No ID no vote...

[SmudgetheClaret]

I wonder what part of "you need ID to vote" those moaning about being turned away didn't get ?

[aclaretinstevenage]

Didn't need ID to vote down here.

Name and address given to the official no problem. Been that way for years, must be a local problem?

[lucs86]

I didn't read my polling card, don't read local papers, wouldn't have known if I had to take my polling card or ID. Very easy to be caught out I'd say.

[ClaretAndJew]

I didn't need ID

[Damo]

Ridiculous that you have ever been able to vote without ID

[Spijed]

Didn't need ID to vote down here.

Name and address given to the official no problem. Been that way for years, must be a local problem?

No, they are just trialing it in certain areas.

[SmudgetheClaret]

It's just being piloted in certain areas I'm not sure it's a huge problem but postal votes now there's another question..

[nil_desperandum]

I didn't read my polling card, don't read local papers, wouldn't have known if I had to take my polling card or ID. Very easy to be caught out I'd say.

Added to that, some people genuinely have a problem proving who they are. Why do you think that the Home Secretary has just resigned?

[Clarets4me]

A trial system is being run in only 5 Local Authority areas, following recommendations from the Electoral Commission ... to vote, you need to bring a simple form of ID ( From a long-list ) to evaluate how this system might work in practice Country-wide...

To avoid controversy, the trials are being held in areas where there is little or no suspicion of voter fraud ... Tower Hamlets may have been a rather interesting trial area !!

[Imploding Turtle]

Ridiculous that you have ever been able to vote without ID

Why? What problem do you think exists without it? (aside from the problem of poor people voting)

[SmudgetheClaret]

From what I can gather things like bus pass or debit/credit card or utility bill council tax bill etc is accepted..

[Bordeauxclaret]

How many instances of voter fraud at the poll booths has there been?

[Clarets4me]

Added to that, some people genuinely have a problem proving who they are. Why do you think that the Home Secretary has just resigned?

They have no problem proving who they are, they have a problem proving they are entitled to either British Citizenship and/or the right to live in the UK legally, due to a combination of their own apathy or stupidity, and badly drafted legislation going back nearly 70 years....

[mdd2]

In our area there have been hundreds of folk with Russian accents turning uo to vote asking directions for the polling stations and we don't have elections this time. That tells you what a big problem we have with personation.
Last general election my paternal grandparents turned up to vote in Southsea where they were laid to rest in 1936 and 1940!!!!!

[tiger76]

Bromley,Gosport,Swindon,Watford and Woking are the 5 areas trialling voter ID.I don't know how vocal the local authorities have been in advertising this fact.I was aware of this scheme but not everyone will be as politically aware.

[Imploding Turtle]

From what I can gather things like bus pass or debit/credit card or utility bill council tax bill etc is accepted..

So, not ID then.

It's the start of the Conservative effort to reduce the non-Conservative vote through legislation. Republicans do the same in America. They find it hard to get minorities to vote for them, and they know that minorities and young voters are more likely to be poor, so they implement voter ID laws that require people to spend money to vote.

They also "save money" by closing polling places where these people live, work and study while avoiding the same cost-cutting closures where Republican voters live, work and study.

These kinds of laws aren't intended to prevent in-person voter fraud, which is a non-existant problem anyway, they're intended to prevent legitimate voters from voting. And we know this because we only need to read the news to see it happening elsewhere.

[Clarets4me]

Why? What problem do you think exists without it? (aside from the problem of poor people voting)

Things like this, for example, " IT "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/1 ... ry-office/

[CombatClaret]

Godwin's law in action

[lucs86]

I'm not against ID but not sure how necessary it is while the process is still administered with volunteers and pencils. Don't think there's a problem to solve really. Sounds like queues, people not bothering, lower turnout, vote suppression.

[SmudgetheClaret]

Not sure about minorities but I reckon most young un's simply can't be arsed, I remember when I was in a engineering union and when old enough was pretty much ordered to vote Labour.

[Damo]

Why? What problem do you think exists without it? (aside from the problem of poor people voting)

How does it stop poor people from voting?

[Damo]

How many instances of voter fraud at the poll booths has there been?

I'm not sure how anyone would know given there is no way to identify anyone who has a polling card

[Damo]

Godwin's law in action

But not poe's law thankfully

[Clarets4me]

So, not ID then.

It's the start of the Conservative effort to reduce the non-Conservative vote through legislation. Republicans do the same in America. They find it hard to get minorities to vote for them, and they know that minorities and young voters are more likely to be poor, so they implement voter ID laws that require people to spend money to vote.

They also "save money" by closing polling places where these people live, work and study while avoiding the same cost-cutting closures where Republican voters live, work and study.

These kinds of laws aren't intended to prevent in-person voter fraud, which is a non-existant problem anyway, they're intended to prevent legitimate voters from voting. And we know this because we only need to read the news to see it happening elsewhere.

The Labour leader has employed a woman with a past conviction for Voter Fraud !!

To follow your logic, minorities and the young are liable to be poor so they are more likely to be a recipient of some form of Benefits. To access the Benefits system, you need to prove your identity ! So what's the problem ? By and large, the 18 - 24 brigade can't be arsed, which is why the Labour party and the left in general, are now desperate to lower the voting age to 16 ..... if we can't get Adults to vote us in, then let's extend the vote to Children...

In terms of the Postal vote, the system needs ripping up and starting again, as this report from the Royal Commonwealth Society concluded back in 2010..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fraud.html

[Damo]

So, not ID then.

It's the start of the Conservative effort to reduce the non-Conservative vote through legislation. Republicans do the same in America. They find it hard to get minorities to vote for them, and they know that minorities and young voters are more likely to be poor, so they implement voter ID laws that require people to spend money to vote.

They also "save money" by closing polling places where these people live, work and study while avoiding the same cost-cutting closures where Republican voters live, work and study.

These kinds of laws aren't intended to prevent in-person voter fraud, which is a non-existant problem anyway, they're intended to prevent legitimate voters from voting. And we know this because we only need to read the news to see it happening elsewhere.

No, I'm fairly sure it's just a really easy way to stop people voting multiple times fraudiantly.
Given the forms of Id considered acceptable, I can't see why anyone has a problem with it.
Poor people usually have some kind of social security benefit. 99.9% of the country has a mobile phone. A bank account. A post office account. I can't see how anyone eligible to vote doesn't own one of the acceptable forms of Id. Perhaps you know better?

[IanMcL]

There have been odd occasions where certain groupings have tried to manipulate local votes. You can't go or not going? Ok....and off they trot to use that vote.

[dsr]

So, not ID then.

It's the start of the Conservative effort to reduce the non-Conservative vote through legislation. Republicans do the same in America. They find it hard to get minorities to vote for them, and they know that minorities and young voters are more likely to be poor, so they implement voter ID laws that require people to spend money to vote.

They also "save money" by closing polling places where these people live, work and study while avoiding the same cost-cutting closures where Republican voters live, work and study.

These kinds of laws aren't intended to prevent in-person voter fraud, which is a non-existant problem anyway, they're intended to prevent legitimate voters from voting. And we know this because we only need to read the news to see it happening elsewhere.

How do you mean, not ID? If you're asked to produce something that proves who you are, that's ID. There's no strict legal definition that says using a library card to prove your identity isn't an identity check.

In-person voter fraud isn't a non-existent problem. It happens. I have spoken to poll booth officials who have seen it happen. I don't think it's anything like the level of fraud and other electoral malpractice that goes on with postal voting, but it certainly happens. But it would make far more sense to severely restrict postal voting first, before moving on to the trivia.

[nil_desperandum]

Some very strange ideas of what proves your identity on here.
If I take my dad's gas bill to the polling booth with his address on, and his library card just for back-up, does it prove I am him?
Conversely, I could give my son virtually anything which has my name on and he could vote for me, providing - of course- that photo ID isn't required.

There is undoubtedly a small amount of voter fraud, but whilst we have the current pencil and paper system, it will be very difficult totally eradicate, and all the evidence suggests that it is not a significant problem. (i.e. not significant enough to require people to have to provide photographic proof).

[Lancasterclaret]

If you are going to be asked for ID to vote, then it should be compulsory to vote.

[starting_11]

If you are going to be asked for ID to vote, then it should be compulsory to vote.

Your mates gonna lose a few seats tonight?

[Burnley Ace]

All you should need is your polling card.

[Lancasterclaret]

Not a clue starting

I know one thing it won't be, and that is a labour landslide and it absolutely 100% should be.

[Damo]

Some very strange ideas of what proves your identity on here.
If I take my dad's gas bill to the polling booth with his address on, and his library card just for back-up, does it prove I am him?
Conversely, I could give my son virtually anything which has my name on and he could vote for me, providing - of course- that photo ID isn't required.

There is undoubtedly a small amount of voter fraud, but whilst we have the current pencil and paper system, it will be very difficult totally eradicate, and all the evidence suggests that it is not a significant problem. (i.e. not significant enough to require people to have to provide photographic proof).

That still doesn't answer why anyone would have an issue with providing Id.

[nil_desperandum]

All you should need is your polling card.

Providing it matches your DNA

[Damo]

If you are going to be asked for ID to vote, then it should be compulsory to vote.

Why?

[starting_11]

Not a clue starting

I know one thing it won't be, and that is a labour landslide and it absolutely 100% should be.

They should stain your thumb like in third world countries so they know you've been.

On a side note, it's been very hard to find a taxi today.

[Lancasterclaret]

Because there isn't a need for it, if you are going to demand ID for voting then you might as well force everyone to vote.

Its 0.00000065% of the vote that is iffy apparently

[skibum84]

I’m amazed you don’t already need to use ID to vote. Anyone could just walk in and use my vote.

And who are these people who are so poor they don’t have any ID? What do they do when they pick up an undelivered parcel from the sorting office?

[nil_desperandum]

That still doesn't answer why anyone would have an issue with providing Id.

No, but it shows that what has been introduced / piloted is almost pointless, and once that point is acknowledged then the next step will be to push for photographic ID.
Of course the simple solution would be ID cards. Labour proposed this when they were in power, but the Tories kicked it into touch. There are so many issues that it would help us to deal with (IMO).

[Damo]

Because there isn't a need for it, if you are going to demand ID for voting then you might as well force everyone to vote.

I don't get what the issue is with ID and how it equates to forcing people to vote.

Its 0.00000065% of the vote that is iffy apparently

How does anyone know if you don't need to identify yourself?

[nil_desperandum]

I’m amazed you don’t already need to use ID to vote. Anyone could just walk in and use my vote.

And who are these people who are so poor they don’t have any ID? What do they do when they pick up an undelivered parcel from the sorting office?

I've already covered this. They have to take a utility bill or something like that, but that doesn't prove who they are. I often pick up stuff for my dad. So that means I must be guilty of "Sorting Office Fraud".

[Clarets4me]

Because there isn't a need for it, if you are going to demand ID for voting then you might as well force everyone to vote.
Its 0.00000065% of the vote that is iffy apparently

Come, come now, Lancs, that would make us no better than Australians !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23810381

[boatshed bill]

I’m amazed you don’t already need to use ID to vote. Anyone could just walk in and use my vote.

And who are these people who are so poor they don’t have any ID? What do they do when they pick up an undelivered parcel from the sorting office?

The voting card ( from the electoral register) is as conclusive ID as a domestic bill.

[Rowls]

How many instances of voter fraud at the poll booths has there been?

This article from the Express gives a snapshot of how high voter fraud has become in certain areas.

164 allegations of voter fraud in London alone during 2014 elections.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/95348 ... fur-rahman" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[aggi]

This article from the Express gives a snapshot of how high voter fraud has become in certain areas.

164 allegations of voter fraud in London alone during 2014 elections.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/95348 ... fur-rahman" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So circa 0.0025%. Of which voter impersonation at the polls would be a fraction. Seems a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

[Rowls]

So circa 0.0025%. Of which voter impersonation at the polls would be a fraction. Seems a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

I don't know what "sledgehammer" you think having to prove you're not committing voter fraud is? In fact, that's just a stupid way of looking at it isn't it?

We all know that knife crime has risen steeply recently in London. Would you say that it needs tackling urgently? Or would you say that because only 0.0000062% of London's population has been killed by stabbing this year that it's not a problem?

The integrity of our democracy is key and you'll find that many people have a much more sensible viewpoint than yourself.

[Taffy on the wing]

Tory Bastards copying their racist Brothers in the Southern United States!......Fascists!

[Imploding Turtle]

Things like this, for example, " IT "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/1 ... ry-office/

And did we need voter ID to catch, charge, prosecute and convict her?

[Imploding Turtle]

The Labour leader has employed a woman with a past conviction for Voter Fraud !!

To follow your logic, minorities and the young are liable to be poor so they are more likely to be a recipient of some form of Benefits. To access the Benefits system, you need to prove your identity ! So what's the problem ? By and large, the 18 - 24 brigade can't be arsed, which is why the Labour party and the left in general, are now desperate to lower the voting age to 16 ..... if we can't get Adults to vote us in, then let's extend the vote to Children...

In terms of the Postal vote, the system needs ripping up and starting again, as this report from the Royal Commonwealth Society concluded back in 2010..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fraud.html

You've undercut your own argument.

You said young people can't be arsed to vote while at the same time complaining about trying to lower the voting age.

And the only people in the 18-24 age who vote are the politically engaged. That would be the exact same for 16 and 17 yr olds.

But a better argument is that 16 years old is legally old enough to make the decision to have a baby, so what is so much more difficult about deciding on which party to vote for that you feel means 16 year olds should be denied that right?

[Clarets4me]

You've undercut your own argument.

You said young people can't be arsed to vote while at the same time complaining about trying to lower the voting age.

And the only people in the 18-24 age who vote are the politically engaged. That would be the exact same for 16 and 17 yr olds.

But a better argument is that 16 years old is legally old enough to make the decision to have a baby, so what is so much more difficult about deciding on which party to vote for that you feel means 16 year olds should be denied that right?

A 16 year old cannot marry without parental permission, form a legally binding contract, buy cigarettes or alcohol, drive a car, watch certain types of film at the Cinema, and amongst a plethora of other things, enjoys legal protections from sexual contact by people above a certain age and occupation in view of their " vulnerability to influence and control " ...

When I'm in need of guidance and sound advice about life, a 16 year old is hardly the first person I'd consult !

In common with many on the left, you seem very keen on peoples " Rights ", whilst nary a word is heard about their " Responsibilities " ...