Another near miss on the motorway

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 8:45 am

Not sure if someone is telling me I should stop driving or I've got some bad karma

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:09 am

Personally I would have anticipated the manoeuvre by the truck, but I’m probably older and had much more experience than you mate

looks like you handled it well enough though - expect stupidity, most don’t fail to disappoint...

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:11 am

I mean, he indicates early which I guess is fine but I would have expected him to wait for me to switch lanes or to overtake.

There was a car not too far behind me in the far right lane which made it worse, lucky all round but christ people on the roads!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:17 am

I mean, he indicates early which I guess is fine but I would have expected him to wait for me to switch lanes or to overtake.
Lol , a lorry driver waiting for you to switch lanes

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:28 am

Good chance the lorry would have been in the back of the vehicles in front if he hadnt switched lanes as he was too close.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:31 am

Personally I too would have expected it to be fair but like you say its all about the right lane. Something he no doubt didn't consider.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:35 am

It's called defensive driving. On seeing the truck indicating and the car in the right lane approaching, stopping you moving over, well before the van had passed the truck i would have decelerated, flash the truck out and when clear overtaken it.
That experience Rick mentioned is the ability to read the road and traffic. The anticipation comes from how close the truck was to the vehicles in front of it, the speed/flow of the traffic and the gap the truck driver would have perceived was available after the van had passed. Some drivers make assumptions that you would have seen their indication and anticipated their intention to pull out after the van had passed, expecting you to either decelerate or move over and make allowances for it.
Anyway, you reacted and well done in avoiding an accident.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:54 am

At least he indicated, which puts him in a minority category these days, even though
it was bad driving.

Most people seem to think their indicator stalks are solely there to hang air fresheners on.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat May 12, 2018 9:56 am

Somebody needs to take that dash cam off you

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sat May 12, 2018 10:05 am

Where and when did this happen ?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 10:12 am

randomclaret2 wrote:Where and when did this happen ?

Yesterday on the M62. Time and date isn't correct on my dash cam.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat May 12, 2018 11:43 am

You really should have read the situation better. It was obvious by looking at the video that the big lorry was going to pull out due to the slowing traffic.
This is the reason for road traffic accidents, not speed, but poor drivers who are unable to read the roads

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 12, 2018 11:54 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Not sure if someone is telling me I should stop driving or I've got some bad karma

You should have been paying attention to the road instead of having your camera out recording it you dangerous piece of ****.

<3

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Sat May 12, 2018 11:58 am

The lorry signals late in my opinion. From signal on- moving right its 1 second. No where near long enough.
Maybe you could have anticipated it better but the lorry driver needs a lesson on signal timing and mirror use. With the speeds involved signals need to be a lot earlier than in say a 20mph zone. Most people signal between 50metres-100 metres before leaving a motorway. The recommendation is 300 metres.

On a side note in less that a month learners will be allowed on the motorway. Rules state it must be with a fully qualified instructor in a dual controlled car.

Watch how we teach learners and you will all learn a thing or two.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 11:58 am

I'm an absolute ****.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat May 12, 2018 11:59 am

As No Ney Never says, Defensive driving is the key.

His (or her) transport manager needs to be made aware - this could have been costly for lots of people.

Glad you were able to avoid the situation... Phewwww!

One of those moments when you discover that adrenaline smells of sh*t

WadingInDeeper · Post by **WadingInDeeper** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:02 pm

Top Claret wrote:You really should have read the situation better. It was obvious by looking at the video that the big lorry was going to pull out due to the slowing traffic.
This is the reason for road traffic accidents, not speed, but poor drivers who are unable to read the roads

Definitely, he/she should have slowed down/left plenty of room well before the line of cars which would have ensured he didn't need to pull out. Assuming of course they were paying attention to the road conditions and not looking at their delivery note/map/dvd player.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:05 pm

Top Claret wrote:You really should have read the situation better. It was obvious by looking at the video that the big lorry was going to pull out due to the slowing traffic.
This is the reason for road traffic accidents, not speed, but poor drivers who are unable to read the roads

The only time C&J had to see that traffic was slowing (unless he can see through trucks like you apparently can) was when there was a black car in the fast lane overtaking him.

Zugunruhe · Post by **Zugunruhe** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:19 pm

The lorry signals way too late and the driver didn't even bother to check his mirrors. Another example of a so-called professional driver behaving like a rank amateur.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:26 pm

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karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:36 pm

I was behind a driving instructor on the M65 last week and he constantly changed lanes without signalling and at one point he was driving on the rumble strip at the left side of the road. When he exited the motorway he signalled about 2 yards before the sliproad. Not a very good advertisement for his business.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:45 pm

Indicating doesn't give you a right to pull out. Those who are pointing the finger of blame at C&J's lack of anticipation are no doubt the same drivers who switch lanes with the same disregard as the truck driver. It wasn't C&J's responsibility to slow down and let the truck out, it was the truck driver's responsibility to slow down and wait for an opportunity to change lanes. And he certainly didn't indicate with enough notice.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:46 pm

Lorry driver clearly in the wrong, on all counts;too close, late indication and cutting you up.
Only excuse being if he’d found himself in an off lane and he wanted to stay on. Some lane markings are atrocious but as a professional and with the advantage of height he is still in the wrong.
I’m a defensive driver and space is the key, if you leave too much someone will take it. As said treat every other driver as a moron.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:50 pm

piston broke wrote:Only excuse being if he’d found himself in an off lane and he wanted to stay on.

That's not an excuse.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Indicating doesn't give you a right to pull out. Those who are pointing the finger of blame at C&J's lack of anticipation are no doubt the same drivers who switch lanes with the same disregard as the truck driver. It wasn't C&J's responsibility to slow down and let the truck out, it was the truck driver's responsibility to slow down and wait for an opportunity to change lanes. And he certainly didn't indicate with enough notice.

Certainly not C&J's fault. But the root cause was the lorry driver not leaving enough space between the vehicles in front of him. The consequence was he had no other option but to quickly change lanes.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 12:53 pm

Here's the thing, I'm posting this just to highlight what we all know about how dangerous the roads can be, but should I do something about this? I can find the company name and just send them an email just so they can perhaps provide extra training or something?

It could have been much worse and I'd have been across two lanes with cars smashing into the back of me.

A near miss Yes, but do you only report when there's been an accident?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:04 pm

You're lucky that other car cleared the right hand lane otherwise it'd have been different.

What an absolute cockend.

I'd fire that off to the company.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:05 pm

Of course, report it to the company. For all you know this driver's had a bunch of extra training already and is still a moron. Equally, he could have had no extra training and a little bit extra will help him and possibly save his/her and other lives. Alternatively you could leave it be, but then if he has an accident because he does the same thing, and it hurts people, then you're gonna feel like ****.

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:06 pm

Stood waiting on the side of the south bound slip road last Sunday waiting for Accy Clarets at M6 J17 and a car turns down the ‘off slip road’ and comes shooting past us heading into oncoming M6 traffic. I hate exercise but had to run after it gesticulating wildly. Thank god they saw us or we wouldn’t have made it to that fantastic 0-5 loss.

WadingInDeeper · Post by **WadingInDeeper** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:10 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Here's the thing, I'm posting this just to highlight what we all know about how dangerous the roads can be, but should I do something about this? I can find the company name and just send them an email just so they can perhaps provide extra training or something?

It could have been much worse and I'd have been across two lanes with cars smashing into the back of me.

A near miss Yes, but do you only report when there's been an accident?

If it's someone working for/sub-contracting for me then I want to know.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:11 pm

I’ll find out who the company is tonight and fire an email off to them.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:24 pm

Indicating does NOT give you the right to pull out when you are ready. It is intended to be an announcement that you wish to do so. Mirror, indicate for 3 seconds then manoeuvrer if safe to do so is the guidance given. The lorry driver waited until too late to slow down and to indicate. Even after indicating they should have been slowing down to give themselves a safe driving envelope. It is what I tell all my drivers all the time.

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:27 pm

Can't drive five minutes from my house without some driver doing something mental.

Approached the traffic lights a while back on Ightenhill Park Lane to find a driver waiting patiently at the traffic lights.

Nothing wrong with that except the lights were on green.

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Sat May 12, 2018 2:10 pm

As others have said yes the lorry was in the wrong but a better driver would have anticipated the situation , that said a young inexperienced driver could quite easily have been in a serious accident there and the blame would be with the hgv driver

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat May 12, 2018 2:18 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Not sure if someone is telling me I should stop driving or I've got some bad karma

Hi CandJ,

C.O.A.S.T. and you will be fine.

Concentration = "keep your eyes and mind on the road..."

Observation = "observe what else is on the road, and what the other drivers/vehicles are doing..." "Look for situations that could present dangers."

Anticipation = "anticipate what the other drivers/vehicles" "anticipate dangers - and plan to keep yourself safe..."

Speed = "adjust your speed to the situations, including the dangers you have observed and are anticipating...."

Time = "then you will have created the time you need to manouver, change direction, brake and stop - whatever is required to keep you safe."

With thanks to a "fast driver" training course.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat May 12, 2018 2:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The only time C&J had to see that traffic was slowing (unless he can see through trucks like you apparently can) was when there was a black car in the fast lane overtaking him.

Hi IT, when I'm on a motorway I'm always looking at the traffic a long way ahead, not just what I can see when I've caught up with the back of a artic.
So, if you think about it, you've always got plenty of opportunities to see what traffic situation is some way ahead of you.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Sat May 12, 2018 2:27 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Indicating doesn't give you a right to pull out. Those who are pointing the finger of blame at C&J's lack of anticipation are no doubt the same drivers who switch lanes with the same disregard as the truck driver. It wasn't C&J's responsibility to slow down and let the truck out, it was the truck driver's responsibility to slow down and wait for an opportunity to change lanes. And he certainly didn't indicate with enough notice.

Spot on. And also, think about the stupid and extremely dangerous car drivers who constantly drive at 50mph or less on a fkin motorway causing 40 ton trucks to have to overtake them. They never have accidents so they think they're good, safe drivers, completely oblivious to the accidents they actually cause.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat May 12, 2018 2:37 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Indicating doesn't give you a right to pull out. Those who are pointing the finger of blame at C&J's lack of anticipation are no doubt the same drivers who switch lanes with the same disregard as the truck driver. It wasn't C&J's responsibility to slow down and let the truck out, it was the truck driver's responsibility to slow down and wait for an opportunity to change lanes. And he certainly didn't indicate with enough notice.

Agree. It’s the same as those coming off the slip roads onto the motorways.
I always try to move over or adjust speed when I’m approaching a entry slip road, if safe to do so but some don’t realise that it’s a “give way” line at the end of the slip road and mindlessly join the carriageway

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sat May 12, 2018 3:08 pm

I'd have a quid on him not having seen you at all. Lucky to escape that.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat May 12, 2018 3:08 pm

Rileybobs wrote:That's not an excuse.

True. I phrased it poorly.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sat May 12, 2018 3:11 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:I’ll find out who the company is tonight and fire an email off to them.

One thing I hate is drivers of buses and trucks using size to bully other road users.
Send a copy to the police and ask if its deemed to be dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention. If you're lucky, they may contact the company to find out who the driver is. Bingo! You've not only brought it to the attention of his gaffa, he may also receive points and a fine. More importantly, him thinking twice about driving like a pr1ck may quite well save someone else being the victim of his poor driving.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sat May 12, 2018 3:39 pm

there are some bad drivers commenting on this thread. If truck is going to run into vehicles in front then he either slows down or stops. His indicating was late and he was out of order pulling out whilst you were closing in the middle lane. What if you had panicked and swerved causing outside lane traffic to crash into you.
whether you are experienced or inexperienced at driving you should expect much much better driving from a professional driver.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat May 12, 2018 3:56 pm

claretnproud wrote:there are some bad drivers commenting on this thread. If truck is going to run into vehicles in front then he either slows down or stops. His indicating was late and he was out of order pulling out whilst you were closing in the middle lane. What if you had panicked and swerved causing outside lane traffic to crash into you.
whether you are experienced or inexperienced at driving you should expect much much better driving from a professional driver.

It's easy to say the lorry driver should have slowed down or stopped but the stopping distance of a truck is much greater than a car and he definitely hadn't left enough space to safely stop. Pretty much everyone has said the lorry driver was at fault and the root cause of that was the lack of distance between him and the vehicles in front, especially when it appears there were clear warning signs of the hazards ahead.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sat May 12, 2018 4:20 pm

taio wrote:It's easy to say the lorry driver should have slowed down or stopped but the stopping distance of a truck is much greater than a car and he definitely hadn't left enough space to safely stop. Pretty much everyone has said the lorry driver was at fault and the root cause of that was the lack of distance between him and the vehicles in front, especially when it appears there were clear warning signs of the hazards ahead.

yep the professional lorry driver was at fault all round. pretty much what I said.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 4:30 pm

Ok guys, it's happened again. I don't know if something is wrong with me but I'm going to upload 2 more that have happened within 20 mins of each other in Padiham.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat May 12, 2018 4:32 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Ok guys, it's happened again. I don't know if something is wrong with me but I'm going to upload 2 more that have happened within 20 mins of each other in Padiham.

Have you ever wondered whether cars just aren't for you?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 4:36 pm

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 4:37 pm

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat May 12, 2018 4:42 pm

Do you have a grey car?

Maybe you need to get one in yellow or bright orange

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 12, 2018 4:42 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Do you have a grey car?

Maybe you need to get one in yellow or bright orange

I'm starting to think that I don't exist.