Tommy Robinson

[Imploding Turtle]

Nothing wrong if a person has served their full sentence. I have an issue if the parole board let them out early and they go on to commit a further crime.

That's part and parcel with living in a free society. Sometimes we give second chances to people who don't deserve it. The only way to prevent that is to never give second chances, and that's unacceptable.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What's wrong with people being released from prison?

At the end of a sentence there is no issue.
Releasing them part way through for good behaviour etc is wrong.

Someone like Choudhury really dislikes the UK/West and wants us all to convert so should he really be eligible for parole?
Same with those convicted of terror offences.

Releasing them early isn't going to make them like us or how we live.

[Imploding Turtle]

At the end of a sentence there is no issue.
Releasing them part way through for good behaviour etc is wrong.

Someone like Choudhury really dislikes the UK/West and wants us all to convert so should he really be eligible for parole?
Same with those convicted of terror offences.

Releasing them early isn't going to make them like us or how we live.

Is that what you want? You want our government treating one prisoner different to another prisoner when it comes to deciding to release them based on them holding opinions and feeling that aren't illegal to hold? So freedom of speech and freedom of thought ends when you're in prison, and to get out of prison you must conform to only saying and thinking things that you and I like. Is that the road you want to go down?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Is that what you want? You want our government treating one prisoner different to another prisoner when it comes to deciding to release them based on them holding opinions and feeling that aren't illegal to hold? So freedom of speech and freedom of thought ends when you're in prison, and to get out of prison you must conform to only saying and thinking things that you and I like. Is that the road you want to go down?

So you're happy that someone who preaches hate and wants attacks in and against Britain to be released early from prison?
Well at least we know which side you're supporting now

It's a bit different to letting a thief out early.

My point was why let supporters of terror attacks out early, because they're hardly likely to change their minds about it?
Feel free to justify it with whatever rubbish you want to spout at me about it.

I'm off out for the day so I'll check in later to see what drivel you've come up with.

[Imploding Turtle]

So you're happy that someone who preaches hate and wants attacks in and against Britain to be released early from prison?
Well at least we know which side you're supporting now

Do you think implying that i support islamists gains you respect? Do you wonder why people like me sneer at people like you?

I hold the opinion that we shouldn't treat one person differently to another and here you are using my support for that fundamental British value to imply that i'm an enemy of my country. I remember when the BNP were calling me a "traitor" because i believe in equality. You're no different to them.

[Caballo]

Well at least we know which side you're supporting now

If someone qualifies for early release it's irrelevant why they were imprisoned. Suggesting that wanting everyone to be treated the same somehow makes you an enemy of the state or an Isis sympathiser is beyond ridiculous.

[claretonthecoast1882]

That's part and parcel with living in a free society. Sometimes we give second chances to people who don't deserve it. The only way to prevent that is to never give second chances, and that's unacceptable.

I am comfortable with not giving murderers and rapists a second chance.

[karatekid]

Early release for good behaviour is exactly what it says on the tin. It promotes good behaviour in prison by way of offering the chance to reduce your sentence. If you knew you had to serve your full sentence without chance of early release a lot of inmates wouldn't give a damn what they got up to inside. It would be Chaos with a Capital C.

Obviously this wouldn't apply to minimum term inmates.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Do you think implying that i support islamists gains you respect? Do you wonder why people like me sneer at people like you?

I hold the opinion that we shouldn't treat one person differently to another and here you are using my support for that fundamental British value to imply that i'm an enemy of my country. I remember when the BNP were calling me a "traitor" because i believe in equality. You're no different to them.

Have I called you an enemy of the country?
You seem to support the early release of people who want to murder British citizens and change our way of life.
I definitely didn't call you an enemy of the country though.

Yes I am different to the BNP, but you can imply whatever you like, you usually do to create a distraction.

Should people convicted of terror offences be allowed out early?
Most people would say no, I suspect.

Should people convicted of murder or child abuse charges be allowed out early?
Also a no.

There are other crimes where keeping them inside for the full duration would be justifiable.

People on the streets with multiple convictions clearly aren't going to change either.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Early release for good behaviour is exactly what it says on the tin. It promotes good behaviour in prison by way of offering the chance to reduce your sentence. If you knew you had to serve your full sentence without chance of early release a lot of inmates wouldn't give a damn what they got up to inside. It would be Chaos with a Capital C.

Obviously this wouldn't apply to minimum term inmates.

They can't create chaos if the prisons were a little tougher in the first place.

[ClaretSteve]

Do you wonder why people like me sneer at people like you?

Not read 90% of the crap on here but caught that. You do realise how you come across as being stuck up your own bottom?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not read 90% of the crap on here but caught that. You do realise how you come across as being stuck up your own bottom?

He does it a lot, I think he's got a superiority complex.

[Hapag Lloyd]

He does it a lot, I think he's got a superiority complex.

I think it’s more likely an inferiority complex, after all he is Scotch.
I reckon he comes on here looking for a row as a form of therapy.

[evensteadiereddie]

To be fair, if you follow his spat with Godis, you'll see he's right.

"Well at least we know which side you're supporting now " is not far from describing someone, however inadvertently, as a traitor or the enemy of the people, is it ?

[morpheus2]

Do you think implying that i support islamists gains you respect? Do you wonder why people like me sneer at people like you?

I hold the opinion that we shouldn't treat one person differently to another and here you are using my support for that fundamental British value to imply that i'm an enemy of my country. I remember when the BNP were calling me a "traitor" because i believe in equality. You're no different to them.

I wonder, is a person required to display remorse or regret for their actions to be eligible for parole?

If so, I can't see somebody like Choudary suddenly renouncing the Qur'an, he's a pretty pious fellow and a very good Muslim, he is hardly suddenly going to want to risk going to hell by suddenly following the West's modern wishful twisted, perverted form of 'moderate' Islam, he's going to continue to follow the ways of the prophet to the letter of Qur'an, Sunnah and hadith.

I suppose the trick is to 'show' regret, but Choudary doesn't seem the type even though he will doubtless be aware of the Qur'an's exegesis by Ibn Kathir which says "...believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.''"

...this is know as al taqiyya - deceiving to advance Islam.

If his lies are convincing enough for the hapless kuffar on the parole board he will be free to spread hatred and incitement to murder on the streets again instead of performing prison dawah.. .. not a lot that can be done about that I guess.

[Walton]

You've a warped view of Taqiya, that's not what it means at all. You've swallowed a myth perpetrated by the far right I'm afraid

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.ph ... ms/0014285

[morpheus2]

You've a warped view of Taqiya, that's not what it means at all. You've swallowed a myth perpetrated by the far right I'm afraid

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.ph ... ms/0014285

That's taqiyya about taqiyya you fool.

[Walton]

That's taqiyya about taqiyya you fool.

That is exactly what an islamophobe would say, and is covered in that article.

[morpheus2]

That is exactly what an islamophobe would say, and is covered in that article.

That's exactly what it would say an 'islamophobe' would say because it is taqiyya about taqiyya.

[Walton]

Haha, there really is no talking to people as prejudiced as you is there.

Absolutely brainwashed.

[morpheus2]

If you want vast tracts of Sahih ahadith where Muhammad encouraged his followers to lie and deceive to advance Islam (al taqiyya), from contemporary sources I can post them, but the thread will be closed.

[morpheus2]

I was brainwashed, I'm now an apostate.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Haha, there really is no talking to people as prejudiced as you is there.

Absolutely brainwashed.

There are only one lot who are 'brainwashed', and they are absolute f***ing dodgepots because of it.

[Holmeclaret]

I wonder, is a person required to display remorse or regret for their actions to be eligible for parole?

If so, I can't see somebody like Choudary suddenly renouncing the Qur'an, he's a pretty pious fellow and a very good Muslim, he is hardly suddenly going to want to risk going to hell by suddenly following the West's modern wishful twisted, perverted form of 'moderate' Islam, he's going to continue to follow the ways of the prophet to the letter of Qur'an, Sunnah and hadith.

I suppose the trick is to 'show' regret, but Choudary doesn't seem the type even though he will doubtless be aware of the Qur'an's exegesis by Ibn Kathir which says "...believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.''"

...this is know as al taqiyya - deceiving to advance Islam.

If his lies are convincing enough for the hapless kuffar on the parole board he will be free to spread hatred and incitement to murder on the streets again instead of performing prison dawah.. .. not a lot that can be done about that I guess.

I thought the far right had given up on their false definition of taqiyya. You rarely see it advanced nowadays. It is permitted for a Muslim to deny his or her faith if the alternative is death or injury. It is also permissible to tell a white lie, for instance by saying that someone's food tastes good when it's not if it's likely to hurt their feelings. All other lies are not permitted, either to a Muslim or non Muslim.
However, the use of inflammatory language such as 'kuffar' to sew further mistrust and hatred isn't unusual both amongst far right Muslims and far right non Muslims. Both tend to skew it's Arabic meaning. It doesn't mean infidel or non believer, it means a person who conceals. It befits the likes of Morpheus perfectly in his pretence of being an ex Muslim ( cue the Punjabi phrases or whatever they are - I don't understand any of them). The meaning of Muslim on the other hand is not actually defined in the Quran. The closest definition is one who believes in God and performs good deeds. This is why I often tell non Muslims that they are probably better Muslims than I am.
It's quite a clever ploy, the taqiyya thing as it means that it is possible or even likely that anything someone like me should say is a lie.
I don't really know much about ibn Kathir and neither does Morpheus as neither of us are scholars of Islam. If you do want to listen to a true British scholar, I suggest you look up Tim Winters (aka Abdul Hakim Murad) for a discussion of the dangers of interpreting Islamic texts without the necessary qualification.
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[Holmeclaret]

There are only one lot who are 'brainwashed', and they are absolute f***ing dodgepots because of it.

I was a hard drinking, womanising and occasionally violent chap as a young man. I found solace and happiness in my faith and over a period of about 35 years I have never harmed anyone and I have no desire whatsoever to do so, even against those who might want to harm me. I follow the Islamic principle of returning a bad deed against me with a good one.
I believed in God since my earliest childhood and if I find something more convincing than the Quran, I will leave Islam immediately.

[CoolClaret]

I was a hard drinking, womanising and occasionally violent chap as a young man. I found solace and happiness in my faith and over a period of about 35 years I have never harmed anyone and I have no desire whatsoever to do so, even against those who might want to harm me. I follow the Islamic principle of returning a bad deed against me with a good one.
I believed in God since my earliest childhood and if I find something more convincing than the Quran, I will leave Islam immediately.

There's ethics that exist outside of religious scripture my dude.

Remind me what the punishment is for aposty in Islam?

[Bin Ont Turf]

I believed in God since my earliest childhood and if I find something more convincing than the Quran, I will leave Islam immediately.

How about actual life and just being a decent human being?

I didn't need a book for that, just good parents.

Faith shouldn't be pushed on to someone.

[ClaretAndJew]

There's ethics that exist outside of religious scripture my dude.

Remind me what the punishment is for aposty in Islam?

The same as it is in Christianity

[Graham25goals]

Imho religion is about control. Without it life could be a hell of a lot worse. Life would just be a free for all without consequence.

I'm not religious by the way, I just choose to try to be a decent person. I can see why others need it though.

[Holmeclaret]

How about actual life and just being a decent human being?

I didn't need a book for that, just good parents.

Faith shouldn't be pushed on to someone.

I agree completely. When I see a person, I don't see a Muslim, Jew, Christian or atheist, I see a man or a woman. Everyone should be given a fair crack of the whip and one of the most admirable things about the British is our ability to do this more than any other group of people anywhere. As the Quran says, there is no compulsion in religion.
It's such a shame to see so many being poisoned by the actions of renegade Muslims and the twisted explanations of those with their own agenda.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

One day humanity will get to a point where they realise religion is a waste of time.

Probably take a while yet to get there if the Bible and Koran bashers continue to get their way.

[CoolClaret]

The same as it is in Christianity

Is there any Sectarian Christian countries that exclusively murder non believers and apostates?

In present day, there's no comparison for the two and its a cop-out to just go, 'well what about Christianity?!'

I'm not particularly a fan of either, one is notably worse though in the present day, that's for sure.

[Holmeclaret]

There's ethics that exist outside of religious scripture my dude.

Remind me what the punishment is for aposty in Islam?

Of course there are ethics that exist outside of religion. My faith doesn't make me superior (or inferior) to anyone.
The apostasy issue isnot as simple as you might think. There's an ongoing debate within the faith about this.
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[ClaretAndJew]

Is there any Sectarian Christian countries that exclusively murder non believers and apostates?

In present day, there's no comparison for the two and its a cop-out to just go, 'well what about Christianity?!'

I'm not particularly a fan of either, one is notably worse though in the present day, that's for sure.

But you asked about Islam not a country that is Islamic. The penalty for apostasy over here is nothing.

It's not the religon itself it's the people who follow it.

[Holmeclaret]

One day humanity will get to a point where they realise religion is a waste of time.

Probably take a while yet to get there if the Bible and Koran bashers continue to get their way.

Religious dogma convinces very few people for obvious reasons. It comes down to this for me: are you in need as a being? Make of that what you will.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I agree completely. When I see a person, I don't see a Muslim, Jew, Christian or atheist, I see a man or a woman. Everyone should be given a fair crack of the whip and one of the most admirable things about the British is our ability to do this more than any other group of people anywhere. As the Quran says, there is no compulsion in religion.
It's such a shame to see so many being poisoned by the actions of renegade Muslims and the twisted explanations of those with their own agenda.

You seem to be one of a kind and quite agreeable.

Please try and push your thoughts and opinions into the community, because you could do a lot of good with the sound mind you have.

[Holmeclaret]

You seem to be one of a kind and quite agreeable.

Please try and push your thoughts and opinions into the community, because you could do a lot of good with the sound mind you have.

What do you expect? I'm a Burnley fan.
God bless and goodnight.

[CoolClaret]

But you asked about Islam not a country that is Islamic. The penalty for apostasy over here is nothing.

It's not the religon itself it's the people who follow it.

How ideas/teachings manifest say a lot about the ideas/teachings themselves.

If it always tends to manifest in misery, then surely it's not suitable - and there's better.

Kind of like when people go 'Well the USSR wasn't real communism......"

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Religious dogma convinces very few people for obvious reasons. It comes down to this for me: are you in need as a being? Make of that what you will.

I'm not really sure what to make of that so I'll leave that where it is.

[Dazzler]

It's such a shame to see so many being poisoned by the actions of renegade Muslims and the twisted explanations of those with their own agenda.

Religion is a poison

[Dazzler]

Imho religion is about control. Without it life could be a hell of a lot worse. Life would just be a free for all without consequence.

I haven't read as much shite for...well,can't remember exactly.

[Walton]

There are only one lot who are 'brainwashed', and they are absolute f***ing dodgepots because of it.

Oh I don't doubt that there are a small number of muslims who have been brainwashed by warped preachers, however there have also been people on the far right who have been brainwashed by warped liars, and what Morpheus believes is an example of this.

This kind of disinformation is dangerous, on both sides.

[Lancasterclaret]

Just look at Twitter, loads of fans of the wife beating mortgage fraudster racist are happily retweeting legal arguments that are 100% bulldust rather than admit their hero might be just a someone who broke the law (serial offender) and has been punished for it.

Be it religion, Brexit or backing this moron too many people just lap up what they want to believe rather than the actual truth. It's very sad and so easy to exploit by unscrupulous politicians and people.

[Spijed]

Oh I don't doubt that there are a small number of muslims who have been brainwashed by warped preachers, however there have also been people on the far right who have been brainwashed by warped liars, and what Morpheus believes is an example of this.

This kind of disinformation is dangerous, on both sides.

The Vatican has been brainwashing people for decades.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The Vatican has been brainwashing people for decades.

You spelt centuries wrong.

[UpTheBeehole]

All gone quiet over there godisadeejay

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Am I meant to spend all of my time on here chatting to you?

There's a world outside of here.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If you want me, come chat on Twitter and then I can use some grown up words that aren't banned on there.

[evensteadiereddie]

Oooooh, er !

[Bordeauxclaret]

Look to be quite a few “protesters” in London today desperate to join little Tommy inside.