Travellers have taken over Thwaite's Brewery site in Blackburn

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Travellers have taken over Thwaite's Brewery site in Blackburn

Post by _Soclaretes_ » Mon May 28, 2018 10:25 am

They've fully occupied the site and have denied access to staff. Police can't do anything because they haven't the resources to physically remove them. They are causing a right mess apparently, stripping brass from the place and all sorts. It's a joke that our police force haven't got the manpower to deal with something like this.

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Re: Travellers have taken over Thwaite's Brewery site in Blackburn

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon May 28, 2018 10:29 am

They'll move on once the locals start introducing themselves to their horses.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 28, 2018 10:34 am

Manpower?

They've always got the manpower if they really need it for this sort of thing.

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Post by ClaretDiver » Mon May 28, 2018 10:36 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Manpower?

They've always got the manpower if they really need it for this sort of thing.
Nothing to do with manpower.....unfortunately they have protection by law.....

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 28, 2018 10:36 am

ClaretDiver wrote:Nothing to do with manpower.....unfortunately they have protection by law.....
Shush, you're getting in the way of a good old axe grinding.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon May 28, 2018 10:37 am

Send the army in then.

Imagine if they took over West Minister and the Houses of Parliament? They would all be jailed instantly.

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Post by Lauren12 » Mon May 28, 2018 10:56 am

I think it's all down to whoever owns the land the 'travellers' pitch up on. If its Council owned land, the Council can usually move them fairly quickly, if its privately owned land (I presume this site will be), its up to the owner, via their solicitors, to shift them.

Failing that, as others have alluded to, the Police should just let the wide eyed, chin dribbling locals wander near the fine looking mares at the camp and those Romany type people will be off sharpish.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 28, 2018 11:00 am

Anyone seen Saxo?
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Post by ClaretDiver » Mon May 28, 2018 11:05 am

Just read that Thwaites IS private land and therefore the police have no powers until a court order is produced. This can't happen until tomorrow as courts don't sit on a public holiday....

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Post by mybloodisclaret » Mon May 28, 2018 11:30 am

I would suggest that many would be startled with the actual number of officers on duty today. Some seem to think there will be hundreds kicking about. Dave and Tess' cuts are real. The thin blue line is just that.

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Post by Firthy » Mon May 28, 2018 11:48 am

Just get Trump to nuke them. That's all they deserve.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon May 28, 2018 11:53 am

ClaretDiver wrote:Just read that Thwaites IS private land and therefore the police have no powers until a court order is produced. This can't happen until tomorrow as courts don't sit on a public holiday....
If they're committing crimes like stripping all the copper pipe then the police have powers.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 28, 2018 11:53 am

ClaretDiver wrote:Just read that Thwaites IS private land and therefore the police have no powers until a court order is produced. This can't happen until tomorrow as courts don't sit on a public holiday....
That's usually why gypos pick bank holiday weekends to do stuff

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Post by dermotdermot » Mon May 28, 2018 12:01 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Send the army in then.

Imagine if they took over West Minister and the Houses of Parliament? They would all be jailed instantly.
Where’s West Minster? Is it anywhere near Wimborne Minster?

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Post by ClaretDiver » Mon May 28, 2018 12:11 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:If they're committing crimes like stripping all the copper pipe then the police have powers.
Allegedly.....

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon May 28, 2018 12:35 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:Allegedly.....
Thwaites have Tweeted from their official account they have forced their way in through a 2nd entrance causing lots of damage.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon May 28, 2018 12:36 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Where’s West Minster? Is it anywhere near Wimborne Minster?
Just around the corner past the phonebox.

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Post by AlargeClaret » Mon May 28, 2018 12:53 pm

Perhaps a member of the public could phone the old bill and mention they feel intimidated by a possibly racist comment made on the site? I’d imagine helicopters will be scrambled full riot units mobilised , teams of councillors for the victims etc
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon May 28, 2018 12:58 pm

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... ckburn_HQ/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They don't know what the damage could be according to this, they just fear its extensive plus they were meant to be open today for business.

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Post by bob-the-scutter » Mon May 28, 2018 12:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:That's usually why gypos pick bank holiday weekends to do stuff
And lets not refer to them as travellers. They are parasites, cockroaches, vermin, leaving behind as much $hit as they can. We've had an influx of them arrive over here since they were thrown out of Ireland.
The reason they are so hated is because they intentionally outcast themselves from society, don't contribute a penny but instead steal, litter and treat any area they are in with utter contempt. The whole purpose of their 'way of life' is to make it easier to get away with breaking the law.
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Post by bfcjg » Mon May 28, 2018 1:11 pm

Threaten to confiscate their lucky white heather .

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Post by South West Claret. » Mon May 28, 2018 5:00 pm

_Soclaretes_ wrote:They've fully occupied the site and have denied access to staff. Police can't do anything because they haven't the resources to physically remove them. They are causing a right mess apparently, stripping brass from the place and all sorts. It's a joke that our police force haven't got the manpower to deal with something like this.

Well I never what next.

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Mon May 28, 2018 5:03 pm

If this thread was about Muslims moving themselves into somewhere without permission, this would be on page 5 or 6 by now.
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Post by South West Claret. » Mon May 28, 2018 5:16 pm

I really can’t see much of a benefit long term for this trespass unless they are all very very keen real ale fans :)
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Post by lovebeingaclaret » Mon May 28, 2018 5:33 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:If this thread was about Muslims moving themselves into somewhere without permission, this would be on page 5 or 6 by now.

Some people are obsessed about racism or islamophobia.
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Post by tim_noone » Mon May 28, 2018 6:21 pm

Now left the building

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Post by LeadBelly » Mon May 28, 2018 6:23 pm

I wonder if anybody has ever totted up how much, nationwide, it costs Councils to clear up after travellers?
Doing a quick google finds a lot of local paper stories: eg one from 2017 from the Express & Star saying that it's cost West Midlands "more than £1 million per year"; one from a year earlier from a west London paper saying "Travellers have cost Hillingdon Council £200,000 in clean-up costs this year" etc etc etc with £20k here , 50k there on and on.
It must be in the tens of millions nationwide.
They largely get away with it despite what they do being entirely predictable. Couincils seem to prefer spending council tax money to clean up after the event rather than tackle at source.
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Post by Blackrod » Mon May 28, 2018 7:14 pm

The longer it goes on the more costs will be incurred and the Council can ask for a bigger budget the next year. By being lenient they also won't face any claims for treating a minority group unfairly. They ll probably be able to tick a few boxes on the equality form.

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Post by bfcjg » Mon May 28, 2018 7:33 pm

They trashed the kids park just of harold avenue on stoops they trashed hargher clough rec and just kept moving between the two places. Cost thousands to repair and clean up. The "leader" said they would leave Burnley only after his granddaughter had her baby at th Edith Watson so the counil let them stay. I cannot think of one benefit they bring to society. Anyone who sympahises with them wouldn't want them anyway near their house.
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Post by LoveCurryPies » Mon May 28, 2018 7:42 pm

Probably just gathering on the way to Appleby Gypsy Fair (7-10 June).

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Post by Stayingup » Mon May 28, 2018 7:46 pm

Reading these posts it is obvious to me that many people have lost faith in the police
And no wonder
They can't seem to.get too.much right. They are good though at putting their mobile speed cameras in unsuspecting places. That is one aspect of their work they are vèy asiduous about.

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Post by dpinsussex » Mon May 28, 2018 7:49 pm

Let's just fill the town travellers.at least all in one place and both have affinities for horses.

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Post by Stayingup » Mon May 28, 2018 7:49 pm

bfcjg wrote:They trashed the kids park just of harold avenue on stoops they trashed hargher clough rec and just kept moving between the two places. Cost thousands to repair and clean up. The "leader" said they would leave Burnley only after his granddaughter had her baby at th Edith Watson so the counil let them stay. I cannot think of one benefit they bring to society. Anyone who sympahises with them wouldn't want them anyway near their house.
Oh you'll find plenty of sympathisers and you will be castigated because of your lack.of understanding of these... well lovely freeloading people.

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Post by tim_noone » Mon May 28, 2018 7:52 pm

Stayingup wrote:Reading these posts it is obvious to me that many people have lost faith in the police
And no wonder
They can't seem to.get too.much right. They are good though at putting their mobile speed cameras in unsuspecting places. That is one aspect of their work they are vèy asiduous about.
Is speeding a criminal offence?

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Post by FactualFrank » Mon May 28, 2018 7:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Manpower?

They've always got the manpower if they really need it for this sort of thing.
More like horsepower.
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Post by boatshed bill » Mon May 28, 2018 8:00 pm

Stayingup wrote:Reading these posts it is obvious to me that many people have lost faith in the police
And no wonder
They can't seem to.get too.much right. They are good though at putting their mobile speed cameras in unsuspecting places. That is one aspect of their work they are vèy asiduous about.
I'm not sure there's much the police can do to stop this. Isn't it all about the landowners getting eviction orders?

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Post by Funkydrummer » Mon May 28, 2018 8:08 pm

I would advocate that they release the dray lads on them tomorrow when
they return to work.

I would pay to watch that.

Highly unlawful I know, but bloody good fun.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon May 28, 2018 8:25 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:And lets not refer to them as travellers. They are parasites, cockroaches, vermin, leaving behind as much $hit as they can. We've had an influx of them arrive over here since they were thrown out of Ireland.
The reason they are so hated is because they intentionally outcast themselves from society, don't contribute a penny but instead steal, litter and treat any area they are in with utter contempt. The whole purpose of their 'way of life' is to make it easier to get away with breaking the law.
Enough about the blackburn fans. What about the gypsies?
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Post by LoveCurryPies » Mon May 28, 2018 8:41 pm

Good to see there has been no stereotyping here. :lol:

Seriously, a small percentage are trouble. Many others just want to live a different lifestyle.
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Post by mybloodisclaret » Mon May 28, 2018 8:42 pm

Stayingup wrote:Reading these posts it is obvious to me that many people have lost faith in the police
And no wonder
They can't seem to.get too.much right. They are good though at putting their mobile speed cameras in unsuspecting places. That is one aspect of their work they are vèy asiduous about.
Private land.. police have no jurisdiction without court order. Any criminal offences should be investigated. damage theft etc

Struggled with the point about speed cameras though? dont speed no ticket. im pretty sure the guy in the speed van isnt a copper.

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Post by ontario claret » Mon May 28, 2018 9:25 pm

Left the building. Hope they took Elvis with them.

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Post by Funkydrummer » Mon May 28, 2018 9:31 pm

ontario claret wrote:Left the building. Hope they took Elvis with them.
Talking of which, where has that thread gone ?

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Post by MT03ALG » Mon May 28, 2018 10:45 pm

There appeared to be a whole load of caravans (travellers?) heading towards the end of the M65 in Colne at about 3.30 p.m., followed by a speeding police car with lights flashing....

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Post by tim_noone » Mon May 28, 2018 11:35 pm

MT03ALG wrote:There appeared to be a whole load of caravans (travellers?) heading towards the end of the M65 in Colne at about 3.30 p.m., followed by a speeding police car with lights flashing....
All quiet in kelbrook :shock:

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Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Tue May 29, 2018 12:08 am

mybloodisclaret wrote:Private land.. police have no jurisdiction without court order. Any criminal offences should be investigated. damage theft etc
Is that not similar to any private house then? Why could Thwaites not call the police, say they believe their building is being burgled and then the police can move in? What have I missed?

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Post by Grumps » Tue May 29, 2018 6:54 am

Stayingup wrote:Reading these posts it is obvious to me that many people have lost faith in the police
And no wonder
They can't seem to.get too.much right. They are good though at putting their mobile speed cameras in unsuspecting places. That is one aspect of their work they are vèy asiduous about.
Speed cameras are not operated by the police but by civilian staff so it doesn't have any bearing on police numbers

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Post by Caballo » Tue May 29, 2018 7:26 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:Good to see there has been no stereotyping here. :lol:

Seriously, many are trouble. A small percentage just want to live a different lifestyle.
Fixed that for you.
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Post by Longsider » Tue May 29, 2018 11:30 am

They moved on to some land near me that was owned by Tesco awaiting a new store development. They were booted off in under 48 hours. If they get in the way of big corporations they are swiftly dealt with. Not where they are but who's toes they step on.

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Post by SammyBoy » Tue May 29, 2018 11:41 am

Not being well acquainted with travellers, what's their objective by pitching up on private property? Setting up camp somewhere only to be booted off shortly afterwards seems like a colossal waste of time and effort.

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