at cb with injuries up to now and it most likely won't make difference this season.To expect the same luck on injuries next season would be stupid.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:00 am

Will Ben Mee ever play for Burnley again?

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:05 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:No doubts we will need 4 CBs if we are in Europe, and who better to sign than Cahill?

Was very impressed with him last night. He has struggled at times this season but remains a class above Tarks, Mee and Long (as one would expect, being the captain of the champions and England regular).

Imagine what a player like that would do in Dyche’s framework? It may seem fanciful but he is probably on his way out of Chelsea and is there another route into Europe for him?

I've been thinking that too ever since he hasn't been a regular at Chelsea this season. Wouldn't that be brilliant if he came here.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:12 am

We've had quite a few serious injuries this season - Heaton, Brady, Defour, - and lesser ones - Wood, Tarkowski, Mee, Lowton, Ward - not forgetting some less key but important players - Arfield, Walters (who I was hopeful had a big part to play). Yes, we could have had a set of injuries like Palace, but despite these injuries of ours we are riding high. Quite incredible really. I have no complaints about recruitment policy.

By the way, where is Jimmy Dunne on the scale of things?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:30 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Im not disputing how well we have done and how good a manager dyche is bit we have had a lot of luck. Both with injuries and the seamless way we have replaced them. Showing the system and the manager is probably more important than individuals.

Its almost as careless as when we didnt sign a cm before marney got injured. Sometimes it affects you this time it didnt.

At 2m a place in the league and the even bigger cost of relegation, we should have two players in every position.

Run that by me again - we have had had loads of injuries yet the seamless way we have replaced them is lucky ?

Is that like Gary Player ? The more he practiced the luckier he got ?

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:44 am

burnley007 wrote:Will Ben Mee ever play for Burnley again?

Yes he is genuinely injured.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:16 am

As others have said it's not that simple finding someone who is good enough to step in when needed, but is happy to be a bench warmer. Maybe an experienced older head who is winding down their career and happy to be a squad player?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:47 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:No doubts we will need 4 CBs if we are in Europe, and who better to sign than Cahill?

Was very impressed with him last night. He has struggled at times this season but remains a class above Tarks, Mee and Long (as one would expect, being the captain of the champions and England regular).

Imagine what a player like that would do in Dyche’s framework? It may seem fanciful but he is probably on his way out of Chelsea and is there another route into Europe for him?

The one issue with Cahill is that his distribution isn't great, a bit like Mee. These days you need to have someone who can play a bit. Tarkowski is better in that respect. Stones isn't as good a defender but I doubt Guardiola would ever want a player like Cahill in his team.

You need both, so if we were to keep Mee would Cahill work for us?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:15 pm

TVC15 wrote:Run that by me again - we have had had loads of injuries yet the seamless way we have replaced them is lucky ?

Is that like Gary Player ? The more he practiced the luckier he got ?

You are being purposely obtuse.

Weve got 4 keepers. As it happens we didnt need them. But theres a reason we had 4

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:16 pm

jrgbfc wrote:As others have said it's not that simple finding someone who is good enough to step in when needed, but is happy to be a bench warmer. Maybe an experienced older head who is winding down their career and happy to be a squad player?

We aren't allowed those sorts of players, some on here take a real issue with it.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:05 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You are being purposely obtuse.

Weve got 4 keepers. As it happens we didnt need them. But theres a reason we had 4

You are being purposely negative which is easy with a large dose of hindsight.

We ended up with 4 keepers because Heaton got injured and 2 of these were free out of contract signings.

It’s been said many times that we tried signing a centre back but were not prepared to be ripped off. No point bringing in players who he deems are not good enough either.

Do you not think the season has worked out not too bad ?

To say we have been lucky with injuries is just stupid

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:05 pm

Can anyone really say we've been lucky with injuries?

Heaton, Defour, Brady, Wood, Lowton, Ward, Mee, Arfield , JBG have all missed games this season.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:22 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Calamitous? Really?

Long's game has come on leaps and bounds under Dyche.

Are you blaming him for the first goal last night? Pope was more at fault in my opinion.

It has but is he good enough at this level?