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Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:38 pm

This time at a newspaper. At least 6 injured.

http://www.wbal.com/article/322207/3/at ... al-gazette" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe it's just a run of the mill mass shooting. But maybe it's not. We'll find out soon enough. One thing we know for sure is that "Thoughts & Prayers" will be the only responce to another act of madness. (Edit: Unless it's a muslim/immigrant)

Edit #1: Fatalities confirmed by officials
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:“I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight,”
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Spiral » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:41 pm

See earlier thread

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:41 pm

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:56 pm

5 dead.

Remember Charlie Hebdo, back when certain types cared about violence against journalists?
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by conyoviejo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:58 pm

God bless America,the land of the free..
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This time at a newspaper. At least 6 injured.

http://www.wbal.com/article/322207/3/at ... al-gazette" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe it's just a run of the mill mass shooting. But maybe it's not. We'll find out soon enough. One thing we know for sure is that "Thoughts & Prayers" will be the only responce to another act of madness. (Edit: Unless it's a muslim/immigrant)

Edit #1: Fatalities confirmed by officials

Its funny really because that is exactly the response that right wingers use when a muslim terrorist attack happens in Europe and you use it with no sense of irony what so ever when the shoe is on the other foot.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:03 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Its funny really because that is exactly the response that right wingers use when a muslim terrorist attack happens in Europe and you use it with no sense of irony what so ever when the shoe is on the other foot.
No. When "right wingers" (you mean far-right wingers) respond it's with things like ideas of internment and persecution of innocent people based on their religion. With claims that it will "protect our freedom", when really all it will do is 1) make things worse, and 2) do the opposite of protecting our freedom.
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:05 pm

The shooter is alive and in custody. No known motive yet.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote: No known motive yet.
A dickhead with easy access to a gun?
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:12 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:A dickhead with easy access to a gun?
That would be means, not motive.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:13 pm

Whatever the motive was, I sincerely doubt it was because he felt he had to do exactly as Milo freaking Yannopolous said like the left seem to be strongly insinuating on twitter at the minute.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:15 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Whatever the motive was, I sincerely doubt it was because he felt he had to do exactly as Milo freaking Yannopolous said like the left seem to be strongly insinuating on twitter at the minute.
Ok. if you want to invoke "the left" and "the right". Lets say "the left" are suggesting this is because of Milo, and they're doing that without information that support is, and you're right that they shouldn't be doing that. Would you like to see what the other side are saying about this? Do you really want to go there and see how the two compare?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Lauren12 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:16 pm

just give it a rest fellas eh ? innocent people have died again, let's not have the usual UTC game of 'mydadsbiggerthanyourdad' again please.

IT'S A F'KIN FOOTBALL MESSAGEBOARD FFS.
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:17 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Ok. if you want to invoke "the left" and "the right". Lets say "the left" are suggesting this is because of Milo, and they're doing that without information that support is, and you're right that they shouldn't be doing that. Would you like to see what the other side are saying about this? Do you really want to go there and see how the two compare?
Not really because the other side are American conservatives and everyone knows they are totally batshit crazy idiots.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:23 pm

I didn't think so. Maybe stop smearing the entire left as if individuals on twitter jumping the gun on a motive are the whole left, otherwise i'll show you people who are delighted by this and use your logic regarding the political wing they don't represent.


MSNBC reporting that the earlier police report of 5 dead is "not accurate". Dont' know if it's higher or lower.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:27 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I didn't think so.


MSNBC reporting that the earlier police report of 5 dead is "not accurate". Dont' know if it's higher or lower.
There's a reason I don't engage with you anywhere near as hard when it comes to American politics and I do (more did, I am too lazy these days for the most part) with British politics; two reasons actually.

One, it is a foreign country and it doesn't really affect me so my care cup is less full.

Two, I do not really identify with American conservatives at all, they are only marginally better than their liberal counterparts and in many ways worse.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:41 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:There's a reason I don't engage with you anywhere near as hard when it comes to American politics and I do (more did, I am too lazy these days for the most part) with British politics; two reasons actually.

One, it is a foreign country and it doesn't really affect me so my care cup is less full.

Two, I do not really identify with American conservatives at all, they are only marginally better than their liberal counterparts and in many ways worse.

It affects you more than you realise. If "the land of the free" can set up concentration camps for kids how long do you think it'll be before the rest of us decide that concentration camps are OK again? You used to even support the idea of one until you saw sense. Do you think everyone will turn back from that idea like you did?

The left and right in America are not equal and opposite. They're not "both the same" which is what many "centrists" try to claim. The worst thing the left has said this week is that Trump officials shouldn't be welcome at restraunts. Compare that to the right and their mouth-frothing desire for an actual civil war. Just look at what Milo said. He's pretty mainstream on the right nowadays and he's sending text messages to journalists saying how he can't wait until journalists are gunned down.

The worst we have on the left are black bloc, and we shun them at every opportunity. We want nothing to do with them. But the right don't shun the worst on their side. They elect them.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by South West Claret. » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:41 pm

Good old gun culture :roll:

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Damo » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:03 pm

It's amazing what subjects give people a sense of smugness
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Damo wrote:It's amazing what subjects give people a sense of smugness
Is your irony intentional?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:06 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Whatever the motive was, I sincerely doubt it was because he felt he had to do exactly as Milo freaking Yannopolous said like the left seem to be strongly insinuating on twitter at the minute.
Your world is so black and white it’s concerning.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:11 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Whatever the motive was, I sincerely doubt it was because he felt he had to do exactly as Milo freaking Yannopolous said like the left seem to be strongly insinuating on twitter at the minute.

You're right. They shouldn't be citing Milo freaking Yiannopolous. They should be citing someone in a much stronger position of poer and influence over the kind of people who might do this.
Not that i'm saying this is why this guy shot these people, or that he even has a political motive, but it'd be really unsurprising if it turned out that way.

Earlier this week: https://youtu.be/KzP_L43G5dA?t=21m13s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by barba » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:13 pm

Why dont you wait for the evidence before casting your implied stones?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:28 pm

barba wrote:Why dont you wait for the evidence before casting your implied stones?
I am waiting for evidence. That doesn't mean we can't talk about people who expressed a desire for this.

And the police aren't waiting for evidence of a motive either. The NYPD are prophylactically deploying to other newsrooms across New York because they know that this is the kind of thing the far-right have been talking about doing for a long time, but on a massive scale. The call it "The Night of the Rope". I'm onyl just now reading about it and it's pretty scary.
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by scouseclaret » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:30 pm

What they really need in America is loads more guns, because if there were loads more guns, everybody would be really scared to use them and nobody would get shot.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Walton » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:31 pm

The right wing are being as classy as ever....

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/ ... ing/220569

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:33 pm

Walton wrote:The right wing are being as classy as ever....

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/ ... ing/220569
Far right. I get that it's difficult to distinguish the two nowadays, though.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:51 pm

The shooter's done something to his fingerprints to make it harder to identify him. Apparently. Weird.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by bluelabrador16 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:57 pm

Isn't Gaza and the Occupied Territories concentration camps?

Chutzpah!

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:08 am

Shooter may have had a history with the newspaper, so this could be a workplace shooting, or a problem with their reporting. Which is at least some good news in that it's probably not the start of anything.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:24 am

Jarrod Ramos, 38.

Looking at a twitter page that might be his (probably is but i'm not posting it) and it looks like he is very litigious and really doesn't like journalists.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by claretandy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:33 am

Damo wrote:It's amazing what subjects give people a sense of smugness
He definitely gets a semi on when there's a mass shooting.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:00 am

So can we still blame milo and trump for this?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:43 am

claretandy wrote:He definitely gets a semi on when there's a mass shooting.

Not everyone is like you.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Stayingup » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:04 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:No. When "right wingers" (you mean far-right wingers) respond it's with things like ideas of internment and persecution of innocent people based on their religion. With claims that it will "protect our freedom", when really all it will do is 1) make things worse, and 2) do the opposite of protecting our freedom.
If you seriously mean what you have written there you have a problem. What's your solution then?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:19 am

Maybe not being total ***** to other people?

Got to be worth a go surely?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:42 am

Stayingup wrote:If you seriously mean what you have written there you have a problem. What's your solution then?
Why do i have to have a solution in order to oppose making things worse or throwing away what's left of our freedom?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by thatdberight » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:01 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:(everything IT posts)
You make me laugh.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by claretandy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:41 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Not everyone is like you.
Triggered.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:59 am

I think "triggered" is telling journalists you can't wait to see them killed, or screaming "fake news" unironically, or calling them the "enemy of the people", or calling for a civil war because you hate liberals, journalists, immigrants, Muslims, etc.

In a way I envy your ability to not take it all seriously, but those of us who do can see where its all going and then you'll be taking it much more seriously like our grandparents did in the mid to late thirties.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:13 pm

BBC.... "Multiple fatalities" in a shooting at a video tournament in Jacksonville, Florida.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:26 pm

Computer games... computer games have to be reason for this one.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by DustyBawls » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:29 pm

I just told somebody about this and her response was:

"Have any of the fatalities died?"
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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:49 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:Computer games... computer games have to be reason for this one.
Real guns aren't the problem, fake guns are.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:58 pm

The LA Times are reporting it was a player in the tournament who opened fire after losing.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by conyoviejo » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The LA Times are reporting it was a player in the tournament who opened fire after losing.
Was it a virtual reality game.. .?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Stayingup » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:13 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Its funny really because that is exactly the response that right wingers use when a muslim terrorist attack happens in Europe and you use it with no sense of irony what so ever when the shoe is on the other foot.
That's a ludicrous response. Grow up and get real. How old are you 12?

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:40 am

Thank **** we don't have violent video games here.

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:59 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:The LA Times are reporting it was a player in the tournament who opened fire after losing.
They usually tell me they've slept with my mum when I beat them..

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Re: Another mass shooting in America

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:29 pm

Stayingup wrote:That's a ludicrous response. Grow up and get real. How old are you 12?
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