Bellew v Haye

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat May 05, 2018 8:42 pm

Right_winger wrote:I disagree I’d say they were a much a muchness. Slow lumbering strong men with limited boxing acumen. Joshua has better whiskers where as Bruno had the engine.

Bruno took the game to Lewis but that’s it still got stomped on the 7th. Bruno also hurt Tyson aswell.

As a side note the post Rahman Lewis was and still is the best ever heavyweight there has been bar none. He had everything.

the best ever?

i think not.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:12 pm

yTib wrote:the best ever?

i think not.

Who do you think beats that version of Lewis then?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:18 pm

not found a decent stream yet

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:22 pm

Right_winger wrote:Who do you think beats that version of Lewis then?

joe louis and muhammad ali for a start.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:47 pm

yTib wrote:joe louis and muhammad ali for a start.

Lewis was too big and powerful for both.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:48 pm

Right_winger wrote:Lewis was too big and powerful for both.

as big and powerful as george foreman.

Always a fan · Post by **Always a fan** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:55 pm

Any links?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:56 pm

yTib wrote:as big and powerful as george foreman.

Yes he’s bigger than George foreman with a much longer reach ( very good tool in boxing ) and a much better skill set.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:05 pm

he was bigger but my point is that big, powerful heavyweights aren't necessarily the best.

i think you would struggle to get many people to agree with you that lewis is the all time greatest.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:49 pm

Haye ahead but early days.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:52 pm

Haye down twice in 3rd!
Saved by Bell!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:53 pm

Right leg gone again!!!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:54 pm

Hanging by a thread...

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:55 pm

Bellew looking very good

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:56 pm

No way is this lasting 12 rounds.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:56 pm

Haye just standing end of round.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:57 pm

Round 5...

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:59 pm

Haye flattened again...

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 10:59 pm

Stopped by ref.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:00 pm

Haye richer but finished as a boxer.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:01 pm

All friends. Thanks for the payday, they both say!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:02 pm

Comical from Haye.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:04 pm

Gutted for Haye.

He just doesn't have it anymore sadly.

But fair play to Bellew, tactically spot on and was the superior fighter.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:07 pm

Farce of a fight really. Haye was a shell of himself in there again. So glad I didn’t pay to watch it

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:08 pm

Best mates again.
Who saw that coming.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:12 pm

Haye now saying he wants the best out of five. Can't fault him.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:21 pm

Right_winger wrote:Bellew ain’t no heavyweight. If David Haye comes in injury free and his timing is up to scratch he should
Be able to blow Bellew out early.

A prime and fit David Haye stops any of today’s heavyweights inside 3 the key factor being fit.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:22 pm

**** man, Bellew is talking some seriously dark stuff.

Bit worried about this lad.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:32 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Haye now saying he wants the best out of five. Can't fault him.

Crikey.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat May 05, 2018 11:57 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:**** man, Bellew is talking some seriously dark stuff.

Bit worried about this lad.

Being someone who’s watched every top fight in the country for the last 10 years Live (friends in places) it always makes me laugh this forum.

I said to my dad at ring side, i always believed Tony would do it again, but I was worried about his mental strength..tonight he proved he’s up there with the best! Is he as good as Haye?.... No .....is he as good as Holyfield No!

You’ve got a great tactical boxer, & despite being scouse (I despise them) a top human being!

I hope he hangs the gloves up, there’s nothing left to prove to anyone! Andre Ward? Why not... personally I’d leave it alone, but we’ve all said that before..,...

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun May 06, 2018 12:05 am

Burnley1989 wrote:Being someone who’s watched every top fight in the country for the last 10 years Live (friends in places) it always makes me laugh this forum.

I said to my dad at ring side, i always belived Tony would do it again, but I was worried about his mental strength..tonight he proved he’s up there with the best! Is he as good as Haye?.... No .....is he as good as Holyfield No!

You’ve got a great tactical boxer, & despite being scouse (I despise them) a top human being!

I hope he hangs the gloves up, there’s nothing left to prove to anyone! Andre Ward? Why not... personally I’d leave it alone, but we’ve all said that before..,...

So are you agreeing with ClaretMoffitt or not? You started off saying you didn't and ended up going on about something completely different.

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sun May 06, 2018 12:10 am

Right_winger wrote:Who do you think beats that version of Lewis then?

Probably David Hate
Only kidding but Lewis came into his best towards the end of the heavyweight glory era
Best ever in their prime....
Tyson
I never so Ali so can't really comment on him

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 06, 2018 1:05 am

Burnley1989 wrote:Being someone who’s watched every top fight in the country for the last 10 years Live (friends in places) it always makes me laugh this forum.

I said to my dad at ring side, i always belived Tony would do it again, but I was worried about his mental strength..tonight he proved he’s up there with the best! Is he as good as Haye?.... No .....is he as good as Holyfield No!

You’ve got a great tactical boxer, & despite being scouse (I despise them) a top human being!

I hope he hangs the gloves up, there’s nothing left to prove to anyone! Andre Ward? Why not... personally I’d leave it alone, but we’ve all said that before..,...

Why should he hang up his gloves? surely he'll want to leave a legacy, if he beats Andre Ward he'll cement himself in the talking with the greats at Cruiser/LHW. You say Bellew proved he's up there with the best but then say he's not as good as Haye, does that mean you consider Haye the best?

Andre Ward could step up from LHW and smoke Bellew and Haye in the same night.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 06, 2018 1:07 am

CBT wrote:Probably David Hate
Only kidding but Lewis came into his best towards the end of the heavyweight glory era
Best ever in their prime....
Tyson
I never so Ali so can't really comment on him

Mike Tyson being the best ever is a complete myth, he's popular because he was exciting but the best ever? HAHAHAHAHA

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sun May 06, 2018 1:26 am

KRBFC wrote:Andre Ward could step up from LHW and smoke Bellew and Haye in the same night.

Only if he brings the refs from his 2 Kovalev fights

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:03 am

KRBFC wrote:Mike Tyson being the best ever is a complete myth, he's popular because he was exciting but the best ever? HAHAHAHAHA

What makes you think he didn’t mean Tyson Fury?

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:16 am

KRBFC wrote:Why should he hang up his gloves? surely he'll want to leave a legacy, if he beats Andre Ward he'll cement himself in the talking with the greats at Cruiser/LHW. You say Bellew proved he's up there with the best but then say he's not as good as Haye, does that mean you consider Haye the best? Andre Ward could step up from LHW and smoke Bellew and Haye in the same night.

He’s not as good as Haye was in his prime at Cruiser, not many are though.... if he fights one of the greatest P4P of all time, I just feel he comes up short so would prefer him to go out as a world champion & on the back of beating one of the cruiser divisions greats twice!

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:18 am

KRBFC wrote:Mike Tyson being the best ever is a complete myth, he's popular because he was exciting but the best ever? HAHAHAHAHA

Said the same yesterday, he blew away every cannon fodder put in front of him, bit like AJ

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:19 am

FactualFrank wrote:So are you agreeing with ClaretMoffitt or not? You started off saying you didn't and ended up going on about something completely different.

Quoted the wrong comment mate

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:52 am

Burnley1989 wrote:He’s not as good as Haye was in his prime at Cruiser, not many are though.... if he fights one of the greatest P4P of all time, I just feel he comes up short so would prefer him to go out as a world champion & on the back of beating one of the cruiser divisions greats twice!

He absolutely comes up short against Ward, everybody does but it would be interesting with the weight, Bellew is much bigger and Ward has been retired for a while.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:57 am

Andre Ward is past his best now. Very awkward defensive fighter who was excellent at what he did but not sure how he would do getting in with heavier guys - personally I think he’d quickly ruin his reputation as very very good champion.

As for the best heavyweight of all time - of course it’s open to all kinds of opinions....some a bit more educated than others though.

In terms of “eras” of heavyweight boxing the last 15 years or so at least is probably one of the worst in history. The main reason being the lack of Americans - it’s been proven that far fewer are deciding to go into boxing and are instead pushed into American football where the odds of them making it are far greater.

This era of heavyweights is a million miles behind the Ali era for example - and also a long way behind the likes of Tyson, Lewis etc. The likes of George Foreman could beat Fury, AJ, Haye and TB all in the same ring !

I don’t think Tyson is the best of all time - personally I do think it’s Ali with the likes of Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Foreman and Frazier up there. Evander Holyfield and Larry Holmes would also be in the top ten - with maybe Lewis but also with Tyson. Tyson did not just fight bums - he beat everyone and he was an animal in the ring. A savage - and a bit like Marciano actually. He only started to get beat when he got the demons with money, drugs, women etc.

None of today’s fighters would be in the top 50 let alone get anywhere near some of these guys. And don’t even get me started on AUDREY Harrison !!