Hardest & Softest Burnley players

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by starting_11 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:04 am

Vino blanco wrote:Starting 11, I don't think Ben Mee is hard, he is just a very good, strong and tough, honest defender. There is a difference.
I disagree. I also think your parochial lifestyle (no doubt living the 10th generation on the same council estate) leads you to believe that only people like Vinny Jones or Roy Keane etc who "SHOW" they're a hard man means they are.

Just because Mee doesn't go looking for it, I don't doubt for a second he'd be there to kick the **** out of someone to defend his team, as well as taking kicks to the head to defend the ball.

Idiot.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:10 am

Vino blanco wrote:Coyote wrote 'Barnes is one tough cookie'. Jesus Christ, compared to Lochhead and O'Neil he's a f.cking powder puff, falling down down non stop and trying to get free kicks and sticking his elbows out at the wrong time. You have to realise that Lochhead was a forward playing against people like Tommy Smith. Dave Mackay, Ron Harris, etc, who were just dirty bastards, who would kick you before you touched the ball, add to that list Norman Hunter and Nobby Stiles, cowards the lot of them (but dirty and hard). Anyway, another Burnley hard man, who needs adding to the list and who may surprise some of you, was John Angus, a cultured full back, who never forgot an enemy (Terry Paine at Southampton for example). Colin Blant started off as a centre forward, who wasn't good enough, so he was moved to centre half, where he was useless, so lacking in defensive skills and nous, he just decided to kick people instead. Not hard, just stupid.
yes i did write that, and qualified it by referring to it being a different era.
Some of those players you mentioned we came up against were 5 foot nothing, scrawny , tiny little men. do your homework.
Easy to build myths, but the reality is not what you want.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Vino blanco » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:15 am

I think your type-casting of my situation is slightly incorrect. I actually live in a five bed roomed, four bath roomed, house over looking the Mediterranean on the Costa del Sol in Spain. So not quite certain where this council estate malarkey fits in. Anyway, I wish you good night and sleep well.
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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Quicknick » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:08 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:Don't recall him personally but I'm sure I've been told Brian O'neil was hard. Young Mick Docherty never took any prisoners either.
I don't think anyone post late 70's can be included, just because the game has changed so much.
The same works in reverse. No one pre late 70's can be considered soft, actually I'd go so far as to say pre millennium.
When Brian O'Neil's Southampton career finished he dropped into non-league football. A friend of mine [a former Torquay United player] played against him. He said O'Neil was the hardest player he'd ever played against. One tackle almost cut him in half.
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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by South West Claret. » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Quicknick wrote:When Brian O'Neil's Southampton career finished he dropped into non-league football. A friend of mine [a former Torquay United player] played against him. He said O'Neil was the hardest player he'd ever played against. One tackle almost cut him in half.

Was that against Bideford A.F.C. QN?

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Quicknick » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:36 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Was that against Bideford A.F.C. QN?
It may well have been. I'll ask my friend. His name is Ben Murphy.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by South West Claret. » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:18 pm

Quicknick wrote:It may well have been. I'll ask my friend. His name is Ben Murphy.
Well I only ask because on his wiki page it says he had a connection at Bideford as his last club but with ? Marks though.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:40 pm

For a small statured bloke, Brian O'Neil was as hard as they come. Never shied away from anything.
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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by holdyourfire » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:21 pm

Keith Newton was very much the same as John Angus very good at tackling,but good at being dirty without being caught.
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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:35 pm

Probably under-rated at the time, and not mentioned as yet on here.
Lay preacher Dave Merrington was a hard man in a hard era.
A better footballer than Blant - but equally hard I reckon.
I'd have to put Lochead, Harris and O'Neil ahead of those two though.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by happyclaret17 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:28 pm

Gerry Gow was a nasty piece of work.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Claret&Green » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:41 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:An interesting watch in it's own right, but the link shows Mick Docherty's tackle on
Hutchison circa 36 seconds.

Is that hard or dirty ? You be the judge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZHCyrPh1Bc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That was hard, Hutchinson, like many others didn't wear shin pads so partly to blame himself for that small cut. Clever little free kick from Flynn & James at end.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by TVC15 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:04 pm

In my lifetime hardest were probably Peter Swan and Ronnie Jepson

Softest (and one of shi-ttest) was Nick Pickering.....though he did once tell me to f-uck off when I told him he wasn't very good in an away game we lost at Leeds Road. Anyone who remembers that game / ground the Burnley fans were stood behind the goal and very close to the players...hence Prickering being close enough to pick me out !!!!

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:47 pm

TVC15 wrote:In my lifetime hardest were probably Peter Swan and Ronnie Jepson

Softest (and one of shi-ttest) was Nick Pickering.....though he did once tell me to f-uck off when I told him he wasn't very good in an away game we lost at Leeds Road. Anyone who remembers that game / ground the Burnley fans were stood behind the goal and very close to the players...hence Prickering being close enough to pick me out !!!!
to be fair, I would also have told you the same thing if you chose to tell me how badly I'd played in a game.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Vintage Claret » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:22 pm

Peter Noble was quite hard I seem to recall.

Softest, wouldn't like to say as I never like to diss Burnley players past or present (but their names may have already been mentioned in this thread) ;-)

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by HB Claret » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:25 pm

Great topic - always thought O’Neil was pretty hard - along with Mick Docherty. One who springs to mind as being a bit soft was Ray Hankin as he seemed pretty lightweight for a big lad.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by TVC15 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:42 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:to be fair, I would also have told you the same thing if you chose to tell me how badly I'd played in a game.
Did you ever see him play ?
He was a disgrace to the shirt - not just in that game but in every game he played for Burnley.
And the reason he was a disgrace was not because he was a poor player (and boy he was sh-it) it was because he had zero desire. He was stealing a wage and Burnley fans like me were travelling the country to watch him and spending our wages to see the likes of him not give a sh-it.
Telling me to f-uck off was the only bit of passion we saw from him at his time at the club.

Where we are now as a club / team could not be any further away from some of the teams / players we had to watch in the past.....which is why when I see fans criticising the likes of Dave Jones, Arfield, Hendrick etc i assume they are too young to have seen the likes of Nick Pickering !

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by get stuck in tracy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:31 am

John Deary, Warren Joyce and Joe Jacob quite liked to "put a foot in".

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by cblantfanclub » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:57 am

In a time when keepers where often challenged physically Adam Blacklaw took no prisoners. Known to even chase the odd centre forward back up the field and once laid out a Rovers pitch invader. He took no nonsense.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by The Vin » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:12 pm

Deary, Joyce, Swan, Jakub, Ball, Jepson, Payton

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:28 pm

Having read most of the posts on here I think the players from the 60s where much more physical tackles were tolerated in a more physical game could be considered the hardest in general.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Diesel » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:49 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Having read most of the posts on here I think the players from the 60s where much more physical tackles were tolerated in a more physical game could be considered the hardest in general.
So you've taken it on yourself to decide?

I cannot find anywhere on this thread where it says that, you, South West Claret, will make his decision just before 12:30pm on Wednesday the 13th of June 2018.
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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by SlidingTackle » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:00 pm

Steve Kindon? Ade Akinbiyi?

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:04 pm

Diesel wrote:So you've taken on yourself to decide?

I cannot find anywhere on this thread where it says that, you, South West Claret, will make his decision just before 12:30pm on Wednesday the 13th of June 2018.
Irrelevant...Go troll somewhere else.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by ants_g » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:43 pm

My former manager (Mick Wood) played for Blackburn and Bradford amongst others and said the hardest man he played with or against was Adam Blacklaw. No question about it.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Boll ewood » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:00 am

Can't be

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Boll ewood » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:04 am

Can't believe no one as mentioned Brian jenson as the softest player to play for us. For the size of him and called beast he was a right pancy. The amount of times a cross would come into the box and would flap at it when for his size he should of been taking out everybody thst was in his way to collect the cross. Big soft lump.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by Boll ewood » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:05 am

Can't believe no one as mentioned Brian jenson as the softest player to play for us. For the size of him and called beast he was a right pancy. The amount of times a cross would come into the box and would flap at it when for his size he should of been taking out everybody thst was in his way to collect the cross. Big soft lump.
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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by bobinho » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:14 pm

My Dad used to say Andy Lochead was a machine. He also mentioned Brian O Neill as being as tough as old boots.

My era? Bally. Or maybe Ronnie Jepson.

As for softest, beast. Biggest bloke in the world ever, but frightened to death of approaching forwards.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by JTClaret » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:13 pm

I don't think Ben Mee is hard.
I do however think he would win my vote for bravest

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:00 pm

happyclaret17 wrote:Gerry Gow was a nasty piece of work.
Except by the time he played for us, they had already gone past half a minute before his lunge!

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:01 pm

Different eras.

Recent times, big girls blouse award goes to Stanislas.

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Re: Hardest & Softest Burnley players

Post by JinkingJames » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:48 pm

70s
Hardest Little Billy Ingham his toe to toe with Alan Ball was legendary. Softest Paul Fletcher

80s
Hardest Billy Hamilton and Wooshy Joe Jakub Softest - Martin Buchan (apparently)

90s

Hardest John Deary Softest - Tin man used to fall over a lot

00s

Hardest Kevin Ball Softest - Guerrero


10s


Hardest Ben Mee Softest - Brian Easton absolute pants at Watford when we lost 3 =1 Dyche exploited him mercilessly

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