Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

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Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue May 29, 2018 1:24 pm

This is a very big job for a first time manager and not sure how I'd feel if we got someone like this if we needed a new manager.

A huge name in football sure, but in management terms a total unknown quantity.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Tue May 29, 2018 1:29 pm

They really do seem to just chuck **** at a wall and hope it sticks at that club
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Lauren12 » Tue May 29, 2018 1:45 pm

I don't know why, but every time I hear the word 'Derby' and 'football' in the same sentence, I just start laughing.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Braindead » Tue May 29, 2018 1:48 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:This is a very big job for a first time manager and not sure how I'd feel if we got someone like this if we needed a new manager.

A huge name in football sure, but in management terms a total unknown quantity.
Two words: Chris Waddle
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Lord Beamish » Tue May 29, 2018 2:06 pm

Braindead wrote:Two words: Chris Waddle
Two words; Boutros, Boutros.
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Braindead » Tue May 29, 2018 2:08 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Two words; Boutros, Boutros.
Efe efe
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Mondsley » Tue May 29, 2018 2:12 pm

Football must be the only industry where pivotal appointments are made and the incumbent has no previous experience whatsoever of the role. I know you've all got to start somewhere but a grounding in coaching or managing a youth or U23 team would surely be the sensible route to first team management. Lampard was a great player but that doesn't mean he'll immediately make the transition to management. At the very least he will need an experienced assistant. I wish him well but fear it will all end in tears. It usually does at Derby anyway!
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Post by Blackrod » Tue May 29, 2018 2:15 pm

Won't last the length of appointment and won't get them promotion. It will get them a bit of publicity.

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Post by mikeS » Tue May 29, 2018 2:15 pm

The Derby saga continues...
Episode 693: Frankie walks the Derby Way
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue May 29, 2018 2:16 pm

Get Pardew in.

Kiss of death. :D :D

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by beddie » Tue May 29, 2018 2:17 pm

Great start for him if he takes it. There has to be some young Managers that make the grade and I just have a feeling Lamps could be one of them. Could be a good time to be a Derby fan.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue May 29, 2018 2:17 pm

They don't seem to know what they want, no consistency with the appointments.

Who knows how this will turn out but as someone said, it could be another Chris Waddle. Surely they needed someone with some experience.

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Post by wilks_bfc » Tue May 29, 2018 2:22 pm

Wonder what Sol thinks about this

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 29, 2018 2:53 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:This is a very big job for a first time manager
No it isn't.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by mdd2 » Tue May 29, 2018 2:53 pm

Maybe he will bring in his Uncle in to give him advice.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue May 29, 2018 3:08 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:No it isn't.
Yeah it is though isn't it, regardless of what you think of Derby County.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 29, 2018 3:14 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Yeah it is though isn't it, regardless of what you think of Derby County.
Are Derby a big club?
Not anymore.

Are Derby a stable, well run club?
Not even close.

Are Derby a gift that just keeps giving?
Yes, the annual bottle job.

Are Derby in need of some major work to their squad after over paying in wages for years?
Yes.

Are Derby bigger than someone like Boro?
Not really, unless you're basing it on their history.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Pearcey » Tue May 29, 2018 3:18 pm

Wouldn’t be surprised if John Terry was his first signing.

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Post by Funkydrummer » Tue May 29, 2018 4:06 pm

Two words - Martin Buchan.
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by claretspice » Tue May 29, 2018 4:13 pm

I don't necessarily think its too big a job for a first time appointment; he's got to start somewhere and an upwardly mobile second tier club who have been outside the top flight for more than a decade isn't a completely unreasonable starting point. I don't particularly follow the argument he ought to drop down to League 1 or below - he's never really played at that level, and so I wouldn't expect him to immediately have the tools to get the best out of players at that level.

I'm not sure the Chris Waddle comparison particularly works; with hindsight, nothing in Waddle's career marked him out as a potential manager of men - he'd not been a captain, nor an organiser, nor a particularly obvious tactical brain on the pitch. He was just a good player, whereas Lampard has always had a reputation for being a potential management material.

My worry for him, a bit like Gerrard, is that its all come a bit quick. The best young managers tend to spend a good couple of years coaching first before diving straight into management (see Sean Dyche). Lampard's spend a few months doing relatively ad hoc coaching at Chelsea in the junior teams.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Blackrod » Tue May 29, 2018 4:22 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Wonder what Sol thinks about this
Yes he has the same amount of managerial experience. Lampard probably wasn't arrogant at the interview though.

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Post by ecc » Tue May 29, 2018 4:22 pm

"I'm not sure the Chris Waddle comparison particularly works; with hindsight, nothing in Waddle's career marked him out as a potential manager of men - he'd not been a captain, nor an organiser, nor a particularly obvious tactical brain on the pitch."

Not sure there was any sign of a brain per se.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by claretspice » Tue May 29, 2018 4:30 pm

Apart from anything else, Waddle was known for being shy, retiring and a bit of a loner. How many football managers have had that sort of personality?

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by vancouverclaret » Tue May 29, 2018 4:42 pm

Is it just me or does it annoy anyone else? The saying "The Derby way" "The WestHam way" "The Swansea way"

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue May 29, 2018 4:47 pm

vancouverclaret wrote:Is it just me or does it annoy anyone else? The saying "The Derby way" "The WestHam way" "The Swansea way"
Bottle It Way, Blow Bubbles Way, The Welsh Way... :?

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue May 29, 2018 4:53 pm

Sam Allardyce is available, he brings a wealth of experience of stabilising clubs , winning promotion and keeping them in The Premier League. He is a manager with loads of contacts, coaches and networks... It might not be pretty football, but he's available right NOW! He is the man to give you the best chance of getting Derby County back into the Premier League.

Nah, Frank Lampard is more fashionable.
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Longsider » Tue May 29, 2018 5:59 pm

This has got Chris Waddle written all over it.

Just read all the post and see I am not the only one to think this.
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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Stayingup » Tue May 29, 2018 6:01 pm

mdd2 wrote:Maybe he will bring in his Uncle in to give him advice.
On how to write his name on a foreign bank account?

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by bfcjg » Tue May 29, 2018 6:48 pm

Two words Alan Shearer .

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue May 29, 2018 6:54 pm

Be all over by Christmas

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by EarbyClaret » Tue May 29, 2018 7:14 pm

The cuts to the playing budget are likely to rule out Allardyce.

Sense this is another club where the fans expectations of who they should be getting don't really match the reality. Moyes would be an excellent fit, especially if they are looking for some sort of continuity as he's an upgrade on Rowett with a similar, but better practiced approach.

Ipswich on the verge of appointing Hurst from Shrewsbury apparently - that looks like a better way to go.

Can easily see Lampard being appointed. Initial thoughts are that it won't go well, for all the reasons stated above, but as has been pointed out he's got an awful lot more going for him than Waddle and others who've taken their first steps under similar circumstances.

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Post by EarbyClaret » Tue May 29, 2018 7:15 pm

duplicated

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Post by piston broke » Tue May 29, 2018 7:20 pm

With the club cutting it’s cloth, according to the chairman, It’s going to be a difficult job for him. They weren’t good enough this year and they are going backwards.

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Post by FactualFrank » Tue May 29, 2018 7:21 pm

This has a big fat fail written all over it.

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Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue May 29, 2018 7:43 pm

[quote="Mondsley"]...appointments are made and the incumbent has no previous experience whatsoever...Lampard was a great player but that doesn't mean he'll immediately make the transition to management.../quote]

As always, there are exceptions to prove the rule, but overall the list of great/talented/skillful and particularly 'gifted' players who go on to become top/succesful Managers is relatively short, far more 'great' Managers were only ever very average/journeyman players and predominantly defenders too. I suspect that in part the problem's is in coaching: A journeyman/grafter who perhaps achieved more than his natural talent deserved kows how/what he did to achieve that success, whereas gifted footballers, indeed most sportsmen/women don't really know what/how they do what they do, they just can. Who's going to last longest, Lampard or Gerrard up in Glasgow?

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Post by Middle-agedClaret » Tue May 29, 2018 9:04 pm

I think its all about the Lampard name and image.
That and Christine Bleakley'
It will end badly for him and the club.

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Post by South West Claret. » Tue May 29, 2018 9:30 pm

So someone who has not worked as a football manager go’s for a job as a football manager, call me silly but isn’t he very much under exspieriened for the job? :D

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue May 29, 2018 10:29 pm

Lampard was a very good player but not purely because of talent. But because he was a very hard worker and maximised what he had.

He is also very intelligent. A hard worker as a player, with discipline and respect. A good communicator. A big name in the game and will no doubt have contacts. He has a number of reasons why he can be a success.

No reason he cant be a success.

Fair play to him for starting there.

You cant win at times. People on here slate sol campbell for not cutting his teeth. But at the same time slate lampard and gerrard.

At a time when young English coaches are few and far between. And the older ones are slated at any given opportunity I hope both Lampard and Gerrard make a success of it.

Zidane didnt start at the bottom. And hes become the most succesful champions league manager ever in his first job.

Good luck to lampard and gerrard.
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Post by conyoviejo » Tue May 29, 2018 10:32 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Lampard was a very good player but not purely because of talent. But because he was a very hard worker and maximised what he had.

He is also very intelligent. A hard worker as a player, with discipline and respect. A good communicator. A big name in the game and will no doubt have contacts. He has a number of reasons why he can be a success.

No reason he cant be a success.

Fair play to him for starting there.

You cant win at times. People on here slate sol campbell for not cutting his teeth. But at the same time slate lampard and gerrard.

At a time when young English coaches are few and far between. And the older ones are slated at any given opportunity I hope both Lampard and Gerrard make a success of it.

Zidane didnt start at the bottom. And hes become the most succesful champions league manager ever in his first job.

Good luck to lampard and gerrard.
And Everard..

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Post by South West Claret. » Tue May 29, 2018 10:34 pm

Zidane didnt start at the bottom. And hes become the most succesful champions league manager ever in his first job.

True but he is very much the exception and not the norm.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by tiger76 » Tue May 29, 2018 10:42 pm

Used too have to cut your teeth coaching reserves/under 23's or start at a lower level like Harry Kewell has at Crawley and Kevin Nolan at Notts County.
Derby is a tough gig first up,budget being squeezed demanding fans,can't see Lamps lasting the season.

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue May 29, 2018 10:56 pm

They were a bit unlucky that Rowett jumped ship to be fair. Good manager.

Now it seems they are going random again, Lampard has nothing on his CV to suggest he would do it. Dyche had an unlucky sacking at Watford, plus was taking over a side with lower expectations, even though we had been up 4 years earlier.

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Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 30, 2018 12:42 am

Admittedly I'm in the minority here, but in think He'll be OK

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Post by tiger76 » Wed May 30, 2018 8:50 am

boatshed bill wrote:Admittedly I'm in the minority here, but in think He'll be OK
It depends what Derby deem OK,say they are just outside the play-off places at xmas will that suffice for their deluded fanbase.

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Post by JTClaret » Wed May 30, 2018 1:19 pm

I do think this is a big job for a first timer.
However, I also have a feeling Lampard could be the one from that generation of England players who makes it as a good manager.

As for the Chris Waddle thing, it did cross my mind reading the OP, although then remembered we were a 3rd division team, not a Championship team that do well then bottle it.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 31, 2018 9:03 am

Derby have confirmed his appointment - three year contract

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Post by claretblue » Thu May 31, 2018 9:20 am

ClaretTony wrote:Derby have confirmed his appointment - three year contract
surely they should've let him 'cut his teeth' with the England job first! :roll:

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Post by tiger76 » Thu May 31, 2018 9:29 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:They were a bit unlucky that Rowett jumped ship to be fair. Good manager.

Now it seems they are going random again, Lampard has nothing on his CV to suggest he would do it. Dyche had an unlucky sacking at Watford, plus was taking over a side with lower expectations, even though we had been up 4 years earlier.
Rowett should have a good shout at taking Stoke back to the Prem straight away.Knows how to get results in the Championship even if the football isn't always the prettiest.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by LeadBelly » Thu May 31, 2018 9:39 am

I wonder how that affected the bookie's odds on promotion for Derby? I'm not sure what they prior to this announcement but The Rams are 9th favourites now at 6/1 with my bookie (behind, in order, Stoke, WBA, Swansea, Boro, Villa, Brentford, Blades & the mighty Leeds).

I guess things will change anyway as players come and go before 2018/19 but I'd've thought Derby become longer odds in the short term with such an inexperienced manager.
Can't wait for Sol to comment.

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Re: Lampard in talks to be Derby's manager

Post by ClaretTony » Thu May 31, 2018 9:41 am

I wouldn't expect Derby to be among the favourites given they've already said there will have to be some cost cutting, but it is a similar story with the statement at Villa yesterday. They too are cutting costs because they've overspent so much in the two seasons in the Championship they are going to have to cut their wage bill to come into line with FFP. That's the reason Terry has gone.

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