£300 to be a mascot

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:55 pm

Diesel wrote:We'd quickly run out of mascots.

I think teachers have it pretty hard with misbehaving kids, a job which requires a lot of patience and time put in for poorly raised kids to throw it back in the teachers face. A job i'd simply hate to do, I think some sort of incentive would help the kids and the teachers out.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm

KRBFC wrote:Like what? I'm certainly not saying they haven't, I'm just not aware of their work.

Have a quick look on their Facebook page.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:59 pm

thatdberight wrote:So its aims are on behalf of BFC, its two first-listed trustees are directors of BFC and most of (I'd guess nearly all of) its funding comes either directly or in kind from BFC [e.g. mascot deals at upwards of £10k /annum] but it's some sort of arms-length corporate identity? Okay....

Correct but it's still a separate organisiation, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to set itself up as a registered charity.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:01 pm

Honestly, your child will not die or even become ill if they aren't fortunate enough to do mascot duties at Turf Moor.

Trust me, they will be Okay.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:02 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So the BFC charity whose address is

is not part of Burnley FC?

Correct. It's a registered charity set up by BFC to work in the community and by being a registered charity it benefits from having access to funding etc which BFC would not have access to. An example of this is -

Burnley FC in the Community (BFCitC) has submitted a bid to the Calor Rural Community Fund with the aim of securing £2,500 to fund waterproof equipment and wellington boots for children visiting Whitehough Outdoor Centre.

Yearofthefox · Post by **Yearofthefox** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:03 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:Surely everyone has 300 quid spare if not I'd get another job

Think this is losing touch with reality slighty

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:04 pm

It's a separate organisation by registration only.

It's an extension of BFC, 100%

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:13 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's a separate organisation by registration only.

It's an extension of BFC, 100%

It's the official charity of BFC. So BFC doesn't benefit from the income generated by the Mascot scheme. All income will go through the accounts of the Charity to facilitate work in the community.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:16 pm

Leisure wrote:Correct but it's still a separate organisiation, otherwise it wouldn't have been able to set itself up as a registered charity.

I understand corporate structures, including charities. Thank you for being condescending. But (your words not mine) "which works... on behalf of BFC."

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:24 pm

A few stats about BFC in the Community -

Statistics

Total Individuals
25,529 Individuals have engaged with us over the last 12 months

Community investment
£ 2,407,240 Invested into communities over the last year

Schools
5,007 5-11-year-olds have engaged with our Premier League Primary Stars programme over the last 12 months

Improved Attitude
75% of pupils that completed our Premier League Enterprise programme reported improved attitude, motivation and understanding of business over the last year

Health Checks
233 Health checks have been conducted over the last year

Employment stat
80+ People are now employed by us

Extra Time and Walking Football
128 Senior citizens have engaged with our Extra Time and Walking Football programmes over the last 12 months

Enterprise
511 Year 9 pupils have taken part in our Premier League Enterprise programme over the last 12 months

Bookings
1,550 Young people have taken part in our football coaching programmes over the last year

Kicks
841 Individuals have engaged in the Premier League Kicks programme over the last 12 months

NCS
331 Young people have completed National Citizen Service (NCS) over the last year

Weight Loss
88 Stone in total has been lost by participants who have taken part in our Men's Healthy Weight Management programme over the last year

Education and employment stat
167 People accessed education, training and employment through our Turf Works programme over the last 12 months

Mens weight management
154 Individuals have taken part in the Men's Healthy Weight Management programme over the last year

Young Clarets
4,100+ 0-16-year-olds have signed up to our Young Clarets membership

Well done to BFC for facilitating all the above!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:27 pm

Still think £300 is good value!

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:48 pm

Bfc and bfc in the community are more or less the same company. Bfc fund them. It’s probably just a tax thing. The fact that bfc wont get the profit from the mascots is irrelevant. Bfc give bfc in the community funding, just give them 10k more and make mascots free.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:37 pm

Inchy wrote:Bfc and bfc in the community are more or less the same company. Bfc fund them. It’s probably just a tax thing. The fact that bfc wont get the profit from the mascots is irrelevant. Bfc give bfc in the community funding, just give them 10k more and make mascots free.

It's £300, get over it! You'll be wanting free season tickets next!

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:32 pm

Leisure wrote:It's £300, get over it! You'll be wanting free season tickets next!

I’m just sticking up for poor kids

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:30 pm

Inchy wrote:I’m just sticking up for poor kids

But how do you know that they want to be mascots?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:32 pm

thatdberight wrote:I understand corporate structures, including charities. Thank you for being condescending. But (your words not mine) "which works... on behalf of BFC."

I'm not being condescending! I'm just stating facts.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:13 pm

Leisure wrote:I'm not being condescending! I'm just stating facts.

Boring facts

Bfc and bfcitc are the same thing really.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:19 pm

Inchy wrote:Boring facts

Bfc and bfcitc are the same thing really.

Not really. One spends it's money on players, new training ground etc, whilst the other spends it's money on supporting the community (with support from the other).

PS - there's nothing like a good fact!

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:35 am

One spends its money on players the other spends bfcs money

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:32 am

im sorry but i cant believe that most people dont have a spare 300 quid in cash somewhere. and if they dont then they seriously need to reconsider why? there personal choices in life along the way must have been very poor.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:00 am

Inchy wrote:One spends its money on players the other spends bfcs money

Go on then, how much do the football club give to the charity?

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:20 am

pushpinpussy wrote:im sorry but i cant believe that most people dont have a spare 300 quid in cash somewhere. and if they dont then they seriously need to reconsider why? there personal choices in life along the way must have been very poor.

Are you really that ignorant or stupid to understand the issue ?
It’s not that they might have a few hundred pound - it’s the fact that it’s unlikely that they are going to spend the bulk of the little money they may have on a luxury like this when they may need it for basic things essentials or emergency bills etc.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:31 am

Leisure wrote:Go on then, how much do the football club give to the charity?

The accounts of both the football club and the charity show the club give them a considerable amount, and they also provide office space free of charge.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:51 am

Cut out all the merchandise and price it at about £25, means it is the price of a suitable present.
£300 takes it completely out of the reach of the children one should be encouraging to participate.
The gentrification of Burnley Football Club.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:06 am

Leisure wrote:Go on then, how much do the football club give to the charity?

Depends on how much the 80 people earn

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:06 am

Inchy wrote:Bfc and bfc in the community are more or less the same company. Bfc fund them. It’s probably just a tax thing. The fact that bfc wont get the profit from the mascots is irrelevant. Bfc give bfc in the community funding, just give them 10k more and make mascots free.

Looking at the info others have posted they only sell 10 mascot and escort spots, perhaps the 11th goes to a disadvantaged child?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:08 am

I understand that bfc in the community are technically a different company but in reality it all falls under the bfc umbrella. If bfc in the community choose to charge 300 quid then the club are allowing them to do it.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:38 pm

Burnley folk are all t same, want ought for nowt

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:40 pm

Forgot to add. Tight as a ducks arse

thelaughingclaret · Post by **thelaughingclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:41 pm

Now that we are in the premier league and in Europe isn’t it about time we charged £3,000 for a mascot and made the spots available exclusively to children of rich Arab or Chinese buisnessmen? We could give a couple of spots away for free but only to the children of rich sponsors who are most likely from china.
More money, money, money!

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:50 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:im sorry but i cant believe that most people dont have a spare 300 quid in cash somewhere. and if they dont then they seriously need to reconsider why? there personal choices in life along the way must have been very poor.

I’m saving up for a new watch.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:52 pm

Way way far to much.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:45 pm

Inchy wrote:I understand that bfc in the community are technically a different company but in reality it all falls under the bfc umbrella. If bfc in the community choose to charge 300 quid then the club are allowing them to do it.

Which is fine for those who can/want to pay the £300 but for those who can't there's always the £40 option.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:56 pm

Leisure wrote:Which is fine for those who can/want to pay the £300 but for those who can't there's always the £40 option.

Which isn’t the same experience

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:37 pm

Correct but it's an option which may be affordable to those who can't manage the £300.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:42 pm

Inchy wrote:Which isn’t the same experience

Sounds exactly the same but without material benefits to me

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:36 pm

starting_11 wrote:Sounds exactly the same but without material benefits to me

You don’t get to meet the players beforehand, you don’t get to have a kick about on the turf. All you do is hold a players hand whist walking out for about 3 minutes

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:42 pm

The '£40 option' requires the child to already own the full kit, and have tickets for the player escort and at least one guardian

£40
+
£40 Guardian ticket (JHU)
+
£20 Player Escort ticket (JHU)
+
£32 shirt
+
£13 shorts
+
£8 socks

= £153.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:49 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:The '£40 option' requires the child to already own the full kit, and have tickets for the player escort and at least one guardian

£40
+
£40 Guardian ticket (JHU)
+
£20 Player Escort ticket (JHU)
+
£32 shirt
+
£13 shorts
+
£8 socks

= £153.

That's starting to make the £300 look like good value for the full monty...

To be fair, most of the target audience will already have a ticket and someone with them who has a ticket. It would be going too far the other way to only charge £40 for £60 worth of tickets plus the hand-holding experience. I still think that, given there will definitely be 20+ people every year who want to make sure that their kids get to be the mascot, you could have 2 each game : one paying and one not paying. What extra do you get for the £300? Nothing - except a guarantee instead of your name in a hat.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:42 pm

I'm not buying the desperate attempts to separate the club and its charity arm here. This experience costs the club next to nothing and pricing it at this level as opposed to offering it to deserving recipients doesn't sit well with me particularly given the efforts the club goes to in promoting itself as being in touch with the local. community. I understand the supply and demand arguments too, but that's not really the point.

It surely wouldn't be too hard to devise some mechanism for rewarding kids for school achievement / charitable work or just offering it to kids who are otherwise having a tough time of it. You could maybe have half of the matches as give aways, half with a more reasonable price tag and an option for a charitable donation if the buyer is willing to make one.

If the reduced income for the charity is really that big an issue I'm pretty sure the club is in a good position to cover it right now.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:47 pm

thatdberight wrote:That's starting to make the £300 look like good value for the full monty...

To be fair, most of the target audience will already have a ticket and someone with them who has a ticket. It would be going too far the other way to only charge £40 for £60 worth of tickets plus the hand-holding experience. I still think that, given there will definitely be 20+ people every year who want to make sure that their kids get to be the mascot, you could have 2 each game : one paying and one not paying. What extra do you get for the £300? Nothing - except a guarantee instead of your name in a hat.

They have 4 mascots and 6 escorts available per game and it sells out. Sounds like they priced it for the market.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:58 pm

deanothedino wrote:They have 4 mascots and 6 escorts available per game and it sells out. Sounds like they priced it for the market.

Ripping people off I say.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:03 pm

Sometimes I thinks to myself it was so much better when we were in the lower leagues. The moaning that goes on by self righteous people on here is getting embarrassing.
Burnley Football Club is an incredibly run club and as far as I am concerned the pricing of all activities seems to be realistic. In fact we seem to have a premier football team with league 2 fans.
If you can't afford something no one is forcing you to buy it.
There's loads off things I would like to buy and if I can't afford it I can forget it or save up.
Some folk need to get a life.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:24 pm

19 Home games = 19 mascots and this thread has become a social complexity of rich and poor, advantaged or disadvantaged, charity or profit. The summer months on here can be bonkers at times. I think I need more Donald and Mr Kim to lighten up my day!

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:10 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Ripping people off I say.

Well, as long as the parents of 76 children over the course of a season continue to disagree with you the price will probably stay the same.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:13 pm

deanothedino wrote:Well, as long as the parents of 76 children over the course of a season continue to disagree with you the price will probably stay the same.

Or go up.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:08 pm

deanothedino wrote:Well, as long as the parents of 76 children over the course of a season continue to disagree with you the price will probably stay the same.

It’s not 76 who could afford it... but the parents that could not.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:35 pm

South West Claret. wrote:It’s not 76 who could afford it... but the parents that could not.

Great idea. We pick 76 children whose parents cannot afford the fee, then we pick the next 76 for the following season, etc.

When all the children whose parents cannot afford the fee have had their day we start again. Hopefully this will guarantee Burnley FC will remain in the Premier for the next 100 years or so in order that we can get them all fit in.

Its best to sod the poor kids whose parents work overtime and have worked hard all their lives to provide a bit extra for their kids ... why should they have the special day.

We could take this further ... why should well paid multi millionaire footballers kids get to walk on the Turf after the last game of the season. Shouldn't we force them to adopt kids whose parents cannot afford the fee for at least one day ... in fact what about for all time. Obviously, once adopted they should have no rights to be a mascot, especially as their peers who still have parents who cannot afford the fee will be waiting their turn.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:40 pm

Can a 30 year old man be a mascot? Asking for a friend.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:49 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Can a 30 year old man be a mascot? Asking for a friend.

Probably arrange it but the strip may be a little tight.

Your, erm, friend. I assume his mum and dad can't afford it?