world cup, ITV OR BBC ?

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Do you think Mourinho has never done punditry?

But Mourinho could offer expert opinion from a manager's point of view.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:24 pm

Foulthrow wrote:But Mourinho could offer expert opinion from a manager's point of view.

A successful manager at that.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:28 pm

Foulthrow wrote:But Mourinho could offer expert opinion from a manager's point of view.

So? He never played at a high level, which is the charge made against Aluko. I'd argue that the idea that Aluko never played at a high enough level, after she got over 100 caps for a women's national team sitting 2nd in the world rankings is ridiculous.

It's even more ridiculous than saying Annabel Croft isn't qualified to commentate on men's tennis (which, btw, i can't remember a single person saying at any of the Wimbledon's she's commentated)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:30 pm

Instead of being prejudiced, how about you judge her on her knowledge, just like you do any other pundit?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:31 pm

tim_noone wrote:A successful manager at that.

Not if someone didn't first take a chance when he hadn't been a successful manager.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:34 pm

Who is the co commentator on the Costa Rica match now? It’s on the tip of my tongue!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:35 pm

Can you imagine the two interviews?

Interviewer: What are your qualifications to become manager?
Mourinho: Well, i translated for Bobby Robson:
Interviewer: When can you start?

Interviewer: What are your qualifications to talk about a football match?
Aluko: Well, i played for world ranked #2 national team 102 times
Interviewer: Yeah, but you're a woman.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:36 pm

Pearcey wrote:Who is the co commentator on the Costa Rica match now? It’s on the tip of my tongue!

You have Iain Dowie on the tip of your tongue?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:37 pm

Pearcey wrote:Who is the co commentator on the Costa Rica match now? It’s on the tip of my tongue!

Dowie, i think. They have three co-comentators of Hoddle, McCoist and Dowie, and it's not one of the other two.

Edit: actually it might be Hoddle if he has a sore throat and stuffy nose.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:37 pm

Yes! Cheers Rileybobs!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Instead of being prejudiced, how about you judge her on her knowledge, just like you do any other pundit?

Mmmm....Aluko disagreeing with henrik Larson I won't make a judgement.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:21 pm

The problem at the moment is this overwhelming clamour for equality.

A bloke applauding a bloke for his summary is banter but a bloke applauding a woman for her summary is patronising.

You either have equality or you don't and if that means two blokes can no longer engage in banter then this Country is ******.

I say this Country because most others wouldn't be arsed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:31 pm

JohnMac wrote:The problem at the moment is this overwhelming clamour for equality.

A bloke applauding a bloke for his summary is banter but a bloke applauding a woman for her summary is patronising.

You either have equality or you don't and if that means two blokes can no longer engage in banter then this Country is ******.

I say this Country because most others wouldn't be arsed.

Most other sports wouldn't be arsed. In fact it was someone who is arsed that bothered to bring it up in this thread. Anmd i think you'll find that the person who was arsed isn't exactly "clamouring for equality".

All those of us "clamouring for equality" want is people to stop treating women unequally. That means treating Aluko's analysis on it's merits and not on the fact that she's a woman. Why can't you do that instead of whining about the push for equality?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:44 pm

I think that if you're going to bring in a lady to give analysis for the 1st time on a panel at a major tournament she has to give an insightful tactical breakdown otherwise it smacks of tokenism. People should be chosen because they best fit the role but if you introduce something new it has to be good. In my opinion she isn't.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:45 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:I think that if you're going to bring in a lady to give analysis for the 1st time on a panel at a major tournament she has to give an insightful tactical breakdown otherwise it smacks of tokenism. People should be chosen because they best fit the role but if you introduce something new it has to be good. In my opinion she isn't.

What was it about her analysis that you felt wasn't as good as the others?

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:47 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:I think that if you're going to bring in a lady to give analysis for the 1st time on a panel at a major tournament she has to give an insightful tactical breakdown otherwise it smacks of tokenism. People should be chosen because they best fit the role but if you introduce something new it has to be good. In my opinion she isn't.

got to agree with that and you can read the players minds on the panel. wtf is she on about.
she seems to try too hard at times as well and some of other guests cannot get a word in.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:48 pm

claretnproud wrote:got to agree with that and you can read the players minds on the panel. wtf is she on about.
she seems to try too hard at times as well and some of other guests cannot get a word in.

I'll ask you the same question. What was it about her analysis that you felt wasn't as good as the others?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Most other sports wouldn't be arsed. In fact it was someone who is arsed that bothered to bring it up in this thread. Anmd i think you'll find that the person who was arsed isn't exactly "clamouring for equality".

All those of us "clamouring for equality" want is people to stop treating women unequally. That means treating Aluko's analysis on it's merits and not on the fact that she's a woman. Why can't you do that instead of whining about the push for equality?

I personally don't give a toss.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:52 pm

oh god jonathan pearce.

can't wait for his speedy gonzales impressions.

edit: ha, and phil 'dead behind the eyes' neville.

the addams family of commentary.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:53 pm

JohnMac wrote:I personally don't give a toss.

Perfect. That's how it should be.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'll ask you the same question. What was it about her analysis that you felt wasn't as good as the others?

I thought she came across as nervy and seemed uncomfortable to answer your question.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:05 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:I thought she came across as nervy and seemed uncomfortable to answer your question.

That's not an answer to my question. Asked what it was about her analysis.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'll ask you the same question. What was it about her analysis that you felt wasn't as good as the others?

Check out @c_munksy’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/c_munksy/status/100 ... 04929?s=09" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stuff like this is why

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:29 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Check out @c_munksy’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/c_munksy/status/100 ... 04929?s=09" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stuff like this is why

So she said one thing that was obvious and that's why she shouldn't be a pundit.
Thankfully men never say anything obvious while commenting on matches otherwise you'd look like an idiot.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That's not an answer to my question. Asked what it was about her analysis.

The answer just didn't suit you. The other 2 weren't nervous or uncomfortable

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:43 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:The answer just didn't suit you. The other 2 weren't nervous or uncomfortable

No. I asked you what it was about her analysis you disliked, and you instead chose to answer that she was nervy and uncomfortable. That isn't her analysis.

Do i need to remind you of what you said that promped the question that you can't answer?

I think that if you're going to bring in a lady to give analysis for the 1st time on a panel at a major tournament she has to give an insightful tactical breakdown otherwise it smacks of tokenism. People should be chosen because they best fit the role but if you introduce something new it has to be good. In my opinion she isn't.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:58 pm

Her analysis was delivered in a nervous uncomfortable manner. I honestly don't know how you find the time for this level of semantics. If I need to spoon feed you then I also thought her overall analysis wasn't as technically insightful as Evera and Larsson. One specific moment, just for you, was saying Mitrovic should have hit the ball 1st time when it was clearly behind him.

Read my 1st post. Rightly or wrongly if you bring a lady onto a panel for the World Cup for the 1st time she has to be spot on. She wasn't.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:27 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:That "girlfriend who has read up on the rules to make conversation" has played 102 times for England. What's your tally?

Let's face it most of us have never heard of her as most of us don't watch ladies football. Do You?

Thing is we are used to listening to household name male footballers and maybe that's the problem bringing these ladies in. But let's face we have been told we are just not diverse enough and discriminate terribly against women
Thought about supporting #Me too?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:49 pm

I watch the women's world cup when it's on. I don't go out of my way to watch it though, much like i love tennis but don't go out of my way to watch women's tennis. Never imagined anyone would have a problem with female analysts in men's tennis though.

Football has a lot of catching up to do in respect to equality.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:27 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I can't say I have a preference. I just sometimes listen to what they've said and then watch the football.

Phil Neville on the BBC has come out with some good points, but so too has Bilic on ITV - although I don't expect to see both Roy Keane and Slaven Bilic in the same studio anytime soon, or if so, not sat next to eachother. They don't appear to like eachother very much going off the vibes.

Phil Neville, like most of the pundits, is totally illiterate. He came out with something today that made me want to crawl under the sofa. It’s painful to listen to. They’re all pretty bad, but he somehow takes the biscuit. The foreign pundits actually speak better English than their British counterparts. That just has to tell you something.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:00 pm

Roy Keane for me. He doesn't give a ****

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:20 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:Her analysis was delivered in a nervous uncomfortable manner. I honestly don't know how you find the time for this level of semantics. If I need to spoon feed you then I also thought her overall analysis wasn't as technically insightful as Evera and Larsson. One specific moment, just for you, was saying Mitrovic should have hit the ball 1st time when it was clearly behind him.

Read my 1st post. Rightly or wrongly if you bring a lady onto a panel for the World Cup for the 1st time she has to be spot on. She wasn't.

Ah yes, Patrice Evra, who claimed that his mate Paul Pogba was being picked on because his deflected kick which was going a mile wide of the goal was awarded as an own goal.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:56 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Ah yes, Patrice Evra, who claimed that his mate Paul Pogba was being picked on because his deflected kick which was going a mile wide of the goal was awarded as an own goal.

I wasn't singing his praises. He looked like he couldn't be arsed

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:06 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Check out @c_munksy’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/c_munksy/status/100 ... 04929?s=09" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stuff like this is why

I'm not sure if mystic munksy is the best example for backing up an argument re: sexual equality https://twitter.com/c_munksy/status/1003737030726123521" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'll ask you the same question. What was it about her analysis that you felt wasn't as good as the others?

Rumpole of the bailey.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Ian Wright has also somehow got himself on Fox for the USA coverage, the floozy

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:38 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:Ian Wright has also somehow got himself on Fox for the USA coverage, the floozy

Must be rocking where you are?

clive40golf · Post by **clive40golf** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:52 am

I think one of the problems of having a female analyst on the panel is that female football has a lot of catching up to do to even compare to male football. Tbh in what league would you think the #2 team in women’s world football rankings would be able to compete in the men’s English league system. I think it’s a bit unfair to ask her on because everything she says will be doubly analysed, and she won’t have the experience that other members of the panel have. Maybe in twenty years when women’s football has grown a bit more competitive perhaps, but not now imo.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:12 am

clive40golf wrote:I think one of the problems of having a female analyst on the panel is that female football has a lot of catching up to do to even compare to male football. Tbh in what league would you think the #2 team in women’s world football rankings would be able to compete in the men’s English league system. I think it’s a bit unfair to ask her on because everything she says will be doubly analysed, and she won’t have the experience that other members of the panel have. Maybe in twenty years when women’s football has grown a bit more competitive perhaps, but not now imo.

It's still the same game for goodness sake.

Women see the same things as us men do.

I heard Phil Neville say.... "a one nil half time victory" today, instead of a one nil half time lead.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:14 am

I've been watching the women's one day series on Sky of England v South Africa, with mainly women commentators: it works really well, but please keep them as far away as possible from the men's game (in all sports).

Japebe43 · Post by **Japebe43** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:05 am

Pearcey wrote:I see the fatist **** are out in force!

.

Absolutely right.. Does being fat encapsulate me? Does just that fact alone relegate me to the bottom of the pile in terms of respect?

I have far worse qualities that should earn your contempt!

clive40golf · Post by **clive40golf** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:42 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It's still the same game for goodness sake.

Women see the same things as us men do.

I heard Phil Neville say.... "a one nil half time victory" today, instead of a one nil half time lead.

Totally agree with what you’ve pointed out, but the fact is womens football does not command any respect at this point in time. If a woman was to make a mistake like Phil Neville made they would have been down her throat.
We have to be honest and say womens football is of a low standard . The spectrum of panalist available is huge until we get to the top female candidates, so it must be seen as a “token “ gesture.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:43 am

I’d rather listen in Alex Scott than Alan Shearer any day of the week. At least she speaks in the right tense.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:51 am

tim_noone wrote:Must be rocking where you are?

Game was at 9 am mind.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:32 am

How does Robbie Savage get a slot on Radio 5 ? He's hopeless IMO and he's I doubt know one person who think ms he's any good. Probably part of the BBCs equality agenda.