`We had nothing to play for` Sean Dyche

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:42 pm

Sorry Sean you dont often get it wrong but that comment is unacceptable. What about pride and the fans for starters ?

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:43 pm

In a literal sense he is correct though.

What's the full quote before you start blubbing?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:45 pm

That is all that is reported on BBC

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:47 pm

The 1% that makes the difference at this level wasn't there today, I've no problem with that, the lads have done their jobs.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:47 pm

He also said `That really affects the players `

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:47 pm

Neither did Arsenal.

Shappie · Post by **Shappie** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:49 pm

DCWat wrote:Neither did Arsenal.

Wengers last game at home. That’s something

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:50 pm

I thought we could still come 6th and avoid having to start our season in July

Whitgord · Post by **Whitgord** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:51 pm

I would be very disappointed if any hint of “nothing to play for” had been mentioned in the changing room before kick off.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:53 pm

We were always making up the numbers today. If Arsenal players weren't up for today then they would be a club in trouble. We on the other hand had already confirmed 7th place our best finish in 50 years. I'm happy enough.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun May 06, 2018 7:56 pm

Poor today. Too many players not been at the races so to speak. We can’t afford that, especially against a team like arsenal.

We go again on Saturday. Let’s see how they respond. I think they will.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:04 pm

bobinho wrote:Poor today. Too many players not been at the races so to speak. We can’t afford that, especially against a team like arsenal.

We go again on Saturday. Let’s see how they respond. I think they will.

Sunday.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:18 pm

"I think Arsenal raised their performance considerably. After the results yesterday we suddenly had nothing to play for and that affects players, they need something on the game.

"Today Arsenal really turned up. It will be a different feel at home next weekend - our fans were great today and they know how good a season it has been.

"Arsene Wenger means a lot to the game, the only thing he'll be asking is if they could have done that more often. It's still quite fresh but in 10 years they'll probably be looking back ad thinking 'what an era'."

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:29 pm

Taken out of context, OP. Remember that at the very top of a profession the margins are infinitessimal. Yesterday Burnley were confirmed 7th and a place in Europe. There's the joy and the release of the tension and a feeling of relief. That's massive. There was no way Burnley were ever going to finish 6th even if we had won today, just like Everton not really being able to catch us before yesterday.

The players were also naturally off their guard regarding the occasion which was also massive in terms of English PL history.

I'm glad I didn't go, but don't forget we've only been turned over two or three times by billion pound squads that could even be contenders to win the World Cup if they were countries.

OK we got thrashed and the defence were awful, but if you watch the whole interview with Dyche, who was obviously hurting at the result too, then the OP might want to take a step back and enjoy the sunshine.

Go to the beach tomorrow and cheer up!

If you're not 100% it's not much of a contest.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:30 pm

I find it curious that we had nothing to play for when there was a (slim) chance of 6th which would have meant no pre season disruption and guaranteed huge European games rather than just minnows.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:31 pm

Not really. Pie in the sky. A mathematical notion of 6th only.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:33 pm

It was far more than that.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:35 pm

Pstotto wrote:Not really. Pie in the sky. A mathematical notion of 6th only.

Rubbish

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:39 pm

Pstotto wrote:Not really. Pie in the sky. A mathematical notion of 6th only.

Not at all.

Had we beaten Arsenal they have two away games remaining and they've lost their last few away from home.

A draw in both of those and a win for us would have seen us in 6th.

Not mathematical at all.

In this instance SD is talking rubbish when he said we had nothing to play for.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:39 pm

I wouldn't have believed he'd said that if I hadn't have listened to it.

I can only imagine that it's a mistake on his part.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:50 pm

Too many back passes no width with our wide men coming inside and also not offering suppport to our full backs so it was no suprise when Arsenal exploited our frailities in our gutless rollover.Nothing to play for or not all the fans who travelled and those like me who stayed over deserved a performance.With Ash going off though our fight went with him.

DefourFiveSix · Post by **DefourFiveSix** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:52 pm

Very poor comment, though probably more trying to excuse what was our worst performance for a year or two. I half expected to get beat today given the occasion, but the manner of the performance was what I had a problem with. We didn't make it difficult for them and lost the ball again and again. They tore us apart in second gear.

If we'd won today we'd have been level on points with them with a very winnable home game to play. Arsenal have been bobbins away from home all year. Definitely something to play for, before you even get to the fans who didn't deserve that performance today.

I also think we look very leggy. It's been a long season and our lads have given everything. I think over the last few games we've seen it catching up with them - and that means if we're going to go on a run in Europe then the squad needs to be stronger next season, but I think we already knew that. We've been unlucky with injuries too.

Would like to have seen Barnes partner Vokes from the start today to cause their very inexperienced centre halves problems and I think we'd have seen that at some point in the second half. Once Barnes went off for Vokes we looked completely lost - I love Sam but he looks so far off the pace now at this level, he never looks match fit when he comes on - is he carrying an injury?

Anyway, we can get over it this once. Been a great season. Let's end it with a win next week. UTC

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun May 06, 2018 8:55 pm

They are only human. We are not all Roy Keane, who would kick his granny if she got between him and the ball. Some folk find it hard to motivate themselves with nothing on the line. With 11 on the pitch you only need a couple of them and the rhythm of the side is gone. They’ve done more than enough this year to deserve our thanks.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sun May 06, 2018 9:10 pm

Dyche always preaches Pride and Work Ethics so his comment was totally out of character. The comment and the performance were weird.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sun May 06, 2018 9:15 pm

When you look at our injuries this season it’s a miracle we are where we are. I can forgive them an off day today.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun May 06, 2018 9:27 pm

He wasn't saying that we literally had nothing to play for, he was saying that after yesterday we'd confirmed a place in Europe and that affects the players as in a relative sense finishing 6th is not that different to finishing 7th.

Yes Arsenal have probably one of the worst league away records in 2018, but we were playing them at a place where they are playing very well and getting good results.

Arsenal 47 points at home (2nd best in the league) w 15 d2 l2

Arsenal 13 points away from home (15th best in the league) w3 d4 l10

Yes they're likely to draw or lose their next two games, but we were not at all likely to beat them at their place.

The difference could well be us not beating them at home.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun May 06, 2018 9:30 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Yes they're likely to draw or lose their next two games, but we were not at all likely to beat them at their place.

And neither were Huddersfield likely to get anything against Man City - a team full of players who are light years better than anyone Arsenal have.

But they did!

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun May 06, 2018 9:35 pm

At home in the League Arsenal have lost to Manchesters City and United.

Drawn with Chelsea and Liverpool

And won the rest.

A pattern there.

joburg_claret · Post by **joburg_claret** » Sun May 06, 2018 9:43 pm

in some respects a defeat like today can be beneficial in the longer term. It shows the players we always need to be on our game. Arsenal have been brilliant at home this season and with it being AV’s last home game their players would be up for it, so a tough game. All in all the score line hurts cos under Sean we very rarely see this type of result but this can happen in the Premier League. At least it didn’t matter too much. Come the start of our European adventure none of us will be thinking about it. An amazing season still!!

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun May 06, 2018 9:43 pm

Spijed wrote:And neither were Huddersfield likely to get anything against Man City - a team full of players who are light years better than anyone Arsenal have.

But they did!

Yes we might have got a 0-0 draw, but that would still have meant finishing in 7th.

We've only beaten one of the top six this season and that had a lot to do with playing well against 9 men.
(edit. Chelsea who have lost 4 games at home are the only top six side to have lost more than 2 home games this season)

[It's our record against the other 13 teams that's been the impressive thing this season, something we've improved on massively and is how Stoke and West Brom succeeded for so long]

City although playing one fewer games at home have the same number of home points as Arsenal.

City didn't have anything to play for whilst Huddersfield did.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun May 06, 2018 10:02 pm

I think he's right though the work is done, you could see we rolled over and produced an ''on the beach'' performance. It's a pretty terrible comment to make after the fans sold out the allocation for an expensive trip though. We should probably play the youth team in the final game and give the first team an extra week holiday because our season is starting earlier than expected.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:02 pm

Dyche doesn’t make many mistakes but saying that is not only a mistake but disrespectful to the fans who travelled, in fact to all Burnley fans .

claretfern · Post by **claretfern** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:06 pm

joey13 wrote:Dyche doesn’t make many mistakes but saying that is not only a mistake but disrespectful to the fans who travelled, in fact to all Burnley fans .

Absolutely.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:08 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Sorry Sean you dont often get it wrong but that comment is unacceptable. What about pride and the fans for starters ?

Yes I agree.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:09 pm

I think we did ok 1st half but a couple of defensive lapses did for us. We tried to force back into it in the 2nd half but some were already in the 'season over' mode after the 2nd goal amd the 3rd goal finished off the remaining fight.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:26 pm

We know that Sean. The performance was abysmill. I had a ticket and had to drop off at Manchester Airport on the way south. I was in two minds wether to turn back and not bother with it being a nice day, I wish I had

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:28 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Sorry Sean you dont often get it wrong but that comment is unacceptable. What about pride and the fans for starters ?

What about the £2500 I would have won if we had finished 6th?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:34 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if the players had been allowed a one-off p:ssup to celebrate qualification for Europe.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they trained professionally and as usual all week but are just a bit pooped-out and struggling with injuries etc after a damned hard season when we have out performed every expectation we had back in August.

I hated today. I cannot bear to lose.

But just this once - sod it. Sod the whole feckin' result.

We've qualified for Europe.

KeighleyClaret · Post by **KeighleyClaret** » Sun May 06, 2018 11:42 pm

Arsenal are the only top 6 club to have beaten us twice this season. 6th was a very genuine possibility and if we had won today we would have been favourites. In 2018 Arsenal have played 6 away and lost all 6. And we owed them one after the last 3 late winners, all of which were travesties.

Cannot accept the 'nothing to play for' argument if he really meant that, I can however accept that the players are knackered and have given everything in a superb season, and really had nothing left. Can also accept that Arsenal played out of their socks on what was a very special day for them.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon May 07, 2018 12:02 am

The players owe the fans a performance next week,thankfully Bournemouth are not in Arsenal's league.Today was Arsenal's party next Sunday will be ours.Total Jekyll and hyde team Arsenal this season capable of beating anyone at home awful away remind you of another team last term.
What is worrying is the lack of effort to even keep the scoreline respectable most un-Dyche like,i suspect behind closed doors Sean will not be so complimentary to the lads.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Mon May 07, 2018 12:05 am

So will we not have anything to play for against Bournemouth?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon May 07, 2018 12:12 am

mkmel wrote:So will we not have anything to play for against Bournemouth?

You would expect a reaction to Yesterday's game next week,yes it's our last game but we don't want to finish with back-to-back defeats.
The players must know that performance wasn't acceptable and well below our usual standards.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon May 07, 2018 12:15 am

KeighleyClaret wrote:Arsenal are the only top 6 club to have beaten us twice this season. 6th was a very genuine possibility and if we had won today we would have been favourites. In 2018 Arsenal have played 6 away and lost all 6.

I doubt that anyone could seriously look at Leicester v Arsenal and think that Arsenal have little chance of winning.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Mon May 07, 2018 6:56 am

I think SD could have phrased his comment better. I couldn't believe he said that, as 6th position could have been a distinct possibility IMO. To be frank I think a result like that has been coming for a few weeks. You could sense a few players weren't switched on. I will turn up next Sunday after all there's always pride to play for and the fact I am watching a professional outfit who are expected and paid to attempt to play to their maximum week in week out. It has also been a monumental season. and I hope this result doesn't in any way detract from that.

Maja · Post by **Maja** » Mon May 07, 2018 7:09 am

ashtonlongsider wrote:I think SD could have phrased his comment better. I couldn't believe he said that, as 6th position could have been a distinct possibility IMO. To be frank I think a result like that has been coming for a few weeks. You could sense a few players weren't switched on. I will turn up next Sunday after all there's always pride to play for and the fact I am watching a professional outfit who are expected and paid to attempt to play to their maximum week in week out. It has also been a monumental season. and I hope this result doesn't in any way detract from that

Hi! Let's hope for victory

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Mon May 07, 2018 7:40 am

I found a stream in HD, cast it up to the widescreen telly but spent the afternoon in the garden without watching any of it. There was absolutely nothing to play for. It's been about qualifying for Europe for the last few months and that was achieved when the final whistle went at Everton. I'm not surprised that the players didn't have theirusual edge and I don't care. The sun is shining again and we've had our best season for half a century.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon May 07, 2018 8:11 am

Put Mee, Brady, Defour, Wood and Barnes in from the start and it's a completely different game. Yes our players lacked the usual spark but with a small squad like ours, half your best team missing is going to have a big affect.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon May 07, 2018 8:19 am

I guess as supporters we see it differently and expect the team to give everything in every game no matter what - 'maximum effort, minimum requirement'

There was a glimmer of hope of 6th, which would have matched our last best season in 1973/74. If we had avoided defeat we would have taken points of every other team in the division this season. Was also pleased, going into the game, we had the only positive goal difference outside the top six.

On reflection accept that, relatively speaking - given the season as a whole, we had nothing to play for. However given a performance that was in total contrast to everything he's delivered over five and a half years and Sean's usually spot-on post match comments, especially bearing in mind those who had traveled to the game, he could have worded that better.

Healeywoodclaret · Post by **Healeywoodclaret** » Mon May 07, 2018 8:26 am

I didn't go. Spent the day sunning myself in the garden. However when the final score came through I got my Burnley shirt on and toasted to a feaking magnificent season. This result should not take the shine off the fantastic achievement of finishing 7th in the Premier League. UTC.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon May 07, 2018 8:29 am

KeighleyClaret wrote:Arsenal are the only top 6 club to have beaten us twice this season. 6th was a very genuine possibility and if we had won today we would have been favourites. In 2018 Arsenal have played 6 away and lost all 6. And we owed them one after the last 3 late winners, all of which were travesties.

Cannot accept the 'nothing to play for' argument if he really meant that, I can however accept that the players are knackered and have given everything in a superb season, and really had nothing left. Can also accept that Arsenal played out of their socks on what was a very special day for them.

Like City who we got hammered by away from home our chance against Arsenal was at home not at their place where they've only dropped 10 points all season and only conceded 20 goals and scored 54.

They've scored 5 at home against Huddersfield (5-0)
Everton (5-1) and Burnley (5-0)

4 against Leicester (4-3), Palace (4-1) and West Ham (4-1).
Kept 9 clean sheets.

If you take away the goals scored by the top 5 (Spurs didn't score against them) they've conceded 9 goals in the other games, of which only Leicester (3) and Southampton (2) scored more than once.

Their defeats were 3-1 against United and 3-0 against City

And they drew 3-3 against Liverpool and 2-2 against Chelsea.

Do you really think a team as defensively solid as Arsenal are at home would concede more than once against us?

Do you think a team that had scored 49 goals in 18 games at home would fail to score against us when they'd scored in ever home game apart from against City? Yes we might have been able to lose 1-0 like Newcastle did.., but they and United are the only two to concede only one goal.

1-1 would probably have been the only realistic possibility if we'd been on our game and they'd had an off day, if you look at their home form.

The 1-0 home defeat was the real missed opportunity along with losing to WBA at home, if we'd won both we'd be comfortable in 6th.

We are one of only 3 teams who failed to score at home against Arsenal (Chelsea, West Ham)
One of only three teams to lose at home against Arsenal (Everton, Palace)

Even Stoke and Swansea managed to beat Arsenal at home.

Losing 5-0 at Arsenal followed the pattern of the season more closely than losing 1-0 at home to them which is more of an anomaly of the two.