Same here, no mourning and no attention seeking celebration either. Just another old lady I didn't know passing away.ZizkovClaret wrote:Im a Republican, and live abroad. So meh, tbh. It will be sad, as she'd someones mum, gran etc, but i'll pay her the same respect as anyone else i hardly knew
Lord Beamish wrote:I’ll treat it like the death of Diana Spencer and largely ignore it.
re, George Vsculptureofman wrote:This is a good read on the subject. I'm no royalist but found it fascinating.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... don-bridge
Crikey! "Sorry, your Maj, the printing presses are waiting"It is a v interesting piece.sculptureofman wrote:This is a good read on the subject. I'm no royalist but found it fascinating.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... don-bridge
The terrestrial TV and radio stations, both commercial and publicly owned (BBC and C4) will have normal programming closed down for the whole 10 days. SKY, Virgin Media and BT may well fall foul of this legislation too as they are UK based. Which could leave those who have VPN as the only people who will be able to interact with anything outside the UK!Lord Beamish wrote:I’ll treat it like the death of Diana Spencer and largely ignore it.
Re your last two lines it’s because some people’s personal memory’s are still very raw and can in some circumstances last to ones dying days.houseboy wrote:If they do this and declare holidays then I hope we bloody well get paid. 10 days??? What if you don't want to mourn? What if, other than it being the death of just another human being which is always sad, you just don't really care? The Queen and her family mean nothing to me. Death is always sad for someone but the collective grief over Diana's death was stupid in the extreme, people crying for someone they never knew and never would. Why do people want to live their lives by proxy and get upset when things like this happens? I get far more upset when the Israelis kill Palestinian children.
Very true but by that same token people will need to build a bridge, for the vast majority life will continue as it was before with hardly any change.South West Claret. wrote:Re your last two lines it’s because some people’s personal memory’s are still very raw and can in some circumstances last to ones dying days.
Different peoples “emotions” can and will be triggered by public deaths where as other people are more able to separate the two.
I think you are right bud but I also think it's something other as well. Mass grief is, I think, contagious and people often get caught up in it because it is 'the thing to do'. It's almost as if people see others crying with grief and get caught up in it and the whole thing is like a snowball effect. I often wonder how many of the millions were genuinely upset by Diana's death and how many were just following an acquired behaviour.South West Claret. wrote:Re your last two lines it’s because some people’s personal memory’s are still very raw and can in some circumstances last to ones dying days.
Different peoples “emotions” can and will be triggered by public deaths where as other people are more able to separate the two.
I can believe in a doctor who would overdoes a patient to ease him to death, though I know of others who wouldn't.LoveCurryPies wrote:re, George V
Dawson injected the king with 750mg of morphine and a gram of cocaine – enough to kill him twice over – in order to ease the monarch’s suffering, and to have him expire in time for the printing presses of the Times, which rolled at midnight.
joey13 wrote:2018 and there’s still a monarchy, amazing.
Point taken yes HB also the “unconscious” and “conscious” emotions taking over at that time.houseboy wrote:I think you are right bud but I also think it's something other as well. Mass grief is, I think, contagious and people often get caught up in it because it is 'the thing to do'. It's almost as if people see others crying with grief and get caught up in it and the whole thing is like a snowball effect. I often wonder how many of the millions were genuinely upset by Diana's death and how many were just following an acquired behaviour.
Maybe we'll never know but the contrast with the Queen's death will be interesting psychologically. Diana was young and had a full life ahead of her but the Queen is old and her death should come as no shock or surprise, which makes me wonder if she will actually be mourned as heavily.
I will watch that side of it with interest.
You've just got to hope that she doesn't cark it during the CO2 crisis otherwise you're going to have to drink naturally carbonated drinks like champagne.timshorts wrote:Anyhow, how many days off do we get with mourning bank holidays? That's the key issue here, I think. And if she dies in a miserable month, could she have an "official death day" so that we can celebrate it in the sunshine?
I have some interesting conversations at home, my wife holds a degree in psychology and works with people with learning difficulties. She knows quite a bit about acquired behaviour and psychological triggers. As you say, fascinating.South West Claret. wrote:Point taken yes HB also the “unconscious” and “conscious” emotions taking over at that time.
Neuroscience is a fascinating subject.
You are so right I even wonder if you know how right you are, what a golden opportunity for pushing some highly dubious measures through parliament, not to mention maybe some worrying economic figures. It would be God's gift to government.Bacchus wrote:Imagine the sheer volume of bad news this government would try to bury in the subsequent few days if the Queen dies on their watch. We'd be living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland before the weekend, surviving only on bottled crocodile tears and the hope that the commemorative tea towel industry can support us all until St Jeremy rides in on his unicorn to save the day.
Parliament won''t be sitting.houseboy wrote:You are so right I even wonder if you know how right you are, what a golden opportunity for pushing some highly dubious measures through parliament, not to mention maybe some worrying economic figures. It would be God's gift to government.
I realise this but the whole thing will go on long after parliament returns. I can see the media, encouraged by government, dragging this out for months. The media love bad news, they thrive on it, and government love anything, good or bad, that makes things 'disappear', the same will happen if England were to win the World Cup. Governments all over the world, ours included, love the art of deflection.dsr wrote:Parliament won''t be sitting.
tiger76 wrote:I applaud her madge for a long and sometimes glorious reign,but 10 days of national mourning really!.
Comparisons to Diane are irrelevant Diane was "killed" at a young age 37 and left two young boys motherless,OK i know they have luxuries most of us can only imagine,but to lose a parent in such circumstances must leave a mental scar whoever you are.
Personally i didn't join in the media circus for the people's princess,i can't even recall if i watched the funeral coverage,i may have seen snippets of news bulletins.
Sure it will be a sad moment when the Queen pop her clogs but she has had a good innings,and leaves the Royal Family in rude health.
A much more interesting scenario will involve whether Charlie boy becomes King and how the public react to him and Camilla,he will have to tread carefully in the early months,like Phil the Greek though tact has never been his strong point.
If i was taking bets i'd wager Liz will outlast the current Prime Minister anyway.
I think that you need to do some proper research on this. It's not just rumour and speculation. The full truth was revealed in 1986, (i.e. 50 years after his death), and was widely publicised.dsr wrote:I can believe in a doctor who would overdoes a patient to ease him to death, though I know of others who wouldn't.
But I don't believe in a doctor who would time the injection to the newpaper schedules; I don't believe in a doctor who would know or care enough about newspaper schedules to do that anyway; I don't believe in a conspiracy where any palace or newspaper official would approach a doctor to suggest he do that. And I don't believe in a doctor who would be fool enough to say so.
In any case, newspapers of the day were perfectly capable of running and distributing special editions.
Something I do believe in, is the ability of people (including journalists) to hear an urban myth on the internet and decide that that's a fun tale, let's run with it, no need to check whether it is true, all the people are dead so there's no law of libel. So unless anyone has any viable evidence of the truth, then I don't believe it.
And to quote from Dawson's diary for January 20, 1936, (which was never published, so he had no need to exaggerate or sensationalise):As he lay comatose on his deathbed in 1936, King George V was injected with fatal doses of morphine and cocaine to assure him a painless death in time, according to his physician's notes, for the announcement to be carried ''in the morning papers rather than the less appropriate evening journals.''
The fact that the death of a reigning monarch had been medically hastened remained a secret for half a century until the publication today of the notes made at the time by Lord Dawson, the royal physician who recorded that he administered the two injections at about 11 o'clock on the night of Jan. 20, 1936. That was scarcely an hour and a half after Lord Dawson had written a classically brief medical bulletin that declared, ''The King's life is moving peacefully toward its close.''
That ''close'' came in less than an hour after the injections. Lord Dawson, according to his notes, had already taken the precaution of phoning his wife in London to ask that she ''advise The Times to hold back publication.''
“At about 11 o’clock it was evident that the last stage might endure for many hours, unknown to the patient but little comporting with the dignity and serenity which he so richly merited and which demanded a brief final scene. Hours of waiting just for the mechanical end when all that is really life has departed only exhausts the onlookers and keeps them so strained that they cannot avail themselves of the solace of thought, communion or prayer. I therefore decided to determine the end and injected (myself) morphia gr. 3/4 and shortly afterwards cocaine gr. 1 into the distended jugular vein.”
Pretty much what I said. The king was killed by a lethal injection from his doctor - I was always willing to believe that - but it wasn't done to fit in with newspaper schedules.nil_desperandum wrote:I think that you need to do some proper research on this. It's not just rumour and speculation. The full truth was revealed in 1986, (i.e. 50 years after his death), and was widely publicised.
There are lots of sources for this, but here's the New York times report
The New York Times Archives
And to quote from Dawson's diary for January 20, 1936, (which was never published, so he had no need to exaggerate or sensationalise):
No they sing God save the King instead.Spijed wrote:What happens if the Queen dies on the day of the World Cup final, one which England are competing in?
Do the England team fly home, awarding the game to the opposition? Imagine that.
As I said in my previous post there's a lot of evidence suggesting that it was - and not just the word of those who were present.dsr wrote:Pretty much what I said. The king was killed by a lethal injection from his doctor - I was always willing to believe that - but it wasn't done to fit in with newspaper schedules.