Ampadu tribunal result

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:02 am

Chelsea signed Ethan Ampadu from Exeter last summer. He was still short of his 17th birthday at the time but Exeter felt they should get more money for him than Chelsea offered so it went to a tribunal.

The player has already gone on to make his Premier League debut, albeit for under a quarter of an hour in one game, and has also played in three FA Cup ties for Chelsea. He'd previously made 8 League Two appearances for Exeter.

The tribunal said Chelsea must pay

£850,000 - initial compensation feel
Plus
£450,000 - based on having played five games for Chelsea and winning a full international cap
Plus
£250,000 - when he's played 10,20,30, 40, 50 games for Chelsea
Plus
20% sell on clause

So, all in all, Exeter will get no more than £2,300,000 and that's if he becomes an international and plays over 50 games for Chelsea.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:05 am

Not a lot of money for Chelsea but a bit of a windfall for Exeter I would imagine.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:10 am

Have Liverpool paid for Danny Ings yet?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:11 am

Good result for Exeter I'm assuming?
I don't know what they were offered originally.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:15 am

CleggHall wrote:Have Liverpool paid for Danny Ings yet?

Tribunal's still deciding.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:15 am

At the age he moved, they would not be able to demonstrate that they 'created a super footballer. Development at 17 is embryonic.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:17 am

CleggHall wrote:Have Liverpool paid for Danny Ings yet?

I'm assuming there should have been a smiley on there given it was dealt with over two years ago

Sidney1st wrote:Good result for Exeter I'm assuming?

I think it's anything but a good result for them to be honest

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:18 am

CleggHall wrote:Have Liverpool paid for Danny Ings yet?

I'm guessing some of those payments were appearance based...

He's far to injury prone to hit those.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:20 am

If chelsea sold him for 25 million theyd get another 5m. So its not strictly true they will only get 2.5m

Its wrong how clubs can just poach kids but I dont know what the solution is. Theirs a kid derby released who cant play for another pro club because the minute he does said club even if league 2 will have to pay derby an enourmous sum of money (relatively speaking) so nobody will take a chance on him.

The FA need to do something to stop instances like that. But clubs dont care once theyve deemed a kid not good enough.

Perhaps their should be a limit on number of players. Or centralised contracts for young english kids with an nba system of drafting kids in, i dont know.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:22 am

Sidney1st wrote:I'm guessing some of those payments were appearance based...

He's far to injury prone to hit those.

Firstly, I was incorrect in suggesting it was dealt with over two years ago - it will be two years next Saturday.

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:22 am

The kid from Derby keeps moving clubs every other year from what I've read, Derby paid a fee for him I think?

Yet the club is apparently at fault for protecting themselves.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:23 am

It works both ways doesn’t it?

Clubs can happily bin players off yet cry when bigger clubs take them.

Potentially £2m for someone who’s played 8 times in League 2 is fantastic surely?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:26 am

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co ... l/41839083" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The kid who's stuck in limbo after Derby, here's the article about him.
Derby were his 4th club.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:28 am

Sidney1st wrote:The kid from Derby keeps moving clubs every other year from what I've read, Derby paid a fee for him I think?

Yet the club is apparently at fault for protecting themselves.

As i say its a didficult one. Not sure how youd best manage that. But at the end of the day hes a kid and should be able to move on freely.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:31 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:As i say its a didficult one. Not sure how youd best manage that. But at the end of the day hes a kid and should be able to move on freely.

See my link just above your comment.

He was at Derby two years and binned them off, like he did his previous 3 clubs.
He's been at some good academies but he's possibly getting bad advice from his family or someone else.

All Derby are doing is protecting their outlay, which at just over £100k doesn't sound like much really.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:34 am

I understand that. But the lads a kid. Or was. Regardless of what the club have invested (and perhaps they shouldve known after 3 previous moves) hes a kid. He should be allowed to go where he wants. Personally think it stinks that they can effectiveky end his future career. While i understand theyve spent money on him you win some you lose some.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:36 am

Maybe they thought he'd settle down, he must have something about him.

Maybe his parents need to stop moving him around, because Villa and Derby have a rep for giving young players a chance yet he's stated he didn't feel his career was progressing at the rate he wanted it.

Whilst I do feel some sympathy for him, it's a situation that he's helped make.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:41 am

Ok. Anyway its sunny.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:42 am

You can’t really say it’s a good or bad deal for Exeter until Chelsea sell him. But I would say a few million quid for somebody unproven who may or may not make it with a 20% protection if he does in an ever inflating market is a pretty good deal. The only pitfall if he is any good is he plays his entire career at Chelsea but how often does that happen?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:43 am

ClaretTony wrote: 20% sell on clause

This bit could easily end up being the biggest payout in a few seasons.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:45 am

I think the truth of it might be in why he wasn't able to just keep plugging away at Derby after a move failed

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Chelsea signed Ethan Ampadu from Exeter last summer. He was still short of his 17th birthday at the time but Exeter felt they should get more money for him than Chelsea offered so it went to a tribunal.

The player has already gone on to make his Premier League debut, albeit for under a quarter of an hour in one game, and has also played in three FA Cup ties for Chelsea. He'd previously made 8 League Two appearances for Exeter.

The tribunal said Chelsea must pay

£850,000 - initial compensation feel
Plus
£450,000 - based on having played five games for Chelsea and winning a full international cap
Plus
£250,000 - when he's played 10,20,30, 40, 50 games for Chelsea
Plus
20% sell on clause

So, all in all, Exeter will get no more than £2,300,000 and that's if he becomes an international and plays over 50 games for Chelsea.

So £850 +£450=1300
5x250=£1250
Total £2,550,000 if my maths is correct

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:10 pm

Similar to the John Cofie deal? we got £1M for him didn't we? turned out to be a bag of crap and now plays in Ireland for Derry

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:21 pm

KRBFC wrote:Similar to the John Cofie deal? we got £1M for him didn't we? turned out to be a bag of crap and now plays in Ireland for Derry

Not really. He was 14 when he went to United. He turned out to have very bad injuries that have damaged his career.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:21 pm

mdd2 wrote:So £850 +£450=1300
5x250=£1250
Total £2,550,000 if my maths is correct

Ha ha - you wouldn’t think I’m a mathematician.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Not really. He was 14 when he went to United. He turned out to have very bad injuries that have damaged his career.

Where did we actually get him from? Wikipedia says he arrived in 2007 but joined United in 2007. 11 career goals in 8 years for him, I wonder how good he actually looked for us to persuade all the big boys to take interest.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:Where did we actually get him from? Wikipedia says he arrived in 2007 but joined United in 2007. 11 career goals in 8 years for him, I wonder how good he actually looked for us to persuade all the big boys to take interest.

He was spotted in Germany, his dad was on an army base there. Once he was at Burnley, we didn't persuade the big boys to take an interest. We fought tooth and nail to keep him but his dad was pushing him towards Liverpool mainly although it was United he finished up. But for the back injury, who knows how good he might have been.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He was spotted in Germany, his dad was on an army base there. Once he was at Burnley, we didn't persuade the big boys to take an interest. We fought tooth and nail to keep him but his dad was pushing him towards Liverpool mainly although it was United he finished up. But for the back injury, who knows how good he might have been.

I didn't say we persuaded the big boys to take an interest, I meant I wonder how good he was for us that made the big boys take interest.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:I didn't say we persuaded the big boys to take an interest, I meant I wonder how good he was for us that made the big boys take interest.

You said: "I wonder how good he actually looked for us to persuade all the big boys to take interest."

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You said: "I wonder how good he actually looked for us to persuade all the big boys to take interest."

Yeah I think it's bad punctuation because I type like I'd say it. It should read.....

"I wonder how good he actually looked for us, to persuade all the big boys to take interest."

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:36 pm

What with poor maths and lack of punctuation, is it any wonder the Country is in a mess.

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