Rivers of blood..

[tim_noone]

On 5 what's been the outcome after 50 years.

[conyoviejo]

The country's phooked..

[ClaretMoffitt]

Well, there's certainly been no blood on our streets or integration problems with incompatible cultures that have totally different value systems, that's for sure.

[bartons baggage]

[quote="tim_noone"]On 5 what's been the outcome after 50 years.
Da rivers of blud run through da rivers of fam do ya get me blud? #Wengerout.

[tim_noone]

I think there as been a lot of blood letting amongst descendants of immigrants tbh the knife crime statistics don't lie.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I think there as been a lot of blood letting amongst descendants of immigrants tbh the knife crime statistics don't lie.

This is going to be a six pager and a 12 poster ban...

[tim_noone]

Well I was following the Stephen Lawrence case on TV this week and the alleged killers at the time were almost lynched by a mob fronted by the Brothers of Islam ....scary stuff not forgetting no one had been charged at the time... It was a trial by newspaper which is c'mon place now. Cliff Richards being the latest.

[fidelcastro]

Well I was following the Stephen Lawrence case on TV this week and the alleged killers at the time were almost lynched by a mob fronted by the Brothers of Islam ....scary stuff not forgetting no one had been charged at the time... It was a trial by newspaper which is c'mon place now. Cliff Richards being the latest.

Alleged killers!

[ClaretMoffitt]

This is going to be a six pager and a 12 poster ban...

More of a fizzle than a bang this one it seems!

[Sidney1st]

Alleged killers!

Tim specifically said "alleged killers at the time", ie before any court case.

It's a recurring theme on here that certain people don't understand that in regards to English law, or choose to ignore it.

[starting_11]

Tim specifically said "alleged killers at the time", ie before any court case.

It's a recurring theme on here that certain people don't understand that in regards to English law, or choose to ignore it.

There was me thinking that once you're named that means you dunnit!

On a serious note- 'Ar lass was on jury service the other week, it was a sexual assault crime. One of the jurors said that she saw the defendant getting into his car the previous day after court. The missus said "yeah so did I...". The other woman then said "Well, you wouldn't think they'd let rapists out when they're in court"

Needless to say the court accepted a 10/2 majority verdict, most of which were based on opinion, not fact.

[Imploding Turtle]

There was me thinking that once you're named that means you dunnit!

On a serious note- 'Ar lass was on jury service the other week, it was a sexual assault crime. One of the jurors said that she saw the defendant getting into his car the previous day after court. The missus said "yeah so did I...". The other woman then said "Well, you wouldn't think they'd let rapists out when they're in court"

Needless to say the court accepted a 10/2 majority verdict, most of which were based on opinion, not fact.

Was that before or after the defence was allowed to make their case? If before then that's probably prejudicial and good reason for the conviction to be vacated and a retrial ordered.
I'm not a lawyer though, so i might have made all that up.

[fidelcastro]

Tim specifically said "alleged killers at the time", ie before any court case.

It's a recurring theme on here that certain people don't understand that in regards to English law, or choose to ignore it.

They were alleged killers for a very long time... even though the whole world knew they were as guilty as sin.

I like the fact that what Tim Loon took from that documentary was not the fact that the whole case changed the face of policing in this country, and how cases were investigated, but the side story that there were protests from some obscurantist fringe group

[Stayingup]

Well I was following the Stephen Lawrence case on TV this week and the alleged killers at the time were almost lynched by a mob fronted by the Brothers of Islam ....scary stuff not forgetting no one had been charged at the time... It was a trial by newspaper which is c'mon place now. Cliff Richards being the latest.

I didn't watch the programme but is it true what the BBC kept saying that this murder changed a nation? I just couldn't follow that one.

[yTib]

powell was an old white man wanting to cling on to an old white way.

it was inevitable as technology and markets grew that the world was going to get smaller. it has always been this way.

people who hark back to enoch as some sort of soothsayer will cite all the negatives of multiculturism whilst ignoring all the positives, and especially ignoring the role of the british empire as a major catalyst of it.

[Erasmus]

The outcome after 50 years is that Enoch Powell completely misread the situation. There have been some problems with immigration but nothing that could reasonably be described as 'Rivers of Blood'. And as for the 'black man holding the whip hand over the white', Powell was so very, very wrong. He was a man who was brought up in the old imperial era and so didn't understand the modern world that was taking shape. I am old enough to remember Powell's speech and the horrible consequences for race relations. He was wrong and very misguided.

[ClaretMoffitt]

The outcome after 50 years is that Enoch Powell completely misread the situation. There have been some problems with immigration but nothing that could reasonably be described as 'Rivers of Blood'. And as for the 'black man holding the whip hand over the white', Powell was so very, very wrong. He was a man who was brought up in the old imperial era and so didn't understand the modern world that was taking shape. I am old enough to remember Powell's speech and the horrible consequences for race relations. He was wrong and very misguided.

You do realise he never actually said that (the whip hand thing) he was just quoting what one on his constituents had said to him.

[Sidney1st]

I didn't watch the programme but is it true what the BBC kept saying that this murder changed a nation? I just couldn't follow that one.

I think it highlighted an issue with the police, they handled it very badly, unsurprisingly and I'm sure they were accused of institutional racism etc.

[bobinho]

Maybe he was talking metaphorically? Easy to ignore that possibility when there's an agenda to be had.

We have PLENTY of issues stemming from race and incompatible cultures. Multicultural society? Don't make me laugh. Real life isn't like EastEnders and Coronation St you know, irrespective what the politicians will tell you!

The two main communities in this town, and the surrounding areas, don't really mix. Sure some of us have friends who are from these `other` communities, but massive cultural differences prevent true integration. Anyone who thinks we (and them) integrate are kidding themselves. I'd be surprised if we EVER see the society some people think we have now. Don't get me wrong, i'd like peace and harmony as much as the next man, but I think if we haven't managed it so far, we will struggle to change things now.

[yTib]

Maybe he was talking metaphorically? Easy to ignore that possibility when there's an agenda to be had.

We have PLENTY of issues stemming from race and incompatible cultures. Multicultural society? Don't make me laugh. Real life isn't like EastEnders and Coronation St you know, irrespective what the politicians will tell you!

The two main communities in this town, and the surrounding areas, don't really mix. Sure some of us have friends who are from these `other` communities, but massive cultural differences prevent true integration. Anyone who thinks we (and them) integrate are kidding themselves. I'd be surprised if we EVER see the society some people think we have now. Don't get me wrong, i'd like peace and harmony as much as the next man, but I think if we haven't managed it so far, we will struggle to change things now.

i was in a library in bradford a few years ago and there were these two asian lads on a computer near me. they were looking for a job.

one of them suddenly started kicking off because a job he was interested in asked for 'polish speakers only'. part of his rant included the phrase 'this is england'.

i realised then that although it will take time, the kind of ghettoisation we see in towns like bradford or burnley will subside.

[bfcjg]

I prefer Rivers of Babylon,much catchier.

[yTib]

I prefer Rivers of Babylon,much catchier.

oh god no. reminds me of working at honda in the nineties.

[Wile E Coyote]

its maybe a fault to take his speech out of context and regard the language used as inappropriate by modern standards .
That said, we have massive divisions in most major towns and cities, religious intolerance, huge cultural differences.
Terrorism, grooming gangs, disproportionate levels of criminality .
Older generations were made to accept changes without question.
People talk about tradition and identity, yet the fabric of what was once familiar to them was eradicated within a few short years.
London is awash with criminal gangs from all manner of communities, we have people trafficking to contend with and the colossal social problems that causes.
Most people would prefer it to be better by now, but it isn't.
Its not Trumpton out there, there are genuine problems the length and breadth of the country.

[yTib]

Terrorism, grooming gangs, disproportionate levels of criminality .

i think i can read between the lines.

you attribute these problems to immigration, yes?

[yTib]

or should that be immigrants?

[Devils_Advocate]

He's got a point though just think about all those Irish immigrants who came across the water and started touching up our choirboys

[tiger76]

i was in a library in bradford a few years ago and there were these two asian lads on a computer near me. they were looking for a job.

one of them suddenly started kicking off because a job he was interested in asked for 'polish speakers only'. part of his rant included the phrase 'this is england'.

i realised then that although it will take time, the kind of ghettoisation we see in towns like bradford or burnley will subside.

Is that strictly legal to restrict applications to speakers of only one language,of course there could be valid reasons for these criteria.

[yTib]

Is that strictly legal to restrict applications to speakers of only one language,of course there could be valid reasons for these criteria.

i suspect in certain jobs there are language-specific criteria but i didn't enquire about the specifics.

[bartons baggage]

We can all turn a blind eye,but the fact is multiculturalism has failed.
Owd Enoch saw the writing on the wall.

[yTib]

you are a direct product of multiculturism.

if you don't believe me do a dna test.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/dna/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Wile E Coyote]

you are a direct product of multiculturism.

if you don't believe me do a dna test.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/dna/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

irrelevant and you should know it, we have passports and border controls , try swanning in to any country of your choosing thesedays and asking them to check your link. see how far it takes you.
the post was about the speech, not some insipid nursery school version of norsemen and africans.

[bfcjg]

I'm a blood donar and I keep getting reminders about appointments and how stocks are low especially at winter they'd love Enochs vision of blood for all.

[mdd2]

Most of it has little to do with DNA but who and what is said in the pulpit, mosque, temple.