His fitness is a different topic - his ability would have undoubtedly improved otherwise LPL wouldn't have offered him a new contractKRBFC wrote:Amazing people are so certain Ings will be anything like the same player having played about 5 games in 3 years and numerous big injuries.
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No only do we not want Danny we also don’t want any German strikers after their utterly useless efforts against the South Koreans today
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Wells signing hasn't borne fruit yet,hopefully he will prove us all wrong this year.jojomk1 wrote:We were happy to pay £5m for Nahki Wells when he was injured and we've yet to see any potential on that outlay
Nobody can argue that it would be a risk to sign Ings given his recent injury record but, nobody can also argue that he was the top man when playing with us
We have seen with our own eyes what he had in the locker 3 years ago and I would rather we take another punt (if given the chance with a minimal fee) than see him coming back to form at another club
How much of a risk are you prepared to chance,ok transfer fee might be nominal in today's market,the question for me is what length of contract,will salary be based on appearances etc,most contracts now are 3 years minimum,now if Danny breaks down again before Christmas,potentially we could be paying a fairly hefty wage to a player who is unavailable for large amounts of the season and beyond.
If we can agree a package that lessens any potential risk to BFC then it may be worth a punt,for me that would be a rolling one-year deal with a reasonable salary,but plenty of performance related elements,we already have several first teamers returning from major injuries,and we don't know if they will hit the ground running or aggravate these ailments.
With the amount of games next season and the early start,we need a bigger pool to cope,Sean is loathe to rotate i know but we'll have to give some players a breather,otherwise the squad will burnout by the new year,if Ings signs he will currently be 4th choice at best behind Wood,Barnes and Vokes.
Ultimately it's Sean's call,he and the medical staff will be more informed than anyone on this messageboard,if the gaffer decides to roll the dice i will back him and Danny 100%,i can't see us signing Ings and JayRod but stranger things have happened.
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I'd have him back in a heartbeat!...great player for Burnley.
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Liverpool Echo reports that "oddschecker" have us down as favourites for his signature at 3-1, ahead of Palace, Newcastle and West Ham (46% of bets)
It mentions Danny has been with a personal trainer in the USA in order to be ready for the new season.
It mentions Danny has been with a personal trainer in the USA in order to be ready for the new season.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Who would Ings replace though?
Barnes/Wood up top so would we bench Barnes? Does that mean Vokes would be off or would Ings replace Nahki Wells?
I can't see it.
Barnes/Wood up top so would we bench Barnes? Does that mean Vokes would be off or would Ings replace Nahki Wells?
I can't see it.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
I agree really can’t see it.ClaretAndJew wrote:Who would Ings replace though?
Barnes/Wood up top so would we bench Barnes? Does that mean Vokes would be off or would Ings replace Nahki Wells?
I can't see it.
Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Ings plays as the no 10 behind Wood
Or Jay Rod plays as the no 10 behind Wood
If Wood is out of form/injured Barnes replaces him
We move out 2 from 3 of Vokes, Walters Wells
Or Jay Rod plays as the no 10 behind Wood
If Wood is out of form/injured Barnes replaces him
We move out 2 from 3 of Vokes, Walters Wells
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Ings will have to fight to get into the team something I doubt he's looking for.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
In the words of Steve Cradock "I'll go with that one, yeah"jojomk1 wrote:Ings plays as the no 10 behind Wood
Or Jay Rod plays as the no 10 behind Wood
If Wood is out of form/injured Barnes replaces him
We move out 2 from 3 of Vokes, Walters Wells
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This all depends on whether SD wants his "No 10" as a second striker or a ball carrier/possession retainer like he used Hendrick.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Amen to that brother. 5m for Ings or Wells? No argument. As you say we know for absolute certain what Ings has got. I still think Wells was a terrible signing but at least it shows that Dyche is human.jojomk1 wrote:We were happy to pay £5m for Nahki Wells when he was injured and we've yet to see any potential on that outlay
Nobody can argue that it would be a risk to sign Ings given his recent injury record but, nobody can also argue that he was the top man when playing with us
We have seen with our own eyes what he had in the locker 3 years ago and I would rather we take another punt (if given the chance with a minimal fee) than see him coming back to form at another club
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Oddschecker still have us as favourites, but I wouldn't recommend putting too much on it.claretfern wrote:Liverpool Echo reports that "oddschecker" have us down as favourites for his signature at 3-1, ahead of Palace, Newcastle and West Ham (46% of bets)
It mentions Danny has been with a personal trainer in the USA in order to be ready for the new season.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Nor would I.ClaretTony wrote:Oddschecker still have us as favourites, but I wouldn't recommend putting too much on it.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
I think it is wise not to - the LT have just reported that we have no interest in signing Ings
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Was told we were offered the chance to sign him and declined, as above, and he's going down the route I'm sure many of you will be aware of... moving to Scotland (Celtic).
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Bournemouth rumour.
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Sky now saying Southampton are in for him.
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We only want a Brighton rumour now then we’ve got all the south coast top teams interested
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After losing Calumn Wilson twice to an ACL injury I'm surprised they would want another striker on the books with a similar if not worse injury record.South West Claret. wrote:Bournemouth rumour.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
His injury record is always going to be a concern for most top flight clubs I would imagine, unless theres something in his contract that in someway mitigates a future situation..tricky.
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I still think if his fee is just £5million it is likely to be a better punt than Wells who has had little or no game time so far
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
We got badly burnt over Wells,once bitten twice shy.mdd2 wrote:I still think if his fee is just £5million it is likely to be a better punt than Wells who has had little or no game time so far
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If that's the fee being suggested we really ought to be in for him.mdd2 wrote:I still think if his fee is just £5million it is likely to be a better punt than Wells who has had little or no game time so far
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
As said by many he’s a potential liability which may rule him out, interesting if no one wants to sign him would staying at Liverpool be an option if very disappointing to him?
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Fee might be £5 million, so comparable to Wells - but the wages, of course, may well be a very different matter. As might the expectation of his role in the squad/team.taio wrote:If that's the fee being suggested we really ought to be in for him.
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I'm sure other premier league clubs will be interested. Presumably the fee would take account of the risks.
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I didn't compare it to Wells and I'm sure the wages would be a different matter. But I think the club will adjust its wage structure for the right players.claretspice wrote:Fee might be £5 million, so comparable to Wells - but the wages, of course, may well be a very different matter. As might the expectation of his role in the squad/team.
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I think "for the right players" are the key words there. My point is we paid £5 million for Wells - relative peanuts these days, for better or worse - and its easy to imagine that the wages were proportionately modest in the grand scheme of things. I doubt the discount on Ings' transfer fee would be similarly reflected in the wages Ings would want, and so you've a mismatch there. Fine if he's "the right player" and expected to start games, but problematic if that's not the case. And of course, that discounted transfer fee would suggest its not guaranteed it will be the case.taio wrote:I didn't compare it to Wells and I'm sure the wages would be a different matter. But I think the club will adjust its wage structure for the right players.
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Rubbish, he would be 2nd choice at worsetiger76 wrote:if Ings signs he will currently be 4th choice at best behind Wood,Barnes and Vokes.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
I think the true transfer value if it was a fit Danny Ings it would be in the region of 30 million not 5,so unfortunately it's a no from me
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
I think it would be a very expensive mistake if we brought him back,there are many other players out there as good as Ings...let's look forward not back ....I hope that ship has sailed.
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I totally get people saying it would be too great a risk. But for me we have to take one or two calculated risks. We are in a position where we have to sign players who are unproven at PL leve, or those who are proven at that level but have lost their way a little for one reason or another. I realise Ings' wages may be out of our reach though.
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The other thing about Ings is the personal angle on it. Last time he was at Burnley, he was the golden boy, around whom the team was basically built. The other players looked up to him as such. He behaved as such (not necessarily negatively, but that's been rumoured, but definitely in the way he carried himself). To bring in a player like that as a calculated gamble, likely to be back up to the first choice players (some of whom are players he was ahead of in the ranks last time he was here) - that strikes me as carrying its own risks.taio wrote:I totally get people saying it would be too great a risk. But for me we have to take one or two calculated risks. We are in a position where we have to sign players who are unproven at PL leve, or those who are proven at that level but have lost their way a little for one reason or another. I realise Ings' wages may be out of our reach though.
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He wouldn't have been the "golden boy" at Liverpool but when he played he played well. I don't see his attitude as being a risk in bringing him back.claretspice wrote:The other thing about Ings is the personal angle on it. Last time he was at Burnley, he was the golden boy, around whom the team was basically built. The other players looked up to him as such. He behaved as such (not necessarily negatively, but that's been rumoured, but definitely in the way he carried himself). To bring in a player like that as a calculated gamble, likely to be back up to the first choice players (some of whom are players he was ahead of in the ranks last time he was here) - that strikes me as carrying its own risks.
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
A fit Danny Ings is one of the very best players I've seen in a claret n blue shirt, in over 40 odd years of supporting my club.
Problem is, it's a FIT Danny Ings.......
Problem is, it's a FIT Danny Ings.......
Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
I would suggest that if he has returned to full fitness he wouldn't just be back up - he would be a crucial part of our team and squad.
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Not if Wood and Barnes keep up their end of season form,they are building a good partnership,can't see Sean benching either yet.MRG wrote:Rubbish, he would be 2nd choice at worse
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Dyche won't have him back after his gobbing off at the tribunal. End of discussion
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Huge if. Ings' game was built around his burst acceleration and his ability to twist and turn. Not played anything like enough football to be sure he's capable of regaining that in full, and I'm not sure he's played enough football to have completed that journey yet in any event, so I'd suggest the chances of being immediately the focal point of the team again would be open to question.taio wrote:I would suggest that if he has returned to full fitness he wouldn't just be back up - he would be a crucial part of our team and squad.
In any event, its not just about Ings' own attitude. Its about the impact on other players who have grown into leaders within the dressing room in the 3 years since he left.
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Yes and I've already acknowledged the risk. I would have no concerns about his attitude or his relationship with the other players.claretspice wrote:Huge if. Ings' game was built around his burst acceleration and his ability to twist and turn. Not played anything like enough football to be sure he's capable of regaining that in full, and I'm not sure he's played enough football to have completed that journey yet in any event, so I'd suggest the chances of being immediately the focal point of the team again would be open to question.
In any event, its not just about Ings' own attitude. Its about the impact on other players who have grown into leaders within the dressing room in the 3 years since he left.
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Surely, that's impossible to judge without being in the dressing room?taio wrote:Yes and I've already acknowledged the risk. I would have no concerns about his attitude or his relationship with the other players.
My point is simply that there are a host of factors - wages and squad dynamics being prime amongst them - which may mean that it is not a "no brainer", even at £5 million.
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It is impossible to judge which is why I don't understand you making the point in the first place that it could be a problem. I think it's fairer to assume it would be fine given it hasn't been an issue at any time in his career so far to my knowledge.claretspice wrote:Surely, that's impossible to judge without being in the dressing room?
My point is simply that there are a host of factors - wages and squad dynamics being prime amongst them - which may mean that it is not a "no brainer", even at £5 million.
There are of course many factors to weigh up when signing a player and I agree it's not a no brainer because of the risks I have referred to
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Has he not left yet ?
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Re: Danny ings to leave liverpool
Just looking at Danny's contract he still has two years to run,i wonder if Liverpool would allow him to go on loan for a season,to prove his fitness,providing the loaning club covered all his wages,there is less risk exposure for any interested parties then,
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That sounds like an interesting proposition for him and the club tiger.tiger76 wrote:Just looking at Danny's contract he still has two years to run,i wonder if Liverpool would allow him to go on loan for a season,to prove his fitness,providing the loaning club covered all his wages,there is less risk exposure for any interested parties then,
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? did he slag his omelettes off ?ZizkovClaret wrote:Dyche won't have him back after his gobbing off at the tribunal. End of discussion
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Think this would be an appealing option for him; he might be a Southampton fan. His Dad most certainly is, and a huge one at that.piston broke wrote:Sky now saying Southampton are in for him.
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So is Sam Vokes family. They could go Sam, Danny and Charlie Austin up top.burnleytom wrote:Think this would be an appealing option for him; he might be a Southampton fan. His Dad most certainly is, and a huge one at that.
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They have to to ensure they get some sort of return fee, otherwise he’d just run his contract down & leave for nothing.Vegas Claret wrote:His fitness is a different topic - his ability would have undoubtedly improved otherwise LPL wouldn't have offered him a new contract