Stephen Lawrence Day..

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:27 pm

There will be commemoration day annually on 22 April.

I wonder how that one will fly on here [and everywhere..

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Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:31 pm

It just seems never ending this.

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:31 pm

Lest we forget.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:36 pm

The victory over institutionalised racism can’t possibly be downplayed here.

Many good people deserve to recognised to the changes they have brought about by the resolution (partial) of this whole despicable saga.

It should also serve as a point of reference that no one should be killed because of the warped views of another.

We’re all the same underneath and we all live on the same planet and we all deserve to go out of this life as we wish, not someone else’s.

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Blackrod wrote:It just seems never ending this.

That is spot on for the Lawrence family and all his friends. 25 years is nothing in such circumstances.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:42 pm

Rest in Peace Stephen Lawrence.

Murdered by racists, let down by racist cops.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:22 pm

A mate sent me a screen shot of this news, but I thought it was a wind up. Just seen this news first hand on the BBC app. No mention of the St George’s day celebrations?

Sadly Stephen Lawrence isn’t the only person to have been murdered by racists. Does every one of them get a “day”? How about Lee Rigby?

Whilst it’s tragic and shameful that people are murdered because of the colour of their skin, I think this is something that has been taken a little too far.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:24 pm

Good time to make this announcement in view of the Windrush criticism last week.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:30 pm

Never enough times you can remind white, middle aged and old people that the country has changed, and you can have as many votes as you like, but those times where you could do what the hell you wanted to people who were not white are not, and never will, come back.

Its time for you lot to deal with it, rather than moaning about it to be perfectly honest. You'll all feel a lot better.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:36 pm

What sort of bloke is your mate bobinho?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:38 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Never enough times you can remind white, middle aged and old people that the country has changed, and you can have as many votes as you like, but those times where you could do what the hell you wanted to people who were not white are not, and never will, come back.

Its time for you lot to deal with it, rather than moaning about it to be perfectly honest. You'll all feel a lot better.

oh no, heaven forbid middle aged white people have valid opinions anymore, forget them,
let the young people who know it all ride roughshod over everything, cos they always know best dont they.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:40 pm

Why has the same prominence not been given to Kriss Donald. The 15 year old abducted by a gang of racist Asians?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 23545.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kriss Donald remembrance day? No

Drummer Lee Rigby remembrance day? No

Stephen Lawrence remembrance day? Yes

Instititutional, anglophobic racism.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:45 pm

oh no, heaven forbid middle aged white people have valid opinions anymore, forget them,
let the young people who know it all ride roughshod over everything, cos they always know best dont they.

Sure, if you can tell me what valid reason you would have for not being in favour of a Stephen Lawrence day?

Whether you like it or not, the murder of Stephen Lawrence highlighted lots of issues that white people don't really like dealing with. Its a sign of our progress as a multi-cultural nation that we can have days like this.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:45 pm

Nobody should be murdered due to skin colour or be treated differently because of it by cops. I don't think anyone in their right mind would agree with that ( including white middle class middle aged Daily Mail readers FFS). The point is we can't have a day for everything otherwise it just undermines it a bit like the applause every week at Turf Moor.

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:47 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Sure, if you can tell me what valid opinion you would have for not being in favour of a Stephen Lawrence day?

The fact that he's one of many who have been murdered. So the "valid opinion" would be if he has one, the many others should also have one.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:49 pm

Virtue signalling nonsense.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:50 pm

Blackrod, tick
Ringo, tick
Claretandy, tick

And it only took 16 posts.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:51 pm

Though I broadly agree with that Blackrod, its a pretty important day because of the issues it highlighted.

walter the softy · Post by **walter the softy** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Never enough times you can remind white, middle aged and old people that the country has changed, and you can have as many votes as you like, but those times where you could do what the hell you wanted to people who were not white are not, and never will, come back.

Its time for you lot to deal with it, rather than moaning about it to be perfectly honest. You'll all feel a lot better.

Normally tend to agree with your posts LC and am generally happy to be thought of as a liberal do-gooder or whatever and I am also glad that the country has changed but I am not sure that it merits having its own day no matter how much the Lawrence family have suffered.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:58 pm

I think the events, the court case and the overall failures in pretty much everything make it stand out, but that is only my opinion Walter.

In an ideal world, we'd remember all the people mentioned on this thread for all the right reasons, but sometimes you do need a permanent reminder of what happens when the whole system fails.

Otherwise they will just happen again.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:03 pm

I'm just highlighting a point ...
From 19th April alone .. 19th Bicylcle Day 20th Cannabis Day 21st Day of Silence 22nd Earth Day 23rd St George's 23rd World Book Day 24th Fashion Revolution Day 24th International Sculpture Day 24th Armenian Genocide Day 25th Parental Alienation Day 25th Anzac Day 25th World Malaria Day 26th International Propery Day

Clearly some days are very important e.g. Anzacs so we shouldn't have dilute the importance by having a Day for everything.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:13 pm

I listened to a story a few days ago on the radio (5 live or BBC r4) about Lawrence's friend (Dwayne Brooks) who witnessed his murder.
He still struggles to talk about it 25 years later. It ruined his life too. Shocking that this went on such a short time ago

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:15 pm

14 blackrod...

' including white middle class middle aged Daily Mail readers FFS)..'

No No No...definitely not including them.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:17 pm

I think 26th is Intellectual Property Day.

I had hoped to find that the misspelling meant that it was International Popery day, and we could all dress up with a pointed hat, tell people not to use condoms and invade small African countries to better our wealth, but perhaps there'll be one of those next year.

spadesclaret · Post by **spadesclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Never enough times you can remind white, middle aged and old people that the country has changed, and you can have as many votes as you like, but those times where you could do what the hell you wanted to people who were not white are not, and never will, come back.

Its time for you lot to deal with it, rather than moaning about it to be perfectly honest. You'll all feel a lot better.

This post is a bit naughty, Lancaster. Try to be a little less general. I, for one old person, am delighted that there is to be a Stephen Lawrence day.

BTW, you are still MKISA

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:25 pm

I apologise to those of the elder generation who have moved with the times Spades!

Crikey, I'm not so far off that generation myself!

Burnleybabe · Post by **Burnleybabe** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:27 pm

Why????

No Personally I think it is pathetic.
Far more people have been Murdered through all type of appearance/ gender reasons and do not have a day.

It is political correctness gone mad.

Happy St Georges Day

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:30 pm

Some of the comments on this thread are every bit as depressing as I thought they'd be.

spadesclaret · Post by **spadesclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:32 pm

Burnleybabe wrote:Why????

No Personally I think it is pathetic.
Far more people have been Murdered through all type of appearance/ gender reasons and do not have a day.

Stephen Lawrence Day will be a time to reflect on and remember those people.

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:33 pm

Nobody has given a decent reply. If we have a Stephen Lawrence Day then what about the rest? You have a 'Day' because it's unique. This isn't. Many black people have been murdered, so what about them?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:39 pm

As dreadful as the Lawrence murder was, I wonder if decisions like this create division rather than bring us closer together

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:41 pm

Reply 4 was very good to be fair.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:42 pm

DustyBawls wrote:Nobody has given a decent reply. If we have a Stephen Lawrence Day then what about the rest? You have a 'Day' because it's unique. This isn't. Many black people have been murdered, so what about them?

This case, more than any other, highlighted the ingrained racism of a sad, young sector of society and the racism of a public body acting to protect the perpetrators.
It is right that there should be a day to remember all innocent victims of violent crime. Especially those singled out for their race, religion, sexual orientation, fashion etc., If they want to put Stephen Lawrences name to that day then that is fine by me.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:44 pm

Well said Piston Broke

DustyBawls · Post by **DustyBawls** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Well said Piston Broke

You know you can disagree with me, without hiding behind other posters. Stop blowing smoke up people's backside.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:00 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:What sort of bloke is your mate bobinho?

He's a top quality individual. Been weighed and measured many times in many different theatres of conflict all over the world, and never has he been found wanting. He has put himself at great personal risk many times to protect those who were in need of it, irrespective of who they were or where they were, what their beliefs were or what colour their skin was. He's a man I would trust implicitly, and a man I know someone in need could depend on.

He brought something to my attention, and asked the same questions I would have, and have done on here.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:12 pm

Dusty, you've (apparently!) only been posting for a few days.

I have no clue if I can argue with you or not. Piston summed it up pretty well to be fair, as did claret engineer in post 4.

I just happen to agree with them.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dusty, you've (apparently!) only been posting for a few days.

I have no clue if I can argue with you or not. Piston summed it up pretty well to be fair, as did claret engineer in post 4.

I just happen to agree with them.

Why do you want to argue?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:33 pm

One major point that has been missed by some members of this board is that Stephen Lawrence was not only murdered because he was black but some of the Met police went to great lengths to help his killers escape justice.

Can the same be said of the murder of Lee Rigby, for example?

That's why it was so shocking.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:33 pm

DustyBawls wrote:Nobody has given a decent reply. If we have a Stephen Lawrence Day then what about the rest? You have a 'Day' because it's unique. This isn't. Many black people have been murdered, so what about them?

So your rationale is that because many other black people have been murdered then we should not have a Stephen Lawrence Day ?

Is that the rules about a "day" ? It needs to be unique ? Where exactly do you get that from ?

What happened to Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment for racism in this country. Yes there have been other watershed moments and yes there have been other black people murdered by racists (and white people murdered by racists).....they may be deserving of their own days also and they may get them should somebody decide to campaign for this. I'm sure they would not be rejected for not being unique.

None of this means that Stephen Lawrence Day should not happen.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:36 pm

Whilst the murder of Stephen Lawrence was abhorrent, having a day in his name is not the answer. The girl in Bacup murdered for being a goth doesn’t get a National day. A poster has said is it to remind us of the failures of the police and there past institutionalised rascism but if that is the case why don’t we have a victim of organised grooming gangs day to highlight the failures of those that work in position of power in local councils who for many years ignored the cries of those poor girls for fear of being labelled rascist.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:41 pm

TVC15 wrote:So your rationale is that because many other black people have been murdered then we should not have a Stephen Lawrence Day ?

Is that the rules about a "day" ? It needs to be unique ? Where exactly do you get that from ?

What happened to Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment for racism in this country. Yes there have been other watershed moments and yes there have been other black people murdered by racists (and white people murdered by racists).....they may be deserving of their own days also and they may get them should somebody decide to campaign for this. I'm sure they would not be rejected for not being unique.

None of this means that Stephen Lawrence Day should not happen.

It's about political correctness and looking good to the world nothing more nothing less.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:48 pm

Is a Stephen Lawrence day going to negatively affect anyone in the slightest?
I'm sure Tesco won't be shut or anything.
What's all the fuss about?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:48 pm

tim_noone wrote:It's about political correctness and looking good to the world nothing more nothing less.

Ok that's one view.
Why exactly would we want to "look good to the world" ?

It`s more about recognising the horrific mistakes that have been made in the past and that institutions like the police have changed massively to try and drive out the institutional racism that they themselves admit existed.

To say its about PC and looking good to the world suggests its artificial tokenism - and personally I cannot see any evidence of that.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:52 pm

It is artificial tokenism as you put it.imo.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:54 pm

tim_noone wrote:It is artificial tokenism as you put it.imo.

If it was it would suggest that the police is still institutionally racist and improvements have not been made at all since his death. Is that also what you think ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:59 pm

TVC15 wrote:If it was it would suggest that the police is still institutionally racist and improvements have not been made at all since his death. Is that also what you think ?

Give up and stop feeding the troll.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:01 pm

Racists are gonna absolutely hate this.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:06 pm

TVC15 wrote:If it was it would suggest that the police is still institutionally racist and improvements have not been made at all since his death. Is that also what you think ?

A mr Ebrahani an Iranian immigrant was murdered in Bristol and his body set on fire after complaining of racist abuse and hostility towards himself.the police decided to arrest HIM on the say so of the mob.his treatment by the police was absolutely disgusting both male and female.he was released without charge. Then murdered.2013 so yes that's what I think.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:08 pm

Check out 'The Sun' and the 'Daily Mail' tomorrow..that could illuminate your day.

Gonna watch Newsnight later on and see who they've dragged out to criticise this announcement.

Right I'm opening a book on who the racist mouthpiece might be...

- any offers?