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Would he get a look-in if he played for us?
I thought he was shockingly bad when he came on.
Luckily, Ospina managed to let his penalty in too.
I thought he was shockingly bad when he came on.
Luckily, Ospina managed to let his penalty in too.
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His surname is a typo.
He was just part of a very poor performance over the last 60 minutes of that game. Colombia had nothing going forward; the only way they would get back in was if England went so defensive that Colombia almost unintentionally played further forward because England weren't trying to get a second. That way lay self-inflicted wounds for England; either directly (the Walker mis-hit) or indirectly through taking on pressure. Bizarrely, England tried to help. England also aren't as good as they need to be to play how they're trying to. It's the right way to try and well done Southgate for pursuing it but the quality of passing and control (what the **** is Lingard made out of? Flubber?) just leaves them susceptible.
He was just part of a very poor performance over the last 60 minutes of that game. Colombia had nothing going forward; the only way they would get back in was if England went so defensive that Colombia almost unintentionally played further forward because England weren't trying to get a second. That way lay self-inflicted wounds for England; either directly (the Walker mis-hit) or indirectly through taking on pressure. Bizarrely, England tried to help. England also aren't as good as they need to be to play how they're trying to. It's the right way to try and well done Southgate for pursuing it but the quality of passing and control (what the **** is Lingard made out of? Flubber?) just leaves them susceptible.
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Dier does not seem to get to the pace of the game, she he comes on.
Pens...steer clear.
Pens...steer clear.
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Dier and Henderson...both what I call the “sideways and backwards twins”.
Both rather inflexible more like a couple of centre halves playing in midfield.
Both rather inflexible more like a couple of centre halves playing in midfield.
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Henderson has been one of our best players this tournament - you've just got a prejudice against him.South West Claret. wrote:Dier and Henderson...both what I call the “sideways and backwards twins”.
Both rather inflexible more like a couple of centre halves playing in midfield.
Klopp has massively improved him - he was ******* superb tonight and ran his ******** off.
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Alli has been the biggest disappointment for me. He seems to have lost the forward aspect to his game since three quarters of the way through last season.
We really made hard work of that but hopefully a good learning for the team.
We are never going to win this tournament but if we can build for future ones, by getting to the semis and perhaps the final, it’ll be a big step forward.
We really made hard work of that but hopefully a good learning for the team.
We are never going to win this tournament but if we can build for future ones, by getting to the semis and perhaps the final, it’ll be a big step forward.
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Dier is just a rolls Royce version of David Jones... aka utter shite.
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CoolClaret wrote:Henderson has been one of our best players this tournament - you've just got a prejudice against him.
Klopp has massively improved him - he was ******* superb tonight and ran his ******** off.
I don’t do prejudice but as I say I don’t rate him or Dier in midfield roles for England.
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Henderson is somebody you can only appreciate if you watch football closely. If he wasn't playing, you'd know he was missing. He does the ugly stuff.CoolClaret wrote:Henderson has been one of our best players this tournament - you've just got a prejudice against him.
Klopp has massively improved him - he was ******* superb tonight and ran his ******** off.
CoolClaret is absolutely spot on.
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.......I thought that Raheem Sterling lacked football intelligence but Right Winger is clearly on a different level. The need to have a pop at David Jones, a key part of the team that got us to where we are now, is staggering.Right_winger wrote:Dier is just a rolls Royce version of David Jones... aka utter shite.
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If you can’t appreciate Henderson tonight you simply do not understand football and the team aspect of it.
Penalty aside he was fantastic.
Dier on the other hand was awful and it’s notable that we improved again when he moved back to centre half.
Penalty aside he was fantastic.
Dier on the other hand was awful and it’s notable that we improved again when he moved back to centre half.
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To add, I wish we’d had an Henderson to sit with Lampard or Gerrard! Owen Hargreaves was as close as we got.
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Against us the other season he changed the game for Spurs in the second half, when he went in as a holding midfielder and Spurs went to a back four.
Although he's not for me for England.
Although he's not for me for England.
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I don't wish to critisise any of the players. They are all in it together, a part of the team.
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Eric Dier was
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Same against Belgium, in the middle of the pitch he's terrible, positionally and tactically poor. He ruined the flow and shape when he came on last night. Southgates biggest flaw is playing him, he's fine as a CB but in CM or DM he just isn't good enough. Lucky his pen went in as he scuffed it, but fair play for having the balls to stand up and take one. Surprised Vardy didn't go in the five.
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Against Belgium we played basically our second string and many of them were found wanting. Dier is in that category. He was brought on last night to shore things up and see out the win, but actually quite the opposite happened and we allowed an inferior side who had caused us no trouble up to then to get into the game. It was sickening when they equalised, but no surprise tbh. Ironically I thought the same about Vardy. I'm not sure he even touched the ball, but at least he then couldn't keep giving it away! Dier also got very lucky with his penalty as Aspina seemed determined NOT to save it.
On another note, our first XI are pretty good (barring Sterling who is useless!) and deserved to win, especially as the Latinos reverted to type and became a 70's throw back with their wind up/dirty antics! It would have been wrong had they won.
On another note, our first XI are pretty good (barring Sterling who is useless!) and deserved to win, especially as the Latinos reverted to type and became a 70's throw back with their wind up/dirty antics! It would have been wrong had they won.
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Including last night that's 22 wins and 7 draws in Henderson's last 29 England games. It's the longest unbeaten run of any England player in history. Like him or loath him he's absolutely crucial to what we do.FactualFrank wrote:Henderson is somebody you can only appreciate if you watch football closely. If he wasn't playing, you'd know he was missing. He does the ugly stuff.
CoolClaret is absolutely spot on.
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Henderson, Dier and Alli all play a different roll for England than they do for their clubs so cut them some slack guys.
Henderson has been excellent for me, Alli less so as he has spent a lot of time wide left, Dier is a disappointment at international level but youth is on his side and he had a very in and out season at Spurs.
Henderson has been excellent for me, Alli less so as he has spent a lot of time wide left, Dier is a disappointment at international level but youth is on his side and he had a very in and out season at Spurs.
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Henderson, Kane, Trippier & Stones have been very very good so far this World Cup. Belgium game with Henderson instead of Dier and we wouldn't have been beaten IMO.
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One thing Dier said post match is that Pope was instrumental in the team's penalty preparations - he has been the keeper to beat in training and Dier said that Pope helped him take a better penalty.
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There are a lot of tactics that the average fan just can't clearly see. To a manager they are invaluable but to most, they are awful as they can't see the true picture of a player's part in the game.
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Is it a bit like Jeff Hendrick?Moorite wrote:There are a lot of tactics that the average fan just can't clearly see. To a manager they are invaluable but to most, they are awful as they can't see the true picture of a player's part in the game.
The fans don't see what the manager sees?
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Good job Southgate made the right decision for that game then.Dom wrote: Belgium game with Henderson instead of Dier and we wouldn't have been beaten IMO.
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i don't think dier was poor, its more that two holding midfielders doesn't work for us. it meant kane was dropping far too deep.
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Not that much better! It was saveable.Rick_Muller wrote:One thing Dier said post match is that Pope was instrumental in the team's penalty preparations - he has been the keeper to beat in training and Dier said that Pope helped him take a better penalty.
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It went in, that's what will be rememberedIanMcL wrote:Not that much better! It was saveable.
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In answer to the OP, yes he would get a look in.
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I don't care who has the armband, Henderson is captain of that team.
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Of course. He will certainly always relive the memory.Rick_Muller wrote:It went in, that's what will be remembered
Good luck to him.
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He would walk into Burnley's starting 11. Easily.
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For Dier’s penalty, their ‘Keeper seemed to show him a lot of the left hand side of the goal, tempting him to put it there. Dier duly did so, but with enough power and accuracy to negate the ‘Keeper’s fingertip touch. A better ‘Keeper May have saved it, but he wasn’t between the sticks last night.
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This. He put us through to the Quarter-Finals of the World Cup.Rick_Muller wrote:It went in, that's what will be remembered
I hope if we go to another shoot out he takes another one!
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Caernarfon_Claret wrote:Is it a bit like Jeff Hendrick?
The fans don't see what the manager sees?
Those Clarets fans who understand football see.
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Vardy had picked up a knock...he was due to take one ,instead Dier took his place.
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I'll restate it - The Claret's fans who expect a conventional number 10 don't see what the manager sees in Hendrick, those who are more open minded are likely to understand what he does for the team.evensteadiereddie wrote:Those Clarets fans who understand football see.
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I thought he was awful when he came on. I'd love to know what his accuracy statistics were.
I'm not aware of many footballers at the top level who passed the ball as badly as he did when he came on. That includes having watched Theo Wallclock and Raheem Sterling in recent years.
Regarding not knowing what he was told to do, was it to give the opposition the ball and let them run at us? If so, it was a remarkable performance.
Would he really walk in to our starting 11? Instead of whom?
I'm not aware of many footballers at the top level who passed the ball as badly as he did when he came on. That includes having watched Theo Wallclock and Raheem Sterling in recent years.
Regarding not knowing what he was told to do, was it to give the opposition the ball and let them run at us? If so, it was a remarkable performance.
Would he really walk in to our starting 11? Instead of whom?
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Utter rubbish. It’s a good way of spinning below par performances though because you don’t like people who criticise.Caernarfon_Claret wrote:I'll restate it - The Claret's fans who expect a conventional number 10 don't see what the manager sees in Hendrick, those who are more open minded are likely to understand what he does for the team.
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Right_winger wrote:Utter rubbish. It’s a good way of spinning below par performances though because you don’t like people who criticise.
I made a statement that I neither agree or disagree with.
I've not seen enough of Hendrick to be able to form an opinion.
As for criticism that's fine but I prefer constructive criticism where someone at least tries to offer an alternative rather than criticism that's sole purpose seems to be to undermine or ridicule.
I was simply responding to another poster responding to my original post - The Original post compared Hendrick to Dier in the sense that The Manager see's something that fans don't (otherwise they wouldn't play them in the match - whereas the fans see the rubbish performance) - in my response to the response I described two sets of supporter, I didn't say either was wrong in their view (saying one set was open minded was not an endorsement - as open minded people can be seen as both virtuous and naive).
I am allowed to make a comment without having an opinion. I would appreciate it if people didn't apply to me opinions or motives I don't have.
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Anyway, back to Dier. He came on, we immediately became rubbish and eventually they scored. Then he showed real bottle, took the poison chalice from the "injured" Vardy and scored the penalty which put us through. BUT, if he takes another at any stage it desperately needs to be a miles better one, because my 85 year old mum has stronger wrists than Aspina and she would have been disappointed at letting that one in.
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Dier lived up to his anagram namesake.. He wouldn't get in our current squad.. Just my opinion..
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Never mind Dyer, how can Rose not be in ahead of, Ive only got one leg Young!
Pure joke, SOuthgate has got very very lucky, the better teams will show us up for what we are....
Average at best!
Pure joke, SOuthgate has got very very lucky, the better teams will show us up for what we are....
Average at best!
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Are there any better teams left? They've been knocked out.Claretstoke wrote:Never mind Dyer, how can Rose not be in ahead of, Ive only got one leg Young!
Pure joke, SOuthgate has got very very lucky, the better teams will show us up for what we are....
Average at best!
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FF - Your posts are usually quite on the ball, I’m sure Croatia will beat us should we get past Sweden - then, any of the other four teams will out play or out think us.
I have a gut feeling we will beat Sweden on a penalty shoot out, but then that’s all..
I have a gut feeling we will beat Sweden on a penalty shoot out, but then that’s all..
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Ospina got a good hand on the ball,on reflection he'll be disappointed,similar to Pickford against Tunisia in the modern game if you guess right and get a touch on the ball you'd hope to save it.Thankfully for England the small margins want our way for once.Dark Cloud wrote:Anyway, back to Dier. He came on, we immediately became rubbish and eventually they scored. Then he showed real bottle, took the poison chalice from the "injured" Vardy and scored the penalty which put us through. BUT, if he takes another at any stage it desperately needs to be a miles better one, because my 85 year old mum has stronger wrists than Aspina and she would have been disappointed at letting that one in.
If heaven forbid we reach a another shoot-out in this competition Kane,Rashford and Trippier will be first names on the list,after that Henderson and Dier may not fancy it again.But touch wood we have a strategy in the penalty lottery,it's not just a policy made on the hoof,as is usually the case,planning was key to Tuesday's success.Kudos to Gareth and his team for maximising England's chances of victory through research and diligence.
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Dier does not seem to suit coming on late. Was not at the pace of the game and made errors, when he was employed to seal it all up.
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Awful player especially in a system where a ball player is needed. Would work next to Defour here because Dyche would use him purely as a destroyer - only thing he’s good at.