Brazil vs Mexico

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:28 pm

Expecting a decent passing game today.

Brazil and Belgium to meet in the Quarter-Finals?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:04 pm

Think it will be quite close, but I'll still go for Brazil. (Just)
Though Mexico have been playing well.

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:13 pm

Neymar to roll one in

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:20 pm

Unfortunately missing today's games - think they could be two decent games

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:32 pm

we had a passing game yesterday, anything but decent though - tika-taka at its worst. Certainly hoping for more from Brazil vs Mexico. Unfortunately I've planned meetings at the same time though

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:42 pm

NRC wrote:we had a passing game yesterday, anything but decent though - tika-taka at its worst. Certainly hoping for more from Brazil vs Mexico. Unfortunately I've planned meetings at the same time though

I had a debate with a friend about this yesterday. He was complaining that Spain played tiki-taka and it was best to just lump it up field.

Spain won the World Cup in 2010 by playing a passing game. Germany won it in 2014 by playing a passing-counter attacking game. Portugal tried to play a passing game in 2016 - they won the Euros (allbeit they were extremely lucky). Basically, recent winners at major tournaments have tried to play tiki-taka football.

Most teams don't. For one reason - they can't.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:56 pm

Mexico to go thru

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:56 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I had a debate with a friend about this yesterday. He was complaining that Spain played tiki-taka and it was best to just lump it up field.

Spain won the World Cup in 2010 by playing a passing game. Germany won it in 2014 by playing a passing-counter attacking game. Portugal tried to play a passing game in 2016 - they won the Euros (allbeit they were extremely lucky). Basically, recent winners at major tournaments have tried to play tiki-taka football.

Most teams don't. For one reason - they can't.

No most teams can't but what the absolute best teams have is that magical skill to create chances. Spain created few of those and despite their dominance of the ball paid the price.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:58 pm

They're not easy on the eye those Mexicans...hope they win this one though!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:03 pm

Stayingup wrote:No most teams can't but what the absolute best teams have is that magical skill to create chances. Spain created few of those and despite their dominance of the ball paid the price.

So it's not about the passing, it's about the lack of chances.

You can play long ball and still not create many chances.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:06 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I had a debate with a friend about this yesterday. He was complaining that Spain played tiki-taka and it was best to just lump it up field.

Spain won the World Cup in 2010 by playing a passing game. Germany won it in 2014 by playing a passing-counter attacking game. Portugal tried to play a passing game in 2016 - they won the Euros (allbeit they were extremely lucky). Basically, recent winners at major tournaments have tried to play tiki-taka football.

Most teams don't. For one reason - they can't.

Spain/Germany had the worlds elite at doing it. Spain yesterday had nobody brave enough to get on the ball and look forward. When it’s good it’s very good. When it’s bad it’s very bloody awful.

IMO I think tika taka changed a few years back when Bayern/Dortmund got to the CL final. Bayern ripped Barca a new one in the semis. The german way of fast free flowing football was the way forward. The national team adopted it as the Spanish team adopted the Barca way years earlier.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:07 pm

Great atmosphere these Mexicans generate.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:11 pm

Dyched wrote:Spain/Germany had the worlds elite at doing it. Spain yesterday had nobody brave enough to get on the ball and look forward. When it’s good it’s very good. When it’s bad it’s very bloody awful.

IMO I think tika taka changed a few years back when Bayern/Dortmund got to the CL final. Bayern ripped Barca a new one in the semis. The german way of fast free flowing football was the way forward. The national team adopted it as the Spanish team adopted the Barca way years earlier.

I think when it's bad, it's no worse than a team just hoofing it upfield and the opposing defence gaining back possession. That too can be just as boring.

Basically, what I'm saying is if you have the ability to play a passing 'tika taka' style - you play it. It's how football should be played. Creating chances is what comes after, just as what comes after if you play the ball long and direct. But football is an art and the best players play it because they can.

Pep Guardiola is one of, if not the, best manager ever. And he plays it. He even has his keeper just as much for his passing ability than for his saving ability. But you need footballers who have it both downstairs and upstairs. They have the technical ability but they also think 3-4 moves ahead, like in a game of chess or a game of snooker.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:16 pm

Good game so far. Really liking the way these Mexicans play. Brazil playing like Brazilians!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:19 pm

Brazil looking a bit open at the back. Mexico definitely have a chance of grabbing a goal.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:23 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Brazil looking a bit open at the back.

Yes, very shaky. Up to Mexico to take their chances.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:24 pm

Mexico need to.pull the trigger!

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:24 pm

ITV stats; passes 65, total passes 93.
What’s all that about?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:27 pm

Claret wrote:ITV stats; passes 65, total passes 93.
What’s all that about?

Pass!

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:33 pm

This is excellent stuff. Open, attacking play from both sides and no diving or play acting!

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:39 pm

Sorry, Neymar rolling about a bit there. But he’s paid a lot of money, isn’t he.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:40 pm

Claret wrote:This is excellent stuff. Open, attacking play from both sides and no diving or play acting!

Yes great stuff -
And not much tika taka (aka as tippy tappy in English)

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:56 pm

Bilic talks such a great game...where did it all go wrong?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:10 pm

Lovely move by Willian to set the goal up.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:19 pm

I think William needs to put some studs on his boots. He's always on his aris

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:26 pm

Neymar must be epileptic

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:27 pm

tim_noone wrote:Bilic talks such a great game...where did it all go wrong?

West Ham

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:27 pm

Deary me... Neymar over reacting. Oscar category.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:27 pm

What a fanny.

Soft two hat.

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:29 pm

What’s happened to his Super Noodles?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:31 pm

How a red card was not shown for the clear stamp on the ankle is beyond me.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:32 pm

I’ve not seen lots of Neymar. I know he’s highly rated , each time I see him though, I’m underwhelmed. Seems more intent on moaning and diving.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:33 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:What a fanny.

Soft two hat.

you were right first time....

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:33 pm

tim_noone wrote:Deary me... Neymar over reacting. Oscar category.

So you missed the stamp on the ankle then.

Leyland Claret · Post by **Leyland Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:33 pm

File Neymar in the same category as Pepe and Ramos. Twohats and hope to see him crying like a baby as we did with the other 2.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:34 pm

Why's Steven defour playing for Mexico???

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:34 pm

DCWat wrote:I’ve not seen lots of Neymar. I know he’s highly rated , each time I see him though, I’m underwhelmed. Seems more intent on moaning and diving.

It’s been a fairly good game as far as play acting and diving is concerned, but I have to agree that Neymar seems a right fanny

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:35 pm

Neymar really is a big girls fanny smell isn't he... He can manage the pain of a head to toe tattoo, but someone standing on his ankle and he needs emergency surgery (spray of magic water) to recover (fully) before he can stop crying - weapons grade c#ntishness of the highest order that is ruining the game.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:37 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Neymar really is a big girls fanny smell isn't he... He can manage the pain of a head to toe tattoo, but someone standing on his ankle and he needs emergency surgery (spray of magic water) to recover (fully) before he can stop crying - weapons grade c#ntishness of the highest order that is ruining the game.

I think it would hurt anybody if they stamped on their ankle. Do you agree, it was a red card offence?

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:37 pm

How do we know it didn't really hurt? Maybe he reacted the same when he had his tattoos.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:39 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I think it would hurt anybody if they stamped on their ankle. Do you agree, it was a red card offence?

A no from me.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:40 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I think it would hurt anybody if they stamped on their ankle. Do you agree, it was a red card offence?

I replied on the Neymar thread Frank, it was not a stamp, he stood on his ankle - not stamped - for the record I agree that it was a red card offence, but only because the rules say so, not because it actually hurt the little pussy.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:How do we know it didn't really hurt? Maybe he reacted the same when he had his tattoos.

He’ll have had a general anaesthetic!

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:04 pm

Martin O’Neil summed up Neymar pretty well there. “Absolutely pathetic” and he wondered what Neymar would be like if he had to have a flu jab!

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:07 pm

Clattenburg said should have been a red card for violent conduct. I agree. Neymar could have had someone’s eye out thrashing about on the floor like that

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:12 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:for the record I agree that it was a red card offence

So we actually agree on this. His play acting, I wasn't commenting on, it was more about the Mexican player.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:15 pm

FactualFrank wrote:So we actually agree on this. His play acting, I wasn't commenting on, it was more about the Mexican player.

Frank, please stop taking the sections of my posts that make out I totally agree with you because I don't.

I can do the selective quoting too...

FactualFrank wrote:So we actually agree His play acting was con

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:19 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Frank, please stop taking the sections of my posts that make out I totally agree with you because I don't.
I can do the selective quoting too...

Ok, so let's try and make this easier for you.

Do you (A) agree with my point (and only point) that it was a red card or
(B) do you not think it was a red card?

Quoting parts that you've said makes bolllocks all difference to this.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:33 pm

There was no red card shown. Have you wagered a bet on there being a red card shown Frank? Records will show there was no red card.you seem very angry of late...

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:47 pm

tim_noone wrote:There was no red card shown. Have you wagered a bet on there being a red card shown Frank? Records will show there was no red card.you seem very angry of late...

No sure why somebody has liked it - they're basically saying, never discuss anything regarding football unless it happened. What a boring world that would be.

And you put 'there was no red card shown' - do you not realise that has F all to do with it? Yet somebody likes it!