Bellew v Haye

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:59 pm

Who wins the rematch?

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:10 pm

OK, I'll start. I thought Haye would win the 1st fight, but I was wrong. Did his injury stop him from doing so? Not sure. Anyway, I think Bellew will win again, because he's a tough and useful fighter and Haye is way past his best.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:13 pm

Bellew ain’t no heavyweight. If David Haye comes in injury free and his timing is up to scratch he should
Be able to blow Bellew out early.

A prime and fit David Haye stops any of today’s heavyweights inside 3 the key factor being fit.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:16 pm

Should.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:28 pm

I think a 90% haye would beat Belew, but if Hayes open work out is anything to go by then he is nowhere near that.
I'd imagine he still has plenty of punching power but he looked slow. His timing was out in the first fight and I think he hasn't sparred enough this time to avoid risk of injury. I hope I'm wrong but I fancy Belew to win by descision

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:29 pm

Haye will win. The hatred then the love in. It will be all planned out.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:38 pm

Dyched wrote:Haye will win. The hatred then the love in. It will be all planned out.

You think the fix is in?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:43 pm

Depends if Haye's body is still capable. It breaks down nowadays. If it holds up, he should be too strong.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:49 pm

Anyone remember Haye's defeat to Carl "The Cat" Thompson? His body was capable then.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:49 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:You think the fix is in?

Imho. I don’t really follow boxing but see the stuff on ssn, interviews etc. I haven’t seen much on this fight though.

From the outside they put a big show on last night the bad mouthing before hand. Then after, it had gone. Hugging, talking each other up. They can make a quite a few quid each to do it again. So why not? They end their “rivalry” one a piece.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Thu May 03, 2018 11:55 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Anyone remember Haye's defeat to Carl "The Cat" Thompson? His body was capable then.

So was Carl Thompson's
Carl was the ultimate professional except for when he arranged his fights around his wife's shifts at royal Bolton hospital.
I would of backed Carl to beat Belew too at any point in Belews career

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri May 04, 2018 12:04 am

Carl is a legend in my eyes. It's would have, not would of by the way.

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Fri May 04, 2018 12:46 am

Haye will hurt his toe and complain about it all night

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri May 04, 2018 2:09 am

Right_winger wrote:Bellew ain’t no heavyweight. If David Haye comes in injury free and his timing is up to scratch he should
Be able to blow Bellew out early.

A prime and fit David Haye stops any of today’s heavyweights inside 3 the key factor being fit.

Yeah of course he does

The fight with Klitschko epitomises Haye's career, found out at the highest level and full of excuses

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri May 04, 2018 6:50 am

Bellew has done well for a bloke with an ironing board for a face.

Two very unlike able people.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri May 04, 2018 7:10 am

Right_winger wrote: A prime and fit David Haye stops any of today’s heavyweights inside 3 the key factor being fit.

I've not seen any evidence in his entire career to support that. When was prime David Haye, 5 yrs ago? It took 5 rounds to get rid of Chisora. 10yrs ago? Again 5 rounds to beat Monte Barrett. 15 yrs ago? He blew Tony Dowling away, for the English title.

snapcrackleandpop · Post by **snapcrackleandpop** » Fri May 04, 2018 7:53 am

I think that Bellew is a bit too wound up for this fight, he had no reason to react at the face off I hope Haye knocks the yappy b***ard clean out.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Fri May 04, 2018 9:37 am

Caballo wrote:I've not seen any evidence in his entire career to support that. When was prime David Haye, 5 yrs ago? It took 5 rounds to get rid of Chisora. 10yrs ago? Again 5 rounds to beat Monte Barrett. 15 yrs ago? He blew Tony Dowling away, for the English title.

Chisora at the time was a pretty live fighter, not the washed up version who got robbed against Dylian whyte.
Monte Barret again was a live fighter. Prime David Haye for me is the one who unified the cruiser weight division and toyed with John Ruiz.

Nowadays the heavyweights are absolute pap. Joshua would have the perfect style for a “prime” Haye. Come forward in straight lines throwing big slow bombs. He’d be knocked out inside 3 rounds against a counter puncher who relied on his reflexes to draw and avoid shots.

Wilder has already been banged up by Haye in sparring.

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Fri May 04, 2018 9:42 am

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Anyone remember Haye's defeat to Carl "The Cat" Thompson? His body was capable then.

Yes I remember it well Carl took some punishment in most of his fights but always seemed to come back with heavy punches. He lived opposite me in Horwich at the time, a real good guy to talk to but wouldn't like to be in a ring with him.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Fri May 04, 2018 10:51 am

Right_winger wrote:Chisora at the time was a pretty live fighter, not the washed up version who got robbed against Dylian whyte.
Monte Barret again was a live fighter. Prime David Haye for me is the one who unified the cruiser weight division and toyed with John Ruiz.

Nowadays the heavyweights are absolute pap. Joshua would have the perfect style for a “prime” Haye. Come forward in straight lines throwing big slow bombs. He’d be knocked out inside 3 rounds against a counter puncher who relied on his reflexes to draw and avoid shots.

Wilder has already been banged up by Haye in sparring.

Ruiz was old, small and slow, tailor made for Haye. Agree about the general standard of todays heavys, however they're just too big for Haye.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Fri May 04, 2018 11:58 am

Frank Bruno would beat them both up at the same time. Brrrrruuuuunnnnoooooo.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri May 04, 2018 12:04 pm

Dear old Frank gave the great Lennox Lewis one of his toughest fights. Cardiff 1993.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Fri May 04, 2018 12:49 pm

Cardiff '93. Omg didn't realise how long ago that was. Where have the years gone?
On a similar note, Sex on fire by Kings of Leon was released TEN years ago.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri May 04, 2018 1:03 pm

Haye within first 6 rounds. Bellew has no chance if haye is injury free

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri May 04, 2018 1:37 pm

Depends on whether Haye can turn the clock back. Regarding the Thompson fight if I recall correctly I feel like Haye underestimated Carl and completely gassed himself, but if he'd been more experienced and known how to manage a fight he could've won easily.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri May 04, 2018 6:25 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Depends on whether Haye can turn the clock back. Regarding the Thompson fight if I recall correctly I feel like Haye underestimated Carl and completely gassed himself, but if he'd been more experienced and known how to manage a fight he could've won easily.

Correct. Carl looked out on his feet and Haye exhausted himself trying to finish him off.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Fri May 04, 2018 6:37 pm

It wasn’t the only the “The Cat” did this. I remember watching him fighting Sebastiaan Rothmann. I was thinking Carl was taking way too much punishment and the ref should step in. About 20 seconds later Carl had KO’d the guy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUaVTXyjQbs
Go to about 2.36 on the video.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:It wasn’t the only the “The Cat” did this. I remember watching him fighting Sebastiaan Rothmann. I was thinking Carl was taking way too much punishment and the ref should step in. About 20 seconds later Carl had KO’d the guy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUaVTXyjQbs
Go to about 2.36 on the video.

I'd never seen that one before. You can tell he was out on his feet, he couldn't even celebrate!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri May 04, 2018 8:49 pm

Underestimating an opponent has been the downfall of many!

Claretitus · Post by **Claretitus** » Fri May 04, 2018 8:56 pm

If Haye doesn't win inside 6, it'll be Bellend. Haye will lose stamina, then unfortunately the Scouse gobsh**e will end up winning, and Haye will then retire, having nowhere else to go. I hope Haye wins, but can't see it.

Transpennine · Post by **Transpennine** » Fri May 04, 2018 9:25 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Haye within first 6 rounds. Bellew has no chance if haye is injury free

When was the last time Haye was injury free?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat May 05, 2018 2:15 pm

£20 PPV!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 05, 2018 2:55 pm

IanMcL wrote:£20 PPV!

They'll have to pay me more than that to view it.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat May 05, 2018 3:07 pm

Haye on points for me , I’m not paying £20 for 2 average fighters though

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sat May 05, 2018 3:19 pm

Cant believe people actually pay for ppv events

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 05, 2018 3:21 pm

I've very little interest in this division until a Joshua - Fury fight happens.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat May 05, 2018 4:45 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I've very little interest in this division until a Joshua - Fury fight happens.

I'd rather see Joshua v Wilder

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 4:58 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:I'd rather see Joshua v Wilder

I would too but they are both not very good and have lots of flaws. Neither their handlers want their man to loose an end their cash cows.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 05, 2018 5:02 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:I'd rather see Joshua v Wilder

Fury at his best - better than both imo. Sure, he's a cocky sod, but I think he'd come out on top if he fought either. Will it happen? Hope so.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 5:11 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Fury at his best - better than both imo. Sure, he's a cocky sod, but I think he'd come out on top if he fought either. Will it happen? Hope so.

I agree he’s much better than both. But he’s not fan friendly to watch especially to the casuals ( who are mainly Joshua’s fans)

I can’t see it happening unless he’a forces himself into the mandatory position ( which shouldn’t be hard as he’a still the lineal champ )

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat May 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Fury got decked by Steve Cunningham, a blown up cruiser. And Pajkic decked him as well didn't he? That hardly makes Fury The 2nd coming of Muhammad Ali does it? He beat a below par Klitschko. That's it really. I really hope Joshua KO's him.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 5:44 pm

The Cunningham knock down was a flash knock down, plus he was als very capable. Regarding wlad, he couldn’t get near Fury where as Joshua was put on his feet against him. Couldn’t see Joshua getting near Fury, Joshua is not a good boxer he’s just a big strong unit who’s run over his opponents. Can you imagine the likes of a Joshua against Lewis. Wouldn’t even be competative.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 05, 2018 5:51 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Fury got decked by Steve Cunningham, a blown up cruiser.

Strange. I thought Fury won that one - by knockout.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat May 05, 2018 6:03 pm

The point was that a small guy was able to deck him.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat May 05, 2018 6:07 pm

Right_winger wrote: Can you imagine the likes of a Joshua against Lewis. Wouldn’t even be competative.

Joshua is better fighter than Frank Bruno was. And Frank was competitive against a peak Lewis. He lost, but you can't say it wasn't competitive, surely?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 05, 2018 6:08 pm

'Decking' to me means - giving a pasting, and winning with ease. But that didn't happen. And as for the small guy vs the bigger guy... Haye vs Valuev?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 6:48 pm

paulus the woodgnome wrote:Joshua is better fighter than Frank Bruno was. And Frank was competitive against a peak Lewis. He lost, but you can't say it wasn't competitive, surely?

I disagree I’d say they were a much a muchness. Slow lumbering strong men with limited boxing acumen. Joshua has better whiskers where as Bruno had the engine.

Bruno took the game to Lewis but that’s it still got stomped on the 7th. Bruno also hurt Tyson aswell.

As a side note the post Rahman Lewis was and still is the best ever heavyweight there has been bar none. He had everything.

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Sat May 05, 2018 7:00 pm

FactualFrank wrote:'Decking' to me means - giving a pasting, and winning with ease.

Down south it means hitting the deck.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat May 05, 2018 8:04 pm

Any ideas about what time it starts?

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat May 05, 2018 8:30 pm

Between 22:00 and 23:00 I’d tune in from 22:00 just to make sure