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Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:37 am

How is this happening in the supposed "free world"? Migrant children ripped from their families and being put into detention camps. In at least one case (probably more) a mother was deported without her son. And there isn't even a plan to return all these kids to their parents.
The New Yorker wrote:No protocols have been put in place for keeping track of parents and children concurrently, for keeping parents and children in contact with each other while they are separated, or for eventually reuniting them.
There are well over 2,000 of these kids now. And this is our most valued "friend" doing this. At what point do we start demanding our government speak out against this?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:22 am

Shameful - what's next, a Final Solution ?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by mdd2 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:12 am

Awful the way kids get exploited like that but let us not forget the reverse which also makes life difficult for those trying to control migration. This way seems barking to me. Separating a mother from her 8 year old child and then deporting mum back to Guatemala seems perverse and I think this is what IT is referring to. Was on Newsnight yesterday.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Corky » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:25 am

evensteadiereddie wrote:Shameful - what's next, a Final Solution ?
I don't think this sort of needlessly inflammatory comment adds to the debate.

If the Yanks want to keep them all under lock and key then at least do it in family units. Then if and when they get deported it is done in a more humane manner.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:25 am

Holding economic migrants in camps is bad enough (but I understand there has to be somewhere for them to go if they cross the border illegally) but you have to be a bit of a sadist to think separating parents from their kids is anything other than a really bad idea.

Its a **** poor image of the US put it that way, but if you elect Donald Trump and don't put enough checks on what he can do, then this is what you get. Oh, and it will get worse.
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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by tybfc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:27 am

It is sick.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:37 am

The right wing media in the USA calling these kids child actors and saying the camps are more like "summer camps".

This really is Nazism in a different disguise.
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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:48 am

Shouldn't border jump then.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:52 am

Here's an audio recording of these "child actors" enjoying their "summer camp"

https://youtu.be/PoncXfYBAVI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Caballo » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:56 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Shouldn't border jump then.
Blatant fishing attempt, pathetic!
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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:58 am

Caballo wrote:Blatant fishing attempt, pathetic!
I wasn't fishing, they really shouldn't be border jumping.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:59 am

A country where most of the population are descended from Immigrants, like Australia seem to have equally shameful way of dealing with modern day immigrants.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Caballo » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:00 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Here's an audio recording of these "child actors" enjoying their "summer camp"

https://youtu.be/PoncXfYBAVI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Heartrending stuff. If that's real, and I've no reason to believe it's not, then somebody really needs to give their head a wobble.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Caballo » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:02 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I wasn't fishing, they really shouldn't be border jumping.
I must have missed the post advocating it.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:09 am

If its not fishing, then it means you are a ****.

And I hope you are not a dad with an attitude like that.

Still, you do admire Tommy Robinson so its not like we should be surprised is it?

You've lost the plot recently a bit lad btw
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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:11 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Here's an audio recording of these "child actors" enjoying their "summer camp"

https://youtu.be/PoncXfYBAVI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They're really good these days aren't they. Miles better than those kids in the Jurassic Park films.

That aside, it is going a bit Nazi over there isn't it. Just like when we had them this side of the pond, they'll have more than enough apologists right up until it's too late.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:16 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:If its not fishing, then it means you are a ****.

And I hope you are not a dad with an attitude like that.

Still, you do admire Tommy Robinson so its not like we should be surprised is it?

You've lost the plot recently a bit lad btw
Hey, I don't want parents to be sent home without their children, that's not ethical at all.


I think they should be sent back together.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:20 am

Then they should be held in migrant camps together then no?

Bit inhuman otherwise no?

Be interesting to see if the Trump love in amongst the likes of Farage and certain Tories is toned down a bit as its pretty clear this is not a popular policy over here.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:24 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Then they should be held in migrant camps together then no?

Bit inhuman otherwise no?

Be interesting to see if the Trump love in amongst the likes of Farage and certain Tories is toned down a bit as its pretty clear this is not a popular policy over here.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this same situation used to deal with illegal migrants under the last administration as well?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:29 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this same situation used to deal with illegal migrants under the last administration as well?
Lol. No.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:30 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Lol. No.

https://www.facebook.com/officialbensha ... 260865460/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Looks like it to me.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:35 am

Er, you need to go back to watching real news CM

You are turning into Bluelab

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:36 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Er, you need to go back to watching real news CM

You are turning into Bluelab
So what Ben says in the video are lies then?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:38 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://www.facebook.com/officialbensha ... 260865460/


Looks like it to me.
It doesn't matter if i spend time proving you wrong, does it? It doesn't matter if I point out that those photos he shows quite clearly show adults and children together. You're still going to deny it all because that's what alt-righters trolls do. They lie and present lies as facts and when its shown to be lies they laugh.

He's right that Congress could pass a law stopping this, be he's ignoring the fact that Trump chose to start doing this. He doesn't want you knowing that. Why do you think he didn't even mention that Trump could single handedly stop this by reversing his own policy?
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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by bumba » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:40 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:https://www.facebook.com/officialbensha ... 260865460/


Looks like it to me.
Looks like it to me too, it's just turtle stirring his trump hatred and agenda again he's truely boring

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:42 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It doesn't matter if i spend time proving you wrong, does it? It doesn't matter if I point out that those photos he shows quite clearly show adults and children together. You're still going to deny it all because that's what alt-righters trolls do. They lie and present lies as facts and when its shown to be lies they laugh.

He's right that Congress could pass a law stopping this, be he's ignoring the fact that Trump chose to start doing this. He doesn't want you knowing that. Why do you think he didn't even mention that Trump could single handedly stop this by reversing his own policy?
Those pictures to me show pretty much exactly the same thing that everyone is feigning outrage over now; bad conditions, children alone, over crowding etc etc, yet nobody in the media or on the left seemed to particularly care about this issue until it became politically convenient to do so.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:43 am

Oh goody, here come the right wing trolls.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:44 am

Taken from twitter for the benefit of those of us (ie almost everybody) who have forgotten.

"My mother's father was in Auschwitz, her mother was in the Warsaw Ghetto and then Bergen Belsen. My father's father was in Chelmno and his mother was in Stutthoff. My father was born in a displaced person's camp in Landsberg. When we tell you this is how it all began, believe us."

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Taken from twitter for the benefit of those of us (ie almost everybody) who have forgotten.

"My mother's father was in Auschwitz, her mother was in the Warsaw Ghetto and then Bergen Belsen. My father's father was in Chelmno and his mother was in Stutthoff. My father was born in a displaced person's camp in Landsberg. When we tell you this is how it all began, believe us."
Why does everything come back to ethnic cleansing/Nazis with liberals?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:51 am

Why does every Nazi attempt or discredit or ignore the warnings from history?

Its all there mate, you just have to look at history books (not Breitbart or prison planet or whatever shitstorm you regard as news)

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:55 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Why does every Nazi attempt or discredit or ignore the warnings from history?

Its all there mate, you just have to look at history books (not Breitbart or prison planet or whatever shitstorm you regard as news)
Hey on that note, I just seen today that our good mate Paul has actually joined UKIP. :lol: :lol:

Bit of a coup for them that these days.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Dy1geo » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:01 am

I can not justify the separation of families from their children but at present Trump and his attorney general who has applied the ruling has made it clear this is what will happen if you try to enter the US illegally rather than applying for asylum at one of the many places of entry so say next week a family try to enter illegally and they then get separated a large part of the blame should go on the family.

However the US with all their riches should be reorganising their Economic policy to try to develop the countries of origin.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:04 am

Does that double their membership now, what with all of them going back to the Conservatives?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by claretandy » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:20 am

https://twitter.com/Salopian1866/status ... twterm%5E3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:24 am

But her e-mails..........................

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Re: Migrant Child Separation

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:56 am

Separation of parent and child, on purpose, is inhumane and not befitting a supposedly 'developed', 'civilised' country.

Trump is a problem for the human race.

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Re: Migrant Child Separation

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:59 am

IanMcL wrote:
Trump is a problem for the human race.
... and the environment, and .... many other things.
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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by grapidianclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:09 am

Its OK. The attorney General,Jeff Sessions, has taken a quote out of the bible to justify the forced seperation of children from parents. So that makes it all right now.
The orange dick and his cohorts are using this as leverage to get the democrats to fund the wall,the same wall the Mexicans were going to pay for. Sessions used the same quote that was used to justify slavery back in the day. As for always comparing the actions of these wan kers to nazi's, if the cap fits....

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by duncandisorderly » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:11 am

What does ((( ))) around someones name mean?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:27 am

You'd have to a total **** not to think "hang on, thats not right"

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 9492584448" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:29 am

No matter what you think about immigration, you've got to admit that this is pretty inhumane. I never thought the U.S would sink so low.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Billy Balfour » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:If its not fishing, then it means you are a ****.

And I hope you are not a dad with an attitude like that.

Still, you do admire Tommy Robinson so its not like we should be surprised is it?

You've lost the plot recently a bit lad btw
You should consider putting him on ignore or at least stop feeding his fragile ego.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:37 am

Nah, he's alright most of the time but it is interesting just how much further to the right he's got over the years.

Once you dip into this far right stuff it must have a powerful pull.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:09 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Those pictures to me show pretty much exactly the same thing that everyone is feigning outrage over now; bad conditions, children alone, over crowding etc etc, yet nobody in the media or on the left seemed to particularly care about this issue until it became politically convenient to do so.
Just because that happened under Obama doesn't mean he chose for it to happen. Congress stopped him doing basically anything of substance. And that what Shapiro showed isn't what is happening now. Families weren't being torn apart by a presidential decision of Obama's. Trump made this decision and he can reverse it.

Instead, Trump's lying yet again and claiming it is a law that Democrats can reverse. It is neither a law, and even if is was it isn't anything Democrats can reverse since they're the minority party in both chambers of Congress.

I don't understand why you're so happy to troll over things like this by pretending you don't understand that you're being lied to, I really don't.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:11 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:What does ((( ))) around someones name mean?
It means they're Jewish. It's a Nazi thing to alert other nazis that someone is a jew. Sometimes it's used to take the **** out of nazis.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by duncandisorderly » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It means they're Jewish. It's a Nazi thing to alert other nazis that someone is a jew. Sometimes it's used to take the **** out of nazis.
Ok ta. So Dan Hodges, Mail on Sunday, in claretandys link, is a jew taking the ****?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Just because that happened under Obama doesn't mean he chose for it to happen. Congress stopped him doing basically anything of substance. And that what Shapiro showed isn't what is happening now. Families weren't being torn apart by a presidential decision of Obama's. Trump made this decision and he can reverse it.

Instead, Trump's lying yet again and claiming it is a law that Democrats can reverse. It is neither a law, and even if is was it isn't anything Democrats can reverse since they're the minority party in both chambers of Congress.

I don't understand why you're so happy to troll over things like this by pretending you don't understand that you're being lied to, I really don't.
I'm indifferent on the issue itself to be honest, it's a foreign country and a situation that doesn't affect me at all.

I just "troll" in your words because I find it ironically suspicious that suddenly everyone on the left and in the media is outraged about something that has been going on for years just because they can use it to throw some mud on a politician they don't like.

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Elbarad » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:54 pm

The parents have committed a crime and are in jail awaiting trial. Should the children be in jail with their parents, shipped back to country of origin without their parents, or kept apart in a place less restrictive then jail?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:56 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I'm indifferent on the issue itself to be honest, it's a foreign country and a situation that doesn't affect me at all.

I just "troll" in your words because I find it ironically suspicious that suddenly everyone on the left and in the media is outraged about something that has been going on for years just because they can use it to throw some mud on a politician they don't like.
It's a lie that this family separation policy has been going on for years. If you don't care then why do you care enough to lie?

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Re: Migrant Child Seperation

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:00 pm

Elbarad wrote:The parents have committed a crime and are in jail awaiting trial. Should the children be in jail with their parents, shipped back to country of origin without their parents, or kept apart in a place less restrictive then jail?
They've committed a misdemeanour. They've never been treated as criminals before. It wasn't even controversial that they hadn't been treated as criminals before. This is a deliberate policy enacted by the current administration. Trump is doing this deliberately. Why? His own Homeland security chief took offence at the idea it was to send a message, so why is he doing this if its not simply because he hates these people and their kids?

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