World cup thread

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:12 pm

tiger76 wrote:It reminds you of the Champions League group stages,when the seeded teams coast through the group,the real competition doesn't start till the KO'S,would have been daylight robbery if England hadn't won that game but we never do things the easy way,Belgium will tonk this Tunisian side though.

Yeah it's terrible to see these minnow teams outmatched in group stages of the big competitions, I admire the Mexican intent, tried to win from the first whistle these amateurs just played for a horrible draw which wouldn't help them at all.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:13 pm

That was a very suspect refereeing performance.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:13 pm

conyoviejo wrote:Trips MOM for me..

Was going to post in Trips thread but will keep it here.

England’s Kieran Trippier created six goalscoring opportunities tonight, more than any other player has managed so far in the 2018 World Cup.
From BBC thread they are calling him the M66 Cafu.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:13 pm

expoultryboy wrote:When we played city , Delph played really well at left back . Cahill , cheek and rashford in for maguire , lingard and sterling please

Loftus-Cheek very good, made a difference

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:14 pm

expoultryboy wrote:When we played city , Delph played really well at left back . Cahill , cheek and rashford in for maguire , lingard and sterling please

Yes I'd go with that.

Although I think that Vardy would have made a right mess of Tunisia tonight.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:16 pm

fatboy47 wrote:lol

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:20 pm

Good perfomance and win overall. First 25/30mins very good. Penalty very very soft. 2 not given in Englands favour. 2 goals for Harry. 3 points. Great start.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:23 pm

Quite impressed with the England players interviews after the game. Seem a decent lot.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:Yeah it's terrible to see these minnow teams outmatched in group stages of the big competitions, I admire the Mexican intent, tried to win from the first whistle these amateurs just played for a horrible draw which wouldn't help them at all.

That's the Mexico that are ranked higher than your beloved Italy and Netherlands?

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:30 pm

Well played and deserved victory

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:31 pm

Another impressive thrashing of the opposition in a major competition...an England victory never in doubt

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:34 pm

What a load of poop I'm reading here. England were excellent first half, patient second half and well deserved their win.

Tunisia were cynical and the referee 'team' bordering on corrupt.

It was a decent start.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:38 pm

Japebe43 wrote:What a load of poop I'm reading here. England were excellent first half, patient second half and well deserved their win.

Tunisia were cynical and the referee 'team' bordering on corrupt.

It was a decent start.

Totally agree.

First half we could and should have been 3 or 4 up, I’m unconvinced by their pen and we should have had two for the fouls on Kane.

Second half the three lions were heavy on them and you could see they were panicking, but we pulled it in the end. Thoroughly deserved win against a team of time wasting, anti-football, niggly John Beck/Aidy Boothroyd-Esque no hopers.

BELIEVE

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:39 pm

Japebe43 wrote:What a load of poop I'm reading here. England were excellent first half, patient second half and well deserved their win.

Tunisia were cynical and the referee 'team' bordering on corrupt.

It was a decent start.

If you say so

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:41 pm

A very good England performance against a side who wanted to play the officials, the clock, everything but football.

VAR is a joke, watching every game this world cup I've seen two cases of it used well, a dozen cases of it used poorly and two dozen case of it not being used where it should have.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:41 pm

jedi_master wrote:Totally agree.

First half we could and should have been 3 or 4 up, I’m unconvinced by their pen and we should have had two for the fouls on Kane.

Second half the three lions were heavy on them and you could see they were panicking, but we pulled it in the end. Thoroughly deserved win against a team of time wasting, anti-football, niggly John Beck/Aidy Boothroyd-Esque no hopers.

BELIEVE

I think the humidity played a part as the game went on. Thankfully I think the other games will be played at a kinder climate.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:43 pm

South West Claret. wrote:If you say so

I do.

levraiclaret · Post by **levraiclaret** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:44 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yes I'd go with that.

Although I think that Vardy would have made a right mess of Tunisia tonight.

My Leicester supporting mates tell me Alli doesn't pass to Vardy.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:46 pm

South West Claret. wrote:If you say so

Some people are more intelligent than normal football fans. I mean as Burnley fans everybody on this messageboard knows that the underdog sometimes have there day. The bigger “better” teams don’t always win. Yet alone win easily. We weren't just gonna stroll this game. England put in a good performance and got a win. Something that the germans, brazilians, argies, spanish can not say.

Well done England!!

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:47 pm

Japebe43 wrote:I do.

Jolly de

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:47 pm

You don't just wholesale change the amount of starters some are asking for on here, that would be foolish. South gate is the manager, let him manage. So far 1 game.. 3 points.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:48 pm

Dyched wrote:Some people are more intelligent than normal football fans. I mean as Burnley fans everybody on this messageboard knows that the underdog sometimes have there day. The bigger “better” teams don’t always win. Yet alone win easily. We weren't just gonna stroll this game. England put in a good performance and got a win. Something that the germans, brazilians, argies, spanish can not say.

Well done England!!

Amazing how some people see a game

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:49 pm

Dyched wrote:Some people are more intelligent than normal football fans. I mean as Burnley fans everybody on this messageboard knows that the underdog sometimes have there day. The bigger “better” teams don’t always win. Yet alone win easily. We weren't just gonna stroll this game. England put in a good performance and got a win. Something that the germans, brazilians, argies, spanish can not say.

Well done England!!

+ 2 goals for our main striker, taking pressure right off him.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:52 pm

The flies had more impact than Sterling. Stones, Henderson, Trippier and Kane were very good. Couple/few changes more urgency and the confidence that will come from that win and there's a decent tournament side in there

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:53 pm

Harry Kane took his goals well and is clinical. Sterling was disappointing again and I think there is better on the bench than him and Lingard. I'd like to have seen the pundits views of the second half without that winner.

Lauren12 · Post by **Lauren12** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:53 pm

It just is so baffling when you can clearly see Kane slam dunked to the floor each and every time we had a corner - WTF are the VAR officials doing - after the first time it happened and replays clearly showed it, you'd think they'd be watching for it the next time, erm, and the next time. But no, strangely, none of them seemed to see anything. This after we've all been told repeatedly they're gonna clamp down on this sort of thing.

Oh, and Sterling. Don't quite know where to start, cos all the 'experts' keep telling us he's a genius, and that Spanish chap keeps picking him up front for City, but I just don't get it. Yes, I know he can f'kin run fast, but when he keeps imitating that cartoon character 'road runner' (meep meep) and sets off running somewhere only to then remember he should've taken the ball with him, or he simply has to slide the ball home into an empty net from 3 yards out but manages to tackle himself and fall over, I still just don't get it.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:55 pm

Blackrod wrote:Harry Kane took his goals well and is clinical. Sterling was disappointing again and I think there is better on the bench than him and Lingard. I'd like to have seen the pundits views of the second half without that winner.

What would you make of Burnley performances had we finished 20th?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:56 pm

We should have been out of sight at half time but a bit of daft defending and the people in the VAT truck "nipping out for 5" we would have.

Lots of positives, and both Rashford and Loftus-Cheek gave Southgate a bit of a selection headache.

Made up for Trips, thought Henderson was magnificent. Only low point really is that I thought Young was poor.

Still, exhilarating first twenty minutes is something that you never associate with England, so happy tonight!

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:56 pm

Sterling was offside anyway. What difference does it make?

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:58 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Still, exhilarating first twenty minutes is something that you never associate with England, so happy tonight!

Yes.. Really gives southgate something to highlight and build upon.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:00 pm

Tall Paul wrote:That's the Mexico that are ranked higher than your beloved Italy and Netherlands?

It doesn't matter where Mexico are ranked, they're a good side but they were outmatched heading into the game against Germany but showed no fear and showed their intent to go and win the game, very impressive. I don't know why you say my beloved Italy/Netherlands, I told you I'm 1/10th Portuguese, my great great great Grandma had a Portuguese cat.

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:01 pm

Just about averted an absolute travesty.

Totally deserved the win and we looked really good at times. Hopefully we’ll see some sharper finishing against Panama and then anything can happen.

Well done England.

bfc1984 · Post by **bfc1984** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:02 pm

Think them who are calling us are more anti-England if anything.Yes not as good 2nd half but overall there performance was better than the likes of France,Argentina and Germany and even Brazil! The first match is the hardest nerves and the opposing team wants a point that first game.They will get better imo but overall very pleased and seriously think we can at least do last 8.Two disappointing things was sterling and the fullbacks on freekicks surely Kane can take these it baffles me.would go with vardy next time for sterling

Lauren12 · Post by **Lauren12** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:06 pm

I'm not just on about he's offside goal, it's his general all round play. I've a pal who watches City every week and he says Sterling misses 5 or 6 sitters for each goal he scores. Hope I'm proved wrong and he's sensational in this WC but I just can't see it.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:08 pm

Lauren12 wrote:I'm not just on about he's offside goal, it's his general all round play. I've a pal who watches City every week and he says Sterling misses 5 or 6 sitters for each goal he scores. Hope I'm proved wrong and he's sensational in this WC but I just can't see it.

I think his pace is a key asset to this england side.

Lauren12 · Post by **Lauren12** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:14 pm

I agree, the pace in this young England side going forward is a real threat, I just think Sterling should be offering a bit more. So frustrating at times.

Thought we played well tonight though. Love to see Loftus-Cheek and Rashford get a run out. Kanes' class, get the ball in the box and he'll score against anyone.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:17 pm

Sterling, Rashford and Lingard are all kids playing as minor players alongside class stars for their clubs.
All three rely on space and pace. If the opposition sit back they are pointless. The problem being we don’t have a Peter Beardsley or Teddy Sheringham who can take the ball into feet and play cute balls through the lines. With England it is all pace and deadballs.

Southgate has to be getting into the officiating committee about the two Kane pen. appeals.
If they are not pens we can all do it. If they are pens make sure the refs and var know for future games.

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:27 pm

piston broke wrote:Sterling, Rashford and Lingard are all kids playing as minor players alongside class stars for their clubs.
All three rely on space and pace. If the opposition sit back they are pointless. The problem being we don’t have a Peter Beardsley or Teddy Sheringham who can take the ball into feet and play cute balls through the lines. With England it is all pace and deadballs.

Southgate has to be getting into the officiating committee about the two Kane pen. appeals.
If they are not pens we can all do it. If they are pens make sure the refs and var know for future games.

No point moaning about what we don't have, we are what we are.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:32 pm

Japebe43 wrote:No point moaning about what we don't have, we are what we are.

Certainly not moaning about it just pointing out Southgate is short of an option because we don’t have that style of player.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:09 pm

Thoroughly deserved the win for a first half performance which was one of, if not the most ruthless I've seen in the tournament so far. But for a freak penalty, some terrible finishing and refereeing which genuinely looked corrupt we would have been out of sight. Second half was pretty dire as we lost our intensity and Tunisia sat deep and were cynical at every opportunity. Still, we kept going and fortunately a chance landed to the one player who will finish when presented with the opportunity.

Agreed that Young was generally poor but he put a good corner in for the first and played the ball of the game to Lingard who fluffed his shot. Sterling looked threatening at times but lacked final product yet again and will surely be close to the drop along with Alli.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:38 am

joey13 wrote:What about the free kick attempt?

Forgot about that

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:56 am

For those claiming we deserved it, I'm not arguing we were the better team, rather that the performance , especially from the obvious culprits, was crap. Tunisia would have been blown away by a decent team. You don't need to play like Lionel Messi to win at the world cup, just play like you do for your club, that's why they were selected. Trying to be clever, when the simple pass is on. Moving the ball far too slowly across the line, and back to front. We really do make life difficult for ourselves.

The other problem we have is the inconsistency of players. Loftus Cheek looked good when he came on. If he starts the next game he'll probably be tosh. It's the nature of the beast running England, you never know what the likes of Sterling are going to deliver, until they get on the pitch, and by then it's too late.
Who'd be an England manager.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:06 am

VA bloody R. What a waste of time. How long before a coach comes out with the line.. “hopefully the decisions will even themselves out over the tournament”
Just let the refs make the decision and let’s get on with the game.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:42 am

Could of been a cricket score first half had lingard converted his chances but he was truely awful i wouldn't even like Burnley to sign him.
Swap Rose for Young
Loftus-Cheek for Lingard
Rashford for Sterling and i think the team could grow an surprise a few

Flat Stanley · Post by **Flat Stanley** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:15 am

Don't get why he won't play Vardy. He would not have missed all those chances in the first half. Pace, aggression and end product. Has to start instead of Sterling or Rashford for me.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:36 am

Flat Stanley wrote:Don't get why he won't play Vardy. He would not have missed all those chances in the first half. Pace, aggression and end product. Has to start instead of Sterling or Rashford for me.

After Rashford's wonder goal in the friendly, being a pain in the backside to the opposition, followed by coming on yesterday and improving our play, helping us win, you'd start Vardy ahead of Rashford?

I think a Rashford and Kane partnership is as obvious as you can get. However, as it's Panama I think Southgate will stick with Sterling to try and get him on track. But if it was Belgium we were playing on Sunday, I think he'd have gone with Rashford. Vardy will remain an impact player and rightly so.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:49 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:For those claiming we deserved it, I'm not arguing we were the better team, rather that the performance , especially from the obvious culprits, was crap. Tunisia would have been blown away by a decent team. You don't need to play like Lionel Messi to win at the world cup, just play like you do for your club, that's why they were selected. Trying to be clever, when the simple pass is on. Moving the ball far too slowly across the line, and back to front. We really do make life difficult for ourselves.

The other problem we have is the inconsistency of players. Loftus Cheek looked good when he came on. If he starts the next game he'll probably be tosh. It's the nature of the beast running England, you never know what the likes of Sterling are going to deliver, until they get on the pitch, and by then it's too late.
Who'd be an England manager.

I don't think you can say the performance was crap. The first 45 was the best half of tournament football I've seen from an England team since Euro 96. We played with pace and we had a plan. Lingard should have put the game out of sight on his own. There's nothing Southgate can do about wasteful finishing. At the end of the day we could be sat here talking about a 5-1 win and it wouldn't have flattered us.

The second half was incredibly frustrating because of the tactics and cynicism of the Tunisian players. They had no intention of offering anything once they scored their penalty. Yes we need to be better but it's not easy to break down resolute teams - as Burnley fans we should understand that more than most. Belgium were 0-0 vs Panama at half time for example.

The other factor was the officiating. It was the most inept refereeing performance of the World Cup so far and I've watched most of the games. In the other games it's felt like referee's have let things flow and allowed VAR to pull them back if needed. We should have had one, if not two penalties but we had a referee who apparently had no intention of using VAR. He even mimicked that Kane had dived in the second half!! Had the rugby tackle been penalised in the first half and we'd gone in 2-1 up the second half would have been entirely different; Tunisia would have needed to come out and play meaning there would have been gaps to exploit. Sean Dyche talks a lot about small margins in football making a big difference and last night was a clear indication of that.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:05 am

jlup1980 wrote:I don't think you can say the performance was crap. The first 45 was the best half of tournament football I've seen from an England team since Euro 96. We played with pace and we had a plan. Lingard should have put the game out of sight on his own. There's nothing Southgate can do about wasteful finishing. At the end of the day we could be sat here talking about a 5-1 win and it wouldn't have flattered us.

The second half was incredibly frustrating because of the tactics and cynicism of the Tunisian players. They had no intention of offering anything once they scored their penalty. Yes we need to be better but it's not easy to break down resolute teams - as Burnley fans we should understand that more than most. Belgium were 0-0 vs Panama at half time for example.

The other factor was the officiating. It was the most inept refereeing performance of the World Cup so far and I've watched most of the games. In the other games it's felt like referee's have let things flow and allowed VAR to pull them back if needed. We should have had one, if not two penalties but we had a referee who apparently had no intention of using VAR. He even mimicked that Kane had dived in the second half!! Had the rugby tackle been penalised in the first half and we'd gone in 2-1 up the second half would have been entirely different; Tunisia would have needed to come out and play meaning there would have been gaps to exploit. Sean Dyche talks a lot about small margins in football making a big difference and last night was a clear indication of that.

I don't disagree with that, but would point out " Lingard should have had 4", yes but he didn't. I never blamed Southgate for anything, in fact I pointed out that he can't predict how certain players are going to perform. It's a team game, and Young and Sterling, and Lingards finishing were woeful. England aren't good enough to carry passengers , but that was yesterday's performance. There were lots of positives, but unless you look at the weaknesses you're not going to improve.

edison · Post by **edison** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:11 am

bumba wrote:Could of been a cricket score first half

It was a cricket score in the first half though - a duck

Job done. A win is a win. It wasn't perfect but England will do alright in this world cup.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:14 am

FactualFrank wrote:After Rashford's wonder goal in the friendly, being a pain in the backside to the opposition, followed by coming on yesterday and improving our play, helping us win, you'd start Vardy ahead of Rashford?

I think a Rashford and Kane partnership is as obvious as you can get. However, as it's Panama I think Southgate will stick with Sterling to try and get him on track. But if it was Belgium we were playing on Sunday, I think he'd have gone with Rashford. Vardy will remain an impact player and rightly so.

Vardys finishing can’t be underestimated. Apart from Kane he’s by far the best finisher out of the rest. We want to play fast attacking football, on the counter. Vardy is a perfect fit imo. He doesn’t get stage fright either.