FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:27 pm

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You just couldn’t make this **** up. There were no monkey chants.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:30 pm

Well well...what a surprise

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:35 pm

Whilst the booing was a bit sad when Jay Rod doesn't even play for us these claims have been made by Brighton fans by the looks of it. They really are an odious set of 'fans'.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:36 pm

There probably was a small section of the crowd making racist remarks.

Stacky_claret · Post by **Stacky_claret** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:38 pm

C&j did you hear any yourself ?

Stacky_claret · Post by **Stacky_claret** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:39 pm

I certainly didnt

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:39 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:There probably was a small section of the crowd making racist remarks.

Evide ce or just conjecture? Appalling comment if the latter.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:41 pm

How can you say probably ? Either you heard something or you didn't. I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would make racist comments. It wouldn't make sense. We've got black players in our own team.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:41 pm

Surely we have posters in the JHL who can tell us if that is true or not?

Mind you, we have posters on here telling us that Brighton fans sang "town full of p***s" so maybe honesty and self awareness isn't our strongpoint in this?

Just to avoid the usual abuse, I don't think the whole town is racist, but equally it would be daft not to think that some still are.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:41 pm

IanMcL wrote:Evide ce or just conjecture? Appalling comment if the latter.

Conjecture, but also just what some people said on twitter. Essentially majority of fans booing but some people heard the usual racist crap.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:49 pm

Trying to find the tweets in question, I have found a tweet about us singing "You're just a town full of benders" though. Sigh.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:51 pm

There is no doubt that that one was sung. Not by many, but by enough in the CF stand for us to hear it in the JHU. But only once though, and it soon died out.

But only a few though, and it would have been a lot more than that just a few years ago so there is progress

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:56 pm

Utter nonsense. All i could hear was booing..no remarks of any sort where i was in JHU and certainly no monkey chants. It is just more spurious bullsh*t by the Brighton fans to heap more evidence on their narrative. I have a real contempt for them after this weekend. Totally cretinous.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:05 am

Not good
Let’s wait for this to be investigated before we reach any conclusions though.
If this did happen then you would have thought that at least one of our fans in the area where this was alleged to have taken place would be in a position to confirm or otherwise.

If this is not proven to be correct then the Brighton fans making the claims should also be investigated for wasting police time and banned by BHA.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:05 am

I think most Brighton fans could start an argument in an empty room.
If ever a team had a set of fans with ideas above their station......

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:31 am

Investigate by all means but these claims have been suspiciously slow to arise. And it's hardly like Mr. Bong is slow about reporting any incident he believes may have heard to be "racist", no matter how inconsistent or unreliable his evidence is found to be.

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:31 am

TVC15 wrote:Not good
Let’s wait for this to be investigated before we reach any conclusions though.
If this did happen then you would have thought that at least one of our fans in the area where this was alleged to have taken place would be in a position to confirm or otherwise.

If this is not proven to be correct then the Brighton fans making the claims should also be investigated for wasting police time and banned by BHA.

Especially in the Bob Lord stand..as that is where it would have come from in the second half. I would be frankly stunned if anyone was allowed to get away with it in there. They would be reported and dragged out immediately.
The guy at Bradford that abused Mark Marshall was single out by many Burnley fans and the player himself before being ejected/arrested. This is the event that led to Andre tweeting about his own fans being racist. Not as Brighton fans think that we did it to our own player.

It smells of petty childishness. Not that i am surprised by that lot anymore.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:34 am

I like how you got the "smell" word in there...

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:40 am

tim_noone wrote:I like how you got the "smell" word in there...

No pun intended. Genuinely.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:35 am

We should not be deflected from our indigvatio , by falling into the 'get it Investigated' trap.
It was just booing!

There were insults coming from the B&HA crowd, so just another match.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:44 am

IanMcL wrote:We should not be deflected from our indigvatio , by falling into the 'get it Investigated' trap.

Oh if it were the FA who wanted to investigate I'd be up in arms, as it's just BHA then let them be. They can Secret Squirrel as long they want to.

I heard plenty of booing and nothing more. I've heard our fans were apparently singing homophobic songs at the BHA fans but also that this was prompted by them singing songs at our fans accusing us of racism. I'm saddened and dismayed by both these instances equally.

But none of this comes under the category of racist abuse aimed at Bong.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:49 am

He was lucky he didn't play for WBA!
BOOING, BONG, BAGGIE BAGGIE!

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:38 am

I understand that Burnley FC have asked Brighton to lauch an investigation into their selection of Mr Bong for this fixture, due to Mr Bong's implicit support for the repressive regime of the Cameroons Government. He had a choice as to represent France ( As he did in an age Group International ) but in 2009, chose to play Senior International Football for the Cameroons, where homosexuality is a criminal offence, punishable by prison terms of between 6 and 60 months.
The liberal minded folks of Burnley were clearly disgusted by the selection of this apologist for his Homophobic Country, and missed no opportunity to voice their displeasure on his appearance at Turf Moor. It is commonly held, that the German National team that gave the Nazi Salute in 1938 were all, at the very least " fully fledged followers of Hitler ", and it is to protect Mr Bong from such smears in future that we ask that he issues a strongly worded Statement on the steps on his National Parliament calling for the recognition of LBGT rights and the legalisation of such....

I know the above sounds ridiculous, but posters on " NSC ", the main Brighton Fans Forum, are suggesting that our Fans " Booed " because it is the closest sound that can be made to " Monkey chants " without being arrested... they are making great play that the accusations against Jay Rodrigues were found " Not Proven " as opposed to " Not Guilty ". They seem to be blissfully unaware that the Independent Tribunal, asked to arbitrate on the case, with the agreement of both parties, had only " Proven " or " Not Proven " as their options....

Personally, I didn't boo the player concerned.... but that's my choice, I didn't even boo Simon Garner....these things have a habit of coming back to haunt you !!

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:48 am

I booed Simon Garner. Didn’t go on Saturday so not proven against me for Pong

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:14 am

The oddest thing about the whole Bong accusation against Jay is that his on field reaction, at the point it was supposed to have occurred, is very muted and calm.

How many football racism claims have you see where the player simply and calmly informs the referee that his opponent has said something racist. It just doesn’t add up.

It all looks as though he took offence at the you stink thing, perceived that to be racist and then it all got out of hand very quickly and he simply couldn’t be seen to back down.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:14 am

I won't defend anyone who is an overt racist but surely if this is true, the player would have reported the incident to the referee as soon as it occured.

I thought there was a clear procedure for this already in place.

Heaton's Gloves · Post by **Heaton's Gloves** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:26 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Trying to find the tweets in question, I have found a tweet about us singing "You're just a town full of benders" though. Sigh.

It’s not right but I heard that being sang immediately after BHA fans sang town full of pa***s.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 am

Some of our fans seemed quite blasé about the affect an ‘unproven’ allegation of racism could have on Rodriguez and were mortified at the nasty booing.

Let’s see if they’re cool about damaging and false racism accusations now it’s them who’s under suspicion. ‘First they came for Jay Rod and I did not speak out...’

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:03 am

Heard plenty of booing but certainly no monkey chants. The Brighton supporters are acting like a bunch of whining school girls who really ought to grow some and grow up.
South Coast pounces, no bloody wonder they get called benders everywhere North of Horsham

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:17 am

So out of 19,000 people, only two people heard something other than booing, and neither of these were Bong, any other player or official from either club?

I’d like to know what heating aids these two individuals wear that has enabled them to appear to be the only ones that have heard these “chants” - I’d like to get some for my dad as the ones he has don’t work as well as these apparently do

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:21 am

Maybe krbfc reported the racist comments he claimed to hear?

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:26 am

I was in the centre section of JHL and definitely did not hear any monkey chants and wouldn't even say the booing was from a 'majority' of Burnley fans, quite a few but certainly not a majority out of circa 20k supporters.

However many were booing it's hardly the first time a player has been booed at a football match but to avoid any such allegations again I suggest booing is replaced with tutting and a shaking of heads.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:36 am

It's being blown up into something it never was. I heard the booing, mainly from the CFS, but there was never anything overtly racist about it. The BHA fans chanting about "a town full of racists" came from absolutely nowhere and now they're following it up with this. Bizarre.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:38 am

IanMcL wrote:Evide ce or just conjecture? Appalling comment if the latter.

What do you think the word "probably" means?

snapcrackleandpop · Post by **snapcrackleandpop** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:42 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:There probably was a small section of the crowd making racist remarks.

An assumption based on ?????

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:49 am

I was in the CFS:

I heard:
Plenty of booing when he touched the ball. I also heard a large section of the stand singing
"Your just a town full of benders" in reply to Brighton's " Your just a town full of racists".
This occurred every time Brighton sang it.

I did not hear:
Any monkey chants.
The Brighton fans singing "your just a town full of P*k*s"

In addition: The statement above applies to what I heard from anywhere inside the ground.

Plenty of Police and Stewards in our stand. I did not see anybody being spoken to or ejected.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:49 am

******* **** fans.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:02 am

If everything is racist then nothing is racist.

That is why Bong has made a huge error of judgement which made his aim of equal treatment much harder to achieve.

The original incident should have led to us all having sympathy for Bong, and probably we would have said that on pitch banter should be lessened because it can inadvertently cause offence. Now, because he wouldn’t let it go, even after Jay’s entirely plausible alternative explanation backed up by a lip reader and TV footage, much of the sympathy (and it won’t just be in Burnley) goes to Jay, and Bong gets ridiculed for putting a career at risk.

Now, they are starting a witch hunt against Burnley fans by claiming something was said which none of us appear to have heard. Honestly, whoever is in charge of media at BHA, as well as Hughton, need to take a good look at themselves because they aren’t winning many friends in the last couple of months.

EDIT: just to add, for clarity, I have seen Cubans quote from Kick It Out on the other thread and agree with every word, but none of these quotes refer to what Bong did AFTER the hearing, there is a massive distinction, as I say above.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:03 am

I was in the BL stand and definitely heard the Brighton fans singing "town full of p****". To be honest I thought they were actually singing "pi****" (travellers) but my wife corrected me, as their accent threw me a bit. I am amazed not many others heard it.
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ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:05 am

Siddo wrote:I was in the BL stand and definitely heard the Brighton fans singing "town full of p****". To be honest I thought they were actually singing "pi****" (travellers) but my wife corrected me, as their accent threw me a bit. I am amazed not many others heard it.
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I didn't but I really wish I did or I'd march to the club today to make an official complaint.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:09 am

This all incident is/was so bloody predictable I should have put my house on it.. Our lot booing Bong and them lot implying it was meant a million times worse than it was. Not a single player as been booed on Turf Moor for their colour or creed for as long as I can remember and our own supporters outed the single low life at Bradford a few years back.

Bong was booed because he as been involved in an highly publicised spat with a player some consider a local hero. This allegation was unproven.

IF the case against Jay had been proven and the Burnley crowd had booed Bong then we’d rightly have a question to answer. But that is simply not the case.

I personally think there is nothing wrong with anybody believing Jay when he said “I didn’t say it” obviously BHA fans and Chris Hughton do.

This whole affair is just totally unsavoury on all sides and BHA are playing a large part in that. But what you can expect is the gutter media and the likes of Adrian Durham who weren’t even there to blow this out of all proportion and if Burnley supporters defend our position we will be classed as racist..

Emelle · Post by **Emelle** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:29 am

I sit in the JMU so I didn't hear very much at all apart from the booing, which given the connection between Jay Rodriguez and Burnley Football Club, I expected would happen. As I did some work on Race Equality training I have a little insight in to the theory and basically -

"A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim, or any other person."

“The purpose of this definition is not to prejudge the question of whether a perpetrator’s motive was racist or not … (but) rather to ensure that investigations take full account of the possibility of a racist dimension to the incident”

This makes it clear that if Bong thought it was racist it was right that the incident should be (and was) investigated. If what I have read on here is correct, some of the language used by the BHA fans could also be percieved as racist and should also be investigated.

I feel this will rumble on for sometime yet!

blackburnturfite · Post by **blackburnturfite** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:31 am

I was in the CFS, and obviously heard the Booing, as a 72 year old male find childish and petty, okay Rodriguez has had some disagreement with this guy,as will happen in sport, i will honestly say i have never booed anyone ever, i will make my feelings known in other ways though, believe me, but monkey chants i never heard anything, and at the end of the match Bong was sarcastically applauding us and laughing at us in our direction, something i would not expect from any player, or any member of the public, who has received monkey chants, Houghton knows all about football or should do, like it or not it's part of football and fans, Duffy received some too,but that's football and life in general too. I live in Blackburn and know all about sarcasm, as a Clare,t and would never ask for a investigation.( PETTY YES)

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:42 am

Bong got booed because he made an accusation against one of our ex-players, a player so respected he features on our pre match heroes board. Jay Rod was accused of making a rascist comment which is a very serious accusation.
It was noticeable that no one at all booed there other very talented black player. Surely if we “were a town full of rascists” we would have booed him as well.
Not condoning the town full of benders chant but I am pretty certain if they hadn’t sung the town full of rascists chant that wouldn’t have been sung back. It is a bit like someone moaning that they have been punched after institigating it all along.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:44 am

I wasn’t at the game on Sat, so can’t comment on what was/wasn’t said.

However, in my experience Burnley fans do call each other out for unacceptable behaviour and have done for a long time.

It does strike me as odd that Brighton fans heard monkey chanting from a distance, but it’s nobody in the home ends did. It’s not like Burnley fans have overlooked the booing and homophobic chanting that went on last weekend. I’m sure if there’d been monkey chants, that would have been called out too.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:47 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Trying to find the tweets in question, I have found a tweet about us singing "You're just a town full of benders" though. Sigh.

Brighton has the highest per head of population of LGBT community in the UK , although I agree the word bender is not politically correct .

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:00 am

agreenwood wrote:It does strike me as odd that Brighton fans heard monkey chanting from a distance, but it’s nobody in the home ends did. It’s not like Burnley fans have overlooked the booing and homophobic chanting that went on last weekend. I’m sure if there’d been monkey chants, that would have been called out too.

As I mentioned earlier Krbfc was on this board Saturday night claiming he had heard racial abuse from the Burnley fans. Perhaps he has reported it?

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:01 am

I thought it was sticks and stones stuff, definitely heard the first chant from BHA fans "town full of racists" which I did think was out of order, then from the CFS the reply of "town full of b@@@ers" which made me smile in a playground way, of witnessing two groups saying my dads bigger than your dad. We have in the past booed ex Rovers players regardless of ethnicity, I understand why Bong got booed. I also remember giving Sterling an ear bashing for reasons that were not racially motivated. Funny old game some one once said......

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:10 am

I thought we were shouting 'Poo'

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:16 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:As I mentioned earlier Krbfc was on this board Saturday night claiming he had heard racial abuse from the Burnley fans. Perhaps he has reported it?

The thread disappeared but early on I thought said poster suggested there was racism in the JHL, presumably heard from the Bob Lord.