Great news from Singapore

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:04 pm

If the deal is what we are told it is going to be then all the anti Trump people must be feeling silly, well done Don.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:23 pm

And if it isn’t?

Are you going to feel like the monumental bell-end you look for posting this so quickly with so little detail?

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:29 pm

From what I can see I would suggest that the North Koreans have played a blinder. Let’s just be thankful for the prospect of peace.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:30 pm

What are we being told the deal is?

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:33 pm

He seems to have made more progress than any previous US Administration since 1950

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Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:39 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:He seems to have made more progress than any previous US Administration since 1950

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You mean like making healthcare less affordable?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:40 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:He seems to have made more progress than any previous US Administration since 1950

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It's tentative and dictators are changeable and notoriously temperamental but the summit is very much a positive and should be welcomed all over the globe for what it represents.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:41 pm

Or it could be met with silliness, insolence and a refusal to acknowledge the achievements.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:41 pm

I completely agree, though Trump appears to have forgotten to tell South Korea that he was agreeing to cancel their joint military exercise.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:58 pm

I'm not going to plough in lauding it as either great news or terrible news.

We will know in the fullness of time whether anything was achieved here.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:38 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I completely agree, though Trump appears to have forgotten to tell South Korea that he was agreeing to cancel their joint military exercise.

Just imagine the fridge magnet on the Trump's private residence in the White House:

Things To Do

1. Address Congress
2. Remember to be President
3. Meet with Kim
4. Feed Melania
5. Cancel Joint Military Exercise with South Koreans

etc etc

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:44 pm

I think 4) should be "let Melania out of the basement"

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:51 pm

One’s view on how good the agreement is depends on how strongly you believe North Korea will adhere to it. Personally, I’m not totally convinced as yet; IMO, it depends on China backing it and keeping Kim in his box.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:56 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:He seems to have made more progress than any previous US Administration since 1950

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He's also given legitimacy to a leader who starves his people, puts them into concentration camps, and assassinate his own family members using nerve agents in other sovereign countries.

Actually, they probably got along just as well as Trump does with Putin. Kindred spirits.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think 4) should be "let Melania out of the basement"

Surely he just feeds her in the basement?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:59 pm

I think Kim will want out of that box asap and he will be desperate to make it happen.

Singapore was a great place for the summit, as it's basically a successful Communist state like NK aspires to be. It would have opened his eyes to a success story. I'll bet he can picture the first Sands casino, McDonald's and Trump hotel opening in Pyongyang already!

He was loving his wander round yesterday.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:59 pm

I don't think his tiny hands can manage both the stairs and the food to be honest.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:01 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's also given legitimacy to a leader who starves his people, puts them into concentration camps, and assassinate his own family members using nerve agents in other sovereign countries.

Actually, they probably got along just as well as Trump does with Putin. Kindred spirits.

Yeah, I wish he'd have been overthrown by a mad bloodthirsty general who would have started chucking nukes at south Korea instead!!!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I completely agree, though Trump appears to have forgotten to tell South Korea that he was agreeing to cancel their joint military exercise.

Or the US military https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nort ... SKBN1J812W" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:11 pm

Jeez

Well, on the plus point of that if he does declare war he'll probably will forget to tell the military first.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:59 pm

2 lunatics running two huge countries and change their mind every time they wake up.

The only constant thing is their weird hair.

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He's also given legitimacy to a leader who starves his people, puts them into concentration camps, and assassinate his own family members using nerve agents in other sovereign countries.

Actually, they probably got along just as well as Trump does with Putin. Kindred spirits.

No difference when Obama went to Cuba.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:28 pm

starting_11 wrote:Yeah, I wish he'd have been overthrown by a mad bloodthirsty general who would have started chucking nukes at south Korea instead!!!

Lol. Its strange the type of people you choose to unquestioningly believe.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:29 pm

ebby wrote:No difference when Obama went to Cuba.

Cuba was being oppressed by America for no other reason than they were communist. Obama worked to end that oppression.

Cuba also had and has a world class health care system, and didn't have concentration camps.

Frankly it's ridiculous you'd even attempt to compare the two.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:54 pm

'It's tentative and dictators are changeable and notoriously temperamental'

Yes, but what about Kim Jong Un?

ColonelCool · Post by **ColonelCool** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:58 pm

Socrates wrote:And if it isn’t?

Are you going to feel like the monumental bell-end you look for posting this so quickly with so little detail?

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Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:09 pm

LordBob wrote:If the deal is what we are told it is going to be then all the anti Trump people must be feeling silly, well done Don.

why ? Trumps a ******* idiot

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:09 pm

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Cuba was being oppressed by America for no other reason than they were communist. Obama worked to end that oppression.

Cuba also had and has a world class health care system, and didn't have concentration camps.

Frankly it's ridiculous you'd even attempt to compare the two.

If ever a post highlighted your absolute total bias and hypocrisy, then this is it. His comparison is totally legitimate and you know it.
They didn;t have concentration camps, sure, so we can totally ignore that they carried out somewhere between 5000 and 15,000 political executions since the revolution, as well as forced thousands of people into labour camps and operated a regime so terrible that 1.2 MILLION people fled as refugees.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:59 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:If ever a post highlighted your absolute total bias and hypocrisy, then this is it. His comparison is totally legitimate and you know it.
They didn;t have concentration camps, sure, so we can totally ignore that they carried out somewhere between 5000 and 15,000 political executions since the revolution, as well as forced thousands of people into labour camps and operated a regime so terrible that 1.2 MILLION people fled as refugees.

Did I say we can totally ignore it? There was a lot wrong with Cuba, and there still is, but they're nothing like NK who starves it's own people deliberately. (for example)

If you want to talk about bias then look at how the right reacted to Obama visiting Cuba and how they're reacting to Trump's meeting with Kim.

And its nice to see you getting concerned about refugees, finally.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Did I say we can totally ignore it? There was a lot wrong with Cuba, and there still is, but they're nothing like NK who starves it's own people deliberately. (for example)

If you want to talk about bias then look at how the right reacted to Obama visiting Cuba and how they're reacting to Trump's meeting with Kim.

And its nice to see you getting concerned about refugees, finally.

I never criticised Obama over Cuba, not once. Just because some republicans and right wing personalities are hypocrites doesn't mean the feeling on the wider right equates to that concensus.

Also, I have always been concerned about refugees, but mostly my concern was too many arriving to the UK.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:30 pm

That isn't going to change whether we are in or out of the EU btw.

You are aware of that surely?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:55 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I never criticised Obama over Cuba, not once. Just because some republicans and right wing personalities are hypocrites doesn't mean the feeling on the wider right equates to that concensus.

Also, I have always been concerned about refugees, but mostly my concern was too many arriving to the UK.

Do you even know what you're trying to say?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:56 pm

LordBob wrote:If the deal is what we are told it is going to be then all the anti Trump people must be feeling silly, well done Don.

Care to share what the deal is?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Do you even know what you're trying to say?

Was my post not clear? LC seems to understand it well enough, though I'm not sure why he brought up the EU

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:02 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Was my post not clear? LC seems to understand it well enough, though I'm not sure why he brought up the EU

Well, you implied that I'd said or suggested that you criticised Obama. I don't believe I did.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:13 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:From what I can see I would suggest that the North Koreans have played a blinder. Let’s just be thankful for the prospect of peace.

Oh and what is it that you can see?

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:24 am

To quote a letter in yesterdays Telegraph:
If President Trump found Shergar, Madeline Mccann, The Arc of the Covenant and got Isreal & Iran to hold a joint street party, journalists would say he poluted the air with global warming because of his flights.

By contrast, if Obama had a cheeky meal for two at Nandos with his wife, the MSM would demand the Nobel Peace Prize.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:43 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Did I say we can totally ignore it? There was a lot wrong with Cuba, and there still is, but they're nothing like NK who starves it's own people deliberately. (for example)

If you want to talk about bias then look at how the right reacted to Obama visiting Cuba and how they're reacting to Trump's meeting with Kim.

And its nice to see you getting concerned about refugees, finally.

Maybe you should be asking why Obama didn't go to NK then instead of Cuba ?

barba · Post by **barba** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:15 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Maybe you should be asking why Obama didn't go to NK then instead of Cuba ?

Sadly IT with his deep interest in politics had succumbed to such a polarised partisan position.

I doubt you will ever get praise or condemnation for anyone other than those he supports or opposes respectively.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:23 am

ebby wrote:To quote a letter in yesterdays Telegraph:
If President Trump found Shergar, Madeline Mccann, The Arc of the Covenant and got Isreal & Iran to hold a joint street party, journalists would say he poluted the air with global warming because of his flights.

By contrast, if Obama had a cheeky meal for two at Nandos with his wife, the MSM would demand the Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama at least tried to cut gun crime in the States whereas Trump has done nothing in that respect.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:29 am

Its no shock to me find that biggest mentalists on here are fans of Trump.

Says a hell of a lot

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:53 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Maybe you should be asking why Obama didn't go to NK then instead of Cuba ?

Why?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:53 am

Trump the new Chamberlain

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:59 am

ebby wrote:To quote a letter in yesterdays Telegraph:
If President Trump found Shergar, Madeline Mccann, The Arc of the Covenant and got Isreal & Iran to hold a joint street party, journalists would say he poluted the air with global warming because of his flights.

By contrast, if Obama had a cheeky meal for two at Nandos with his wife, the MSM would demand the Nobel Peace Prize.

Remember when Obama once wore a tan coloured suit and the right in America tried to make it a scandal? Or the time he saluted while holding a coffee in his hand?

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:34 am

Nitpicking Turtle, I thought you could put a better argument forwards.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:24 am

Spijed wrote:Obama at least tried to cut gun crime in the States whereas Trump has done nothing in that respect.

Mr. Average might get credit for being well-meaning but incompetent. Presidents don't.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:50 am

ebby wrote:Nitpicking Turtle, I thought you could put a better argument forwards.

I could, but I give less time to people who make **** up and cry as if they're victims.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:04 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:He seems to have made more progress than any previous US Administration since 1950

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Not really, we've been here before in 1993 and what came of that? (spoiler alert, nothing)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:57 pm

Fun true fact: North Korea previously pledged denuclearization in 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016. Each pledge was a lie.