Cheating John McGinley

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:12 pm

https://youtu.be/FVWMNCWd6mg

Remember this like it was yesterday. Still haven’t forgiven him!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:13 pm

martin_p wrote:https://youtu.be/FVWMNCWd6mg

Remember this like it was yesterday. Still haven’t forgiven him!

I don't think they've forgiven the player who started the problems that afternoon - the one they successfully sued.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:14 pm

Big bad John

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I don't think they've forgiven the player who started the problems that afternoon - the one they successfully sued.

Now you see, I had forgotten about that!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:43 pm

I'll never forget of forgive. It doesn't actually show the cheat does it? I assume it is the one that he didn't give the ball back to us from a throw in and they got the equaliser. Had we won would we have stayed up? They ragged another 2 points off us on the last game of the season as well, a 90th minute equaliser. I hated them that season, those 4 points would definitely have made us safe

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:46 pm

houseboy wrote:I'll never forget of forgive. It doesn't actually show the cheat does it? I assume it is the one that he didn't give the ball back to us from a throw in and they got the equaliser. Had we won would we have stayed up? They ragged another 2 points off us on the last game of the season as well, a 90th minute equaliser. I hated them that season, those 4 points would definitely have made us safe

But we are light years ahead of them now

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:59 pm

One of the few times I have wanted to run onto the pitch and twohat a player.

I was livid, I have to say.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:18 pm

tim_noone wrote:But we are light years ahead of them now

10 light years you will find.
UTC

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:24 pm

houseboy wrote:I'll never forget of forgive. It doesn't actually show the cheat does it? I assume it is the one that he didn't give the ball back to us from a throw in and they got the equaliser. Had we won would we have stayed up? They ragged another 2 points off us on the last game of the season as well, a 90th minute equaliser. I hated them that season, those 4 points would definitely have made us safe

Given we were 9 points from safety, they wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. Nicky Spooner is now the youth team coach at Bolton.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:11 am

Funkydrummer wrote:One of the few times I have wanted to run onto the pitch and twohat a player.

I was livid, I have to say.

You and the rest of us !!!

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:29 am

ClaretTony wrote:Given we were 9 points from safety, they wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. Nicky Spooner is now the youth team coach at Bolton.

All correct but at the time we were looking for our first win and it could have made such a difference to confidence.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:31 am

Thanks, not seen those goals for many many years. If only Jimmy Mullen had played John Deary more that season...

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:38 am

ClaretTony wrote:I don't think they've forgiven the player who started the problems that afternoon - the one they successfully sued.

It must be very rare for someone to be successfully sued for what they do on a football pitch.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:05 am

Am I right in thinking it was Bruce Rioch who told them not to return the ball?

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:10 am

It drove me mad at the time but now I can forgive and forget. The world has moved on and they no longer matter.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:11 am

Wots DR Cox dun!?!?!?!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:14 am

Bit o/t but ...Never been more scared coming off a match as at the old Burnden Park in 1988
when driving off that car park next to that supermarket they had. Their fans were
smashing car windows in all down the queue if they saw Clarets colours.

Frightening.

BertiesBeehole · Post by **BertiesBeehole** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:19 am

That was my first ever game at the Turf!

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:27 am

ClaretTony wrote:Given we were 9 points from safety, they wouldn't have made a scrap of difference. Nicky Spooner is now the youth team coach at Bolton.

Actually looking at the table again you are right (it was actually 8 points but goal difference probably makes it 9). I'd forgotten that at that time 4 teams were relegated.
Incidentally I'd not only forgotten about the 4 relegation places but the fact that there was only one automatic promotion place, champions.
Anyway good shout mate, you made me feel better, McGinley was still a cheating bar steward though.

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:36 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Bit o/t but ...Never been more scared coming off a match as at the old Burnden Park in 1988
when driving off that car park next to that supermarket they had. Their fans were
smashing car windows in all down the queue if they saw Clarets colours.

Frightening.

I remember stones and coins being thrown from their end on the terrace due to the gap being narrow between the opposing fans so much so that you couldn’t watch the game and then they finally opened up the corner terrace near the supermarket for people to go and watch the game in peace.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:36 am

It's funny how we're still mad about that. He took a throw in, we defended badly and gave a corner away. We defended that badly and eventually he scored. Shocking.

Whereas our player recklessly snapped their player's leg, finished his career and left us playing against 9 men. You can see why we're bitter about it.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:38 am

houseboy wrote:McGinley was still a cheating bar steward though.

As was the thug Gayle who ended a Bolton player's career earlier in the game

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:56 am

Wasn't it a six figure compensation sum. I heard a rumour back in around 2000 that the club actually had to pay Gayle's compensation has he was in our employment at the time of the inncident. It nearly stopped the transfer for I think it was Ian Cox such was Kilby's concern over the anticipated amount at the time

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:04 am

Assistant referees on opposite wings to normal. Don't see that very often nowadays

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:06 am

I remember an interview that John Gayle gave after the game. It went something like:

Reporter: There is a suggestion that you tried to deliberately hurt the player
BBJG: If I'd meant to do it, I'd have broken both his legs

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:08 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:Wasn't it a six figure compensation sum. I heard a rumour back in around 2000 that the club actually had to pay Gayle's compensation has he was in our employment at the time of the inncident. It nearly stopped the transfer for I think it was Ian Cox such was Kilby's concern over the anticipated amount at the time

I think the club would have been liable because he was working for us at the time and it happened whilst he was representing us. The damages were all but mocked by director Clive Holt. He said: ""You might say it's against Burnley Football Club because John Gayle was employed by Burnley Football Club at the time. But it's really an insurance company issue which does not affect the football club directly whatsoever. We might see a change in our premium next year as a result but the amount won't be significant."

Burnley eventually agreed to settle out of court at the 11th hour.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:10 am

dpinsussex wrote:Assistant referees on opposite wings to normal. Don't see that very often nowadays

Never sure when the rules changed but when I first started watching football the linesmen would run one wing in the first half and the other in the second half and would always swap sides of the ground. If I haven't explained that well, if linesman A was in front of the Bob Lord from half way to Jimmy Mac in the first half, he'd be in front of the Longside from half way to Jimmy Mac in the second half.

Then it changed and referees could choose whether they wanted the linesmen on the right wing or left wing - these days they always seem to be on the right wing.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:14 am

I like how the linesman signalled it was an indirect freekick for obstruction for their first goal.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:25 am

ClaretTony wrote:I think the club would have been liable because he was working for us at the time and it happened whilst he was representing us. The damages were all but mocked by director Clive Holt. He said: ""You might say it's against Burnley Football Club because John Gayle was employed by Burnley Football Club at the time. But it's really an insurance company issue which does not affect the football club directly whatsoever. We might see a change in our premium next year as a result but the amount won't be significant."

Burnley eventually agreed to settle out of court at the 11th hour.

With some challenges you see these days in football I wonder why there aren't more law suits flying around?
Or is it a case that it's so difficult to prove intent?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:29 am

Spijed wrote:With some challenges you see these days in football I wonder why there aren't more law suits flying around?
Or is it a case that it's so difficult to prove intent?

You don't see challenges like that these days in football

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:30 am

Yep remember that. Now is it true or an urban myth that McGinley went into hiding after some Clarets set fire to his garden shed?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:08 am

ClaretTony wrote:You don't see challenges like that these days in football

My sentiments entirely. Whatever happened to tackling in football? Has it been replaced as an art by spectacular diving?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:14 am

houseboy wrote:My sentiments entirely. Whatever happened to tackling in football? Has it been replaced as an art by spectacular diving?

Tackling is tackling, but we don't want to see the likes of what John Gayle did that day.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:22 am

ClaretTony wrote:Tackling is tackling, but we don't want to see the likes of what John Gayle did that day.

Imagine how the likes of Norman Hunter or Chopper Harris would have got on in the modern game.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:Tackling is tackling, but we don't want to see the likes of what John Gayle did that day.

Yes I have to agree with that. Tackling is one thing, GBH is completely different.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:26 am

It was very much out of order what he did and I remember being there that day and being absolutely incandescent, especially as we actually played well and were so close to getting that all important first win. However, when you see it again, Winstanley (and Davies) really should have cleared the danger tbh and we should have defended the resulting corner far better. If either of those things had happened we wouldn't ever have remembered the cheating two hat!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:30 am

Clicked on the thread to find out he's still alive is slightly disappointing it has to be said.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:34 am

Dark Cloud wrote:It was very much out of order what he did and I remember being there that day and being absolutely incandescent, especially as we actually played well and were so close to getting that all important first win. However, when you see it again, Winstanley (and Davies) really should have cleared the danger tbh and we should have defended the resulting corner far better. If either of those things had happened we wouldn't ever have remembered the cheating two hat!!

You're correct that we should have defended it better but I think they were all switched off expecting them to throw it to Vinnicombe, who'd dropped off into the FB spot. At 3m10s he throws it over Vinnicombes head to his own player but over throws it to Winstanley who messes up.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:45 am

Was furious at the time and I have a hearty disregard for Bolton but in retrospect that goal was down to rank bad defending; and in any case we deserved nothing as a result of Gayle’s thuggery.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:57 pm

claretabroad wrote:I remember an interview that John Gayle gave after the game. It went something like:

Reporter: There is a suggestion that you tried to deliberately hurt the player
BBJG: If I'd meant to do it, I'd have broken both his legs

Was going to post the same earlier, Gayle only received a yellow card from the referee.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:42 pm

I was on that game but don't remember that incident with Gayle. I was only 11 at the time, is there any footage of it? sounds horrendous

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:13 am

LordBob wrote:Yep remember that. Now is it true or an urban myth that McGinley went into hiding after some Clarets set fire to his garden shed?

Urban myth. My back garden butted up against his back ga4den in Horwich. I feel I would have noticed a shed burning

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:20 am

martin_p wrote:https://youtu.be/FVWMNCWd6mg

Remember this like it was yesterday. Still haven’t forgiven him!

That big fat get. He wants bleedin milkin

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:59 am

Considering all the fuss there is at times today regarding the placing of the ball at corner kicks it was refreshing to see the ball boy placing the ball in the quadrant and Eyresy just getting on with it. And we scored from the corner too.